Kyiv

[Stevie69]

I've played our game all over the globe and Ukraine is the only place I did get sort of scammed so be cautious they are both more desperate for cash than most places and more cunning to acquire it. I met a girl on Seeking Arrangement that had model-like drop dead gorgeous pics. So we connected on Whatsapp and she agreed to send more pics to prove real. We negotiated at length our "arrangement". It was difficult because she lived several hours outside of Kiev where I was. After teaching her how to use whatsapp "live location" to verify she did in fact live hours away from Kiev we agreed I pay her $100 to make the trip and have dinner with me. As an aside the Last Barricade Restaurant is a must visit if you enjoy great theme restaurants. This theme being Ukraine's freedom from Russia's control. Request the tour. Great ambiance and excellent food too at very reasonable prices. We had an awesome date so to speak. The deal was that if all went well I would pay $100 more for her to stay overnight with me and bus home in the morning. After dinner I slipped her the $100 as agreed fully expecting she would stay. But she told me she never does that on the first meeting. Oh well! I'm still glad I had met her but was surprised she was willing to spend about 8 hours on a bus roundtrip (I could follow her on whatsapp) for $100. Actually I was shocked any hot girl would spend that much time on a bus for $100. But I guess that's the state of affairs in Ukraine.

Was she really where she said? Would a VPN be able to fool Whatapp? Never underestimate the IT capabilities of these girls. You should have offered to pay her ONLY her bus ticket, upon proof o f payment. , both ways, of course. If you hit it off during dinner, then you could have offered a little more.

[Lucky Nuts]

Correct, Moscow is 1000 times better

I've been on the fence about visiting St. Pete and Moscow for some time now but think I'll go ahead and apply for the visa and do it on my next trip to that region. But I will also be visiting Kiev again so guess I like it more than some others here. Once you find the private apartments with university girls that speak fluent english it's all good. Paid $100 worth of UAH and insisted they come back to my place which took some convincing but was eventually agreed upon. The hard part is finding those "secret" apartments.

[Lucky Nuts]

I would like to hear your opinion about my case and if others have similar experience, I am curious. You can PM if you like. Gunther.

I've played our game all over the globe and Ukraine is the only place I did get sort of scammed so be cautious they are both more desperate for cash than most places and more cunning to acquire it. I met a girl on Seeking Arrangement that had model-like drop dead gorgeous pics. So we connected on Whatsapp and she agreed to send more pics to prove real. We negotiated at length our "arrangement". It was difficult because she lived several hours outside of Kiev where I was. After teaching her how to use whatsapp "live location" to verify she did in fact live hours away from Kiev we agreed I pay her $100 to make the trip and have dinner with me. As an aside the Last Barricade Restaurant is a must visit if you enjoy great theme restaurants. This theme being Ukraine's freedom from Russia's control. Request the tour. Great ambiance and excellent food too at very reasonable prices. We had an awesome date so to speak. The deal was that if all went well I would pay $100 more for her to stay overnight with me and bus home in the morning. After dinner I slipped her the $100 as agreed fully expecting she would stay. But she told me she never does that on the first meeting. Oh well! I'm still glad I had met her but was surprised she was willing to spend about 8 hours on a bus roundtrip (I could follow her on whatsapp) for $100. Actually I was shocked any hot girl would spend that much time on a bus for $100. But I guess that's the state of affairs in Ukraine.

[DramaFree11]

He is going to say Russia / Moscow or possibly anywhere in the world besides Ukraine. While I also prefer Russia over Ukraine, DramaFree has some hair up his ass against Ukraine.

Correct, Moscow is 1000 times better then Ukraine and yes, the only place that Kiev maybe better then is Rio and parts of Asia. Kiev is the bottom of the barrel. Moscow is not expensive, maybe even cheaper then Ukraine at the moment. Girls so much better in Moscow. Also, you have options that you do not have in Kiev. Online traditional dating, Escorts, and active Night Life. (Pre-Crisis).

Also, you are correct, the Visa is one of the best things about Russia, it keeps out the losers that ruined Ukraine and other destinations. If you want to get scammed Ukraine is the place to go.

[YummyPL]

YummyPL,

Thanks for the feedback. I've never been to Russia, mainly due to the visa requirements. Is it worth it? Are there other places close by that have similar quality without the visa requirements? I've had decent experience in other places, but I'm looking to expand my horizon as I commonly have a few days to spare whenever I'm in Europe.

The main reason Russia is better is exactly because of the visa requirements. It is more difficult to travel there for just sex tourism and it is more difficult for Russian girls to go to Europe to work. Czech Republic is not a bad place. I'm sure you know Germany is filled with FKKs. Poland is really mixed in my experience with some really great ones and some really bad ones. But my experience is four years old. I'm only back in this thread because my work is moving me to Kiev for a year or more so I'm trying to get back in the game. I still expect good things from Ukraine.

[LshRoomer]

He is going to say Russia / Moscow or possibly anywhere in the world besides Ukraine. While I also prefer Russia over Ukraine, DramaFree has some hair up his ass against Ukraine.

YummyPL,

Thanks for the feedback. I've never been to Russia, mainly due to the visa requirements. Is it worth it? Are there other places close by that have similar quality without the visa requirements? I've had decent experience in other places, but I'm looking to expand my horizon as I commonly have a few days to spare whenever I'm in Europe.

[YummyPL]

From what I've read, Ukraine seems pretty cheap. Where are these cheaper / better places that you mentioned sir? Where would you direct someone instead of Kiev?

He is going to say Russia / Moscow or possibly anywhere in the world besides Ukraine. While I also prefer Russia over Ukraine, DramaFree has some hair up his ass against Ukraine.

[LshRoomer]

This is the final nail in the Coffin, Kiev is done. Time for you guys to move on. There are many destinations that are cheaper and better.

Hey DramaFree,

I'm of the same opinion. I had a trip planned to Kiev and L'viv which has been cancelled due to the unpleasantness. When the world opens again, I'm looking for find a new quality place for our hobby (I'm usually in Prague or London).

From what I've read, Ukraine seems pretty cheap. Where are these cheaper / better places that you mentioned sir? Where would you direct someone instead of Kiev?

PM me if you don't want to bore the thread with details.

Safe mongering!

[YummyPL]

The Prime Minister of Ukraine Denis Shmygal predicts the resumption of flights, including international, in June.

"International flights, including international ones, will probably resume in the month of June. But you need to resume communication with those where to fly. You need to understand which countries will also resume flights," Shmygal told ICTV on Monday night.

The prime minister noted that the nearest date when European countries announced the possibility of opening air service is not earlier than June 15.

In addition, the prime minister noted that long-distance ground transportation will be open from the third stage of quarantine exit.

https://interfax.com.ua/news/general/663016.html

[YummyPL]

But I'm under no illusions that she loves me like she might love younger men. At most she enjoys her time together with me and respects me.

Love is a fickle thing.

My experiences in Russia were the most surreal of my life. I had a girlfriend 25 years younger than me that I was not paying directly (I did take her on a trip and several dinners) have me take her virginity after I told her I loved her (I didn't really and I was seeing others). She hadn't told me she was a virgin beforehand but there was no doubt that she was. She thought I was going to marry her. Psycho as they come.

Another girl I was seeing for over two years (broke off 4 years ago) that I actually did fall in love with. We traveled a lot together but I never compensated her directly. She said she loved me and I believed she was faithful to me. She ended up breaking up with me because she wanted to have a kid and I wasn't going to do that with her. She gave birth to her son a couple of months ago. I have no idea who the father is and I have not asked. Turns out, she named him after me. Her sister told me she was going to and she announced the name of her son on her Facebook account. It is certainly an unusual name for a Russian. I guess it is possible the father has the same name but I doubt it.

Monogamy is possible. But I saw it in only two girls out of well over a hundred that I have dated and / or paid. Not a very high percentage. Maybe it is even less common in Ukraine.

[Gargano19]

I would like to hear your opinion about my case and if others have similar experience, I am curious. You can PM if you like. Gunther.

Your case is pretty common and has happened with many of us, myself included. You send money and hope she won't be accepting money from others, then that illusion breaks. And you feel cheated. Been there. I think trick is expectations. If I am sending money to a SW, I expect her to be meeting other men and accepting money anyway. Best way to avoid this tho, don't send money if you're not going to be there anytime soon. I have spent very little time in Kiev, but I saw it has enough girls for foreigners to have a good time. You don't need one to hold onto.

[Kozerog]

I would like to hear your opinion about my case and if others have similar experience, I am curious. You can PM if you like. Gunther.

If you've only known a girl briefly, I suggest giving her a bonus right before you leave, and hint that she can expect similar bonuses if she continues seeing you in the future. In my opinion, that's a better way to lock down a girl than sending money. I gave my girl a substantial bonus at end of last 3 summers together ($200 in 2017 after 9 meetings of 4 hours each, $1000 in 2018 after 22 more meetings, $2000 in 2019 after another 25 meetings). Notice that initial bonus was small, then I increased as she demonstrated reliability. My bonus amounts are much larger than your 50 euro weekly, so clearly I can't criticize your amount. But something about sending money just feels wrong to me, and I would never do it myself.

I also suggest you forget about monogamy unless you marry a girl, and even then you can't expect it if the girl is much younger. Forget love as well. My girl always makes me feel good, more so than other working girls and way more so than civilians, which why I pay her that big bonus to lock her down. But I'm under no illusions that she loves me like she might love younger men. At most she enjoys her time together with me and respects me.

[Hestendk]

No. You are wrong. There was no hospital accommodation. A hotel room was offered to returnees from Asia. Of course not free of charge. For example in the Hotel Kozatskiy and Pushcha Congress Hotel. There aren't that many hospitals in Kiev. Thousands of foreigners could not stay in the few private hospitals. The price (14 nights without food) was UAH 10.478 (400 dollars).

https://www.unian.ua/society/1093770...evi-video.html

https://tsn.ua/ukrayina/ukrayinka-pi...m-1518141.html

Only the first returnees from China went to a sanatorium. Several cities refused to allow the plane to land. The returnees were thrown at stones and threatened with death. Cars were set on fire. Do you want to be welcomed like this in Ukraine? Better not book one of the first Kiev flights when the country is open again.

The articles are form long time ago, that's not how its handled now.

Now you install the APP and can go home and isolate there, if you have no place to stay there will be options for you to be isolated in free or rented.

I Just got info from one Girl that landed yesterday that her isolation at home is 8 days (the app tell it).

The sanatorium is still not a gulag as you wrote.

Maybe you should go to Siberia and see what a Gulag is?

The people that was demonstrating at the sanatorium was believed to be paid by someone, a lot of them was not from the city where the sanatorium was located also.

One Ministers Email was also hacked up to this, and there was send out an email saying most of the people in the buses had Covid19 (which was fake).

This Is Ukraine there is a lot of political things going on, some domestic and some is done from outside (Russia).

I'm Mostly living in Ukraine, I landed after the borders was closed for Turist's and there was no hostility against me or any others from that plane.

In the towns I been visiting the last couple of months I only meet nice people and everyone joke with that I'm Stuck here.

(Most people still shake hands when you meet and so on).

[Misterxxx]

The first Place where people was isolated was an Sanatorium, its like a health spa (Russian style) it was not to be compared with a Gulag.

Yes it was worn down but thing where working there, people normally pay for go there BTW.

I not think they use the hotel for the isolation, because the law clearly say it have to be a hospital.

There are many hospitals (private) in the bigger cities who can do a Covid19 Test if needed.

No. You are wrong. There was no hospital accommodation. A hotel room was offered to returnees from Asia. Of course not free of charge. For example in the Hotel Kozatskiy and Pushcha Congress Hotel. There aren't that many hospitals in Kiev. Thousands of foreigners could not stay in the few private hospitals. The price (14 nights without food) was UAH 10.478 (400 dollars).

https://www.unian.ua/society/1093770...evi-video.html

https://tsn.ua/ukrayina/ukrayinka-pi...m-1518141.html

Only the first returnees from China went to a sanatorium. Several cities refused to allow the plane to land. The returnees were thrown at stones and threatened with death. Cars were set on fire. Do you want to be welcomed like this in Ukraine? Better not book one of the first Kiev flights when the country is open again.

https://youtu.be/Bt_wB_1ZPuY

The sanatorium:

https://maximum.fm/novi-sanzhari-fot...kitayu_n174036

[AntonySun1996]

Ukraine is not Italy, Spain or Turkey. The Ukrainian economy is not dependent on tourism (from abroad). If you believe the opposite: it's just an illusion.

I am not sure if this is true.

The income from sex tourism is not accounted for in the official statistics as it is illegal, but many girls rely on it.

Foreigners normally don't come to Ukraine just to visit the beaches and ancient buildings, as they do in Italy. Many of them meet hookers.

An average sex tourist spends more than an ordinary tourist, as mongering normally costs more than legit entertainments. Lets say meeting a hooker will cost you $100 per hour. Visiting a museum or a beach will cost you way less.

Also, this sort of income is not taxed. It goes directly to the girls' hands (or in some cases, to brothel managers' hands).

Ukraine actually has a lot of economic advantages in the fields other than tourism. It has large land extremely suitable for agriculture and a moderate climate, which make it a major exporter of agri products. It also has a massive amount of industrial leftovers from the Soviet era. It is selling its huge cargo planes and Soviet military technologies to other countries. But people are still poor because of the corruption and inefficiency of their government.