German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Clodius1]

Suggestions from the union to the German government to start the brothels again. Interesting.

Who is ready to share their mobile numbers with a prostitute to keep it in the record?

- Girl and suitor must wear face masks. Means: no oral sex, no "oral services".

- Hugs are prohibited, handshakes too.

- No group sex! The letter literally states: "There are never more than two people involved in the. Service at the same time."

- "All contact surfaces" such as beds, couches, chairs must be disinfected.

- The prostitutes should keep the contact details of their customers for four weeks.

https://www.bild.de/regional/hamburg...7010.bild.html

Here is a link to future FKK safe sex -.

https://youtu.be/BT0OPl4pTBc

[Sirioja]

The saunaclub in Prague seems to open now on 25th may!

But not anymore worthing the trip for brothels, only for interesting Praha.

[Mongerer88]

I forget the source, but according to sex workers and sex worker advocates in Sweden there been reports of girls getting kicked of apartments by landowners in Sweden because they were suspected of working. I also read that working girls lose rights to children, jailed, or even kicked out of the country if they are foreign. Despite the Swedish model being supposedly beneficial to working girls they can't form advocacy groups.

Of course, there are plenty of terrible things that happen in criminalized and half-criminalized systems.

Most sex workers have a firm policy of never seeing anyone in their actual living premises for just the reason you list. There are of course exceptions; I used to see one escort at her place and she was simply matter-of-fact about it and said she irritated the commissary at her big apartment complex since she always bought all the condoms as soon as they stocked them. But she was also planning to move in a few months.

But this is a pick-your-poison activity. Sex workers and Johns in a criminalized or half-criminalized system are constantly getting hotel rooms or using such small dedicated trick-pads that it makes the overhead costs very high and presumably makes the session prices higher. But the system can function without the licensing and approval of the government, which obviously is difficult to obtain during a pandemic. I simply don't trust a government anywhere to ever be a friend to this industry. Maybe Germany will continue to be the exception.

And yes, most governments with criminalized and half-criminalized systems are hostile to foreign sex workers. But part of that is the protection of the local sex workers, who never seem to object. There are plenty of sex worker advocacy groups in the USA And it is amusing how they never seem to make any noise when Asian massage parlors get raided. Not sure about sex worker advocacy in Sweden, I have always found it a hypocritical country.

This is a not half-bad article that appeared today about covid-19 and USA Sex work.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/us/se...ntl/index.html

[ExpatLover]

I forget the source, but according to sex workers and sex worker advocates in Sweden there been reports of girls getting kicked of apartments by landowners in Sweden because they were suspected of working. I also read that working girls lose rights to children, jailed, or even kicked out of the country if they are foreign. Despite the Swedish model being supposedly beneficial to working girls they can't form advocacy groups.

Reply:

I wish you will never have to live in a apartment close to one where an escort or several escorts are working. 3 years back I booked a room in the newly opened b&b Heidelberg. In the lift I saw a girl and I immediately smelled the prostitute, her room was just next to mine, I spent a terrible night and next morning complained to the reception where I was told that many customers have done the same. Mixing normal apartments or hotel rooms with working places for prostitutes is just not possible.

[NeoWorld]

It depends how you define the law as "working".

The purpose of full illegality like in the United States (including the recent Fosta / Sesta law), and the "half-legal" laws under the Nordic System (including, bizarrely, Canada) is to keep the scene out of the public eye, discriminate against immigrants wanting to enter the trade, and keep lawmakers and politicians from having to address issues (such as whether kissing and oral sex can be performed if covid-19 cases exceed a specified percentage), that make them uncomfortable and generate political "sound bytes" that can be used in campaign ads by opponents.

Glad you are posting, I always like your posts in Spain thread it helped me a lot. Keep posting dude, regards.

[Sirioja]

I have always used escorts, I have paid from US $300 to $500. Yesterday I had a black escort who is better looking than any black girl I have seen at FKKs, she had a great body (except for breasts), 1.78 m and an amazing booty, the sex was amazing, one of my all time bests. However, I would give that up in a flash for an equivalent time in an FKK. The FKKs with ambiance, food, drinks and so many lovely naked Eastern European beauties have spoilt me.

I'm not at all into, I love milky skin, but I remember a real black model at Sharks with round face and short hair and ultra bright smile, a real black beauty, I think it was on 2018. She smiled to me each time she returned to lockers.

[Kamsutra69]

Suggestions from the union to the German government to start the brothels again. Interesting.

Who is ready to share their mobile numbers with a prostitute to keep it in the record?

- Girl and suitor must wear face masks. Means: no oral sex, no "oral services".

- Hugs are prohibited, handshakes too.

- No group sex! The letter literally states: "There are never more than two people involved in the. Service at the same time."

- "All contact surfaces" such as beds, couches, chairs must be disinfected.

- The prostitutes should keep the contact details of their customers for four weeks.

https://www.bild.de/regional/hamburg...7010.bild.html

[BaltiX]

It depends how you define the law as "working".

The purpose of full illegality like in the United States (including the recent Fosta / Sesta law), and the "half-legal" laws under the Nordic System (including, bizarrely, Canada) is to keep the scene out of the public eye, discriminate against immigrants wanting to enter the trade, and keep lawmakers and politicians from having to address issues (such as whether kissing and oral sex can be performed if covid-19 cases exceed a specified percentage), that make them uncomfortable and generate political "sound bytes" that can be used in campaign ads by opponents.

Germany has a unique system with its openness and legality. It is amazing how a person can go to Google Maps and type in Palace or Sharks and get directions, including mass transit, from anywhere. Even in other "legalized" European countries, many addresses are kept off of the internet, and many of the best independents and establishments in places such as Spain and Portugal work without an official license from the government.

There are advantages and disadvantages to each system, but from a standpoint of returning quickly to GFE / BBBJ during Covid-19, the independent escorts, and unlicensed "place-sharing" ladies will be at an enormous advantage over large, licensed facilities, even in Germany.

Prostitution would continue to exist in Germany if the Nordic Model were passed. Hell, it would even exist if full criminalization occurs (which it won't). The economic efficiencies are lost, though. The lady, even in a fully criminalized system, is allowed to sell time and companionship. She is allowed to sell anything she wants in the Nordic Model. The guy is legally allowed to purchase time and companionship under either system. The government can't get in the room to see what happens between them, and they can't realistically get a female cop in that room. It happens on stupid TV shows, but not in real life, even in the USA..

I forget the source, but according to sex workers and sex worker advocates in Sweden there been reports of girls getting kicked of apartments by landowners in Sweden because they were suspected of working. I also read that working girls lose rights to children, jailed, or even kicked out of the country if they are foreign. Despite the Swedish model being supposedly beneficial to working girls they can't form advocacy groups.

[Pessimist]

It depends how you define the law as "working".

The purpose of full illegality like in the United States (including the recent Fosta / Sesta law), and the "half-legal" laws under the Nordic System (including, bizarrely, Canada) is to keep the scene out of the public eye, discriminate against immigrants wanting to enter the trade, and keep lawmakers and politicians from having to address issues (such as whether kissing and oral sex can be performed if covid-19 cases exceed a specified percentage), that make them uncomfortable and generate political "sound bytes" that can be used in campaign ads by opponents.

Germany has a unique system with its openness and legality. It is amazing how a person can go to Google Maps and type in Palace or Sharks and get directions, including mass transit, from anywhere. Even in other "legalized" European countries, many addresses are kept off of the internet, and many of the best independents and establishments in places such as Spain and Portugal work without an official license from the government.

There are advantages and disadvantages to each system, but from a standpoint of returning quickly to GFE / BBBJ during Covid-19, the independent escorts, and unlicensed "place-sharing" ladies will be at an enormous advantage over large, licensed facilities, even in Germany.

Prostitution would continue to exist in Germany if the Nordic Model were passed. Hell, it would even exist if full criminalization occurs (which it won't). The economic efficiencies are lost, though. The lady, even in a fully criminalized system, is allowed to sell time and companionship. She is allowed to sell anything she wants in the Nordic Model. The guy is legally allowed to purchase time and companionship under either system. The government can't get in the room to see what happens between them, and they can't realistically get a female cop in that room. It happens on stupid TV shows, but not in real life, even in the USA.

+1 excellent analysis. Thank you.

[Turgid]

..................Some here like to call the USA A Sex Prison, but I have never found that to be true. It is damn expensive due to the economic inefficiencies, but tremendous service exists. .............

I have always used escorts, I have paid from US $300 to $500. Yesterday I had a black escort who is better looking than any black girl I have seen at FKKs, she had a great body (except for breasts), 1.78 m and an amazing booty, the sex was amazing, one of my all time bests. However, I would give that up in a flash for an equivalent time in an FKK. The FKKs with ambiance, food, drinks and so many lovely naked Eastern European beauties have spoilt me.

[Sirioja]

Germany is now Romania for brothels. Registration killed last real Slavians, those who are able to speak Russian, have to go to Spain or France for them. Less and less Germans. Germans would not work for 50/30 if poor Romanians didn t make the business.

Expensive Switzerland is also mostly Romania with few Germans at Globe. Austria is also Romania.

In Spain, mostly Romanians and Latina, with few real Slavians, few just fallen from antonov, the most interesting of course.

I can understand Asians willing to taste different Caucasian taste and not hearing moaning like a little bird, but if US have interesting WGs, then why to pay expensive trip, at least 1000 USD to fly and back, even I know Romanian women are prettier than American women, but Canadians or Puerto Ricans are also prettier. If we still have Amour Russe level, prettier than FKK girls, I would go less often in Germany, even different, because clubs are also restaurant and hotel for me, sometimes for only 25 , for breakfast, lunch, tea time, diner, sometimes eating about 5 times because nothing more interesting to do and sleeping a bit, when no attractive girl for me. Then, tomorrow will be another day, no hurry, no rush, relaxing playing football in Oase garden, girls asking: You prefer to play football. I think we are lucky to have Romanians for cheap rate and found some really attractive, when I was so disappointed by American looks on Miami Beach where Puerto Ricans were the prettiest. Even West cost was disappointing, help us Hugh, where are your playmates? Called girl next door, but not what we see in US streets, maybe in middle West farms, fed with good fresh foods, not fast foods since being child.

[Pistons]

The saunaclub in Prague seems to open now on 25th may!

[Mongerer88]

In past there been proposals in countries like UK of banning sex purchase IIRC, but never got passed through national legislature IIRC. In Canada buying sex is illegal, but prostitution flourishes. Same in Ireland and France (as long as you don't pick up streetwalkers). Even in Sweden prostitution still exists. In the USA, prostitution has been illegal in 49 states with harsher laws and enforcement though polices strings. Yet prostitution still flourishes If those countries couldn't abolish prostitution, what makes them think it will work in countries like Germany? It's just ideologically, moral bullshit. Good news is the support for this type of law seems very low.

It depends how you define the law as "working".

The purpose of full illegality like in the United States (including the recent Fosta / Sesta law), and the "half-legal" laws under the Nordic System (including, bizarrely, Canada) is to keep the scene out of the public eye, discriminate against immigrants wanting to enter the trade, and keep lawmakers and politicians from having to address issues (such as whether kissing and oral sex can be performed if covid-19 cases exceed a specified percentage), that make them uncomfortable and generate political "sound bytes" that can be used in campaign ads by opponents.

Germany has a unique system with its openness and legality. It is amazing how a person can go to Google Maps and type in Palace or Sharks and get directions, including mass transit, from anywhere. Even in other "legalized" European countries, many addresses are kept off of the internet, and many of the best independents and establishments in places such as Spain and Portugal work without an official license from the government.

There are advantages and disadvantages to each system, but from a standpoint of returning quickly to GFE / BBBJ during Covid-19, the independent escorts, and unlicensed "place-sharing" ladies will be at an enormous advantage over large, licensed facilities, even in Germany.

Prostitution would continue to exist in Germany if the Nordic Model were passed. Hell, it would even exist if full criminalization occurs (which it won't). The economic efficiencies are lost, though. The lady, even in a fully criminalized system, is allowed to sell time and companionship. She is allowed to sell anything she wants in the Nordic Model. The guy is legally allowed to purchase time and companionship under either system. The government can't get in the room to see what happens between them, and they can't realistically get a female cop in that room. It happens on stupid TV shows, but not in real life, even in the USA.

It is inefficient as hell, and drives the prices up. The parties need a bunch of "rooms" all over the place, and the time spent arranging a transaction is significant, which places an enormous value on repeat business for both parties. Canada is not as bad as the USA, since its Nordic Model allows the lady to legally subcontract out enough services to permit an Agency to handle administrative duties for several ladies, and they can share rooms. But only so far. There was a Canadian lawmaker who actually pounded on the podium during the debate and said that Canada would never become like Germany, with its four-story brothel buildings. So the Canadian system needs to be kept out of the public eye. The Canadian police in large cities actually did a Harm Reduction statement specifying the circumstances in which it will enforce the new Nordic Model law. If no violence, underaged activity, or disturbance to the public exists, they will look the other way.

Some here like to call the USA A Sex Prison, but I have never found that to be true. It is damn expensive due to the economic inefficiencies, but tremendous service exists. Law enforcement has never gone after independent escorts who screen, absent unusual circumstances. A few localities turn a blind eye to agencies only operating within that locality. The problem has always been multiple ladies mass-advertising in the public eye, such as BackPage and huge agencies that cross state lines, which gets immediate attention from USA Law enforcement, especially the Feds. But if you give screening information to a well-reviewed independent escort who screens, see her, and get referrals from her for her friends throughout the nation, you can be well taken care of, and never encounter law enforcement or blackmail / extortion. And they don't need to ask lawmakers if she can do DFK or BBBJTCIM until the covid-19 curve sufficiently flattens. She gets to decide that herself.

For a while, expensive independent German escorts might be at an advantage over FKK ladies. And if Germany ever changes its laws, which I hope they don't, to make the activity illegal, or half-illegal, commercial sex will still flourish, but a lot of guys here won't like the format. I have argued before that Germany would have been better off being like Spain or Portugal, where prostitution is legal but the players do their best to keep it out of the public eye and to minimize the relative percentage of immigrants working for a lower hourly rate than the local girls do. Personally, I think that draws attention from the wrong people.

[Sirioja]

For those who are scared about virus, better to stay away from risky playfield paid sex, I would also to protect my relatives. If you go, you have to be aware of risk. Each one own taste for risks.

[Optimist]

At EL: You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. I have had incall / outcall offers from FKK girls ranging from 100/ h (no longer booking required) to 700/2 h (of course I wished them good luck). I have met girls repeatedly in their apartments and in hotels.

Top girls from various clubs are offering 150/ h including DFK, BBBJ, even CIM. That is FKK club pricing. But 150/ h with CBJ, no DFK, no CIM is what many non FKK girls are charging. For sure FKK girls will not accept every customer and they will have different pricing. If you are not in Germany, if they don't know you very well and trust you and if you don't have any contact details. Bad luck. I don't care about sugar babes in the US. If they are that great. Why was the world visiting German FKK?

Go for it. Find a top Ex-FKK girl or any other top girl for less than 100/ h. I assume you were talking about an hourly rate. Prostitution is illegal in Germany currently.

Thank you for your informative and well-mannered post. It has been a long time since the FKK Threads had the benefit of genuine information from a local expert.

I confirm from my own contacts that everything you say about the current availability is completely true. Although of course I can't go to Germany myself at the moment.

Thanks for sharing your expertise.