Angeles City

[NapaSlapper]

You are %100 correct. On the other hand the freelancers market is booming. Last year I took a hiso freelancer to cebu for 10 days 1 k a day. That's not the usual price for LT but it is possible with freelancers, try to negotiate that with a bar. Like I said before the bars business model is outdated, they are too expensive and they are not needed anymore, there are free pussy to be had everywhere in the Philippines and if you are too lazy to hunt a freelancer will cost you a fraction what bargirl charge for a starfish action followed by a runner if you even managed to get her to the room.

Yes there is free pussy everywhere in the phills but for the pinoys not for the foreigners, especially older, fatter foreigners.

Usually the girls that are willing to spend all day with a punter for 1000 pesos are the girls that cannot get takers for any more pesos, if they could get more then that is exactly what they would have done, there is not a prostitute the world over that will undersell herself.

As far as freelancers and hiso club then it is very hit and miss in there, many nights not a cutie to be found, other nights a few cuties can be found but guess what they are Korean only girls that demand 3,000 pesos short time 1 pop deals.

In life one gets what one pays for comes to mind.

[Member #4698]

You are %100 correct. On the other hand the freelancers market is booming. Last year I took a hiso freelancer to cebu for 10 days 1 k a day. That's not the usual price for LT but it is possible with freelancers, try to negotiate that with a bar. Like I said before the bars business model is outdated, they are too expensive and they are not needed anymore, there are free pussy to be had everywhere in the Philippines and if you are too lazy to hunt a freelancer will cost you a fraction what bargirl charge for a starfish action followed by a runner if you even managed to get her to the room.

Then why bother going to AC when there are hundreds / thousands of FL's in Manila & Cebu City?

AC's draw has always been the girly bars and their point & shoot galleries of girls. Some of us still like the bars for meeting & hooking up with girls although the pay in advance AC style has become a moral hazard for some girls. That's one of the reasons I prefer Burgos Bars. The other reason is overall Burgos has sexier/better girls.

[BroComplex]

Gone are the days when girls are told in no subtle way to please the customers or else. Gone are the days when the bars want loyal customers. Gone are the days of expected all night sex. Gone are the days expecting to get at least one time sex. Gone are days when you can put some pressure to get sex. Gone are the days of getting refund.

You are %100 correct. On the other hand the freelancers market is booming. Last year I took a hiso freelancer to cebu for 10 days 1 k a day. That's not the usual price for LT but it is possible with freelancers, try to negotiate that with a bar. Like I said before the bars business model is outdated, they are too expensive and they are not needed anymore, there are free pussy to be had everywhere in the Philippines and if you are too lazy to hunt a freelancer will cost you a fraction what bargirl charge for a starfish action followed by a runner if you even managed to get her to the room.

[Naked Gunz]

Gone are the days when girls are told in no subtle way to please the customers or else. Gone are the days when the bars want loyal customers. Gone are the days of expected all night sex. Gone are the days expecting to get at least one time sex. Gone are days when you can put some pressure to get sex. Gone are the days of getting refund.

Gone are the days when I go to a bar. I walk past them all the time and go straight to HISO after drinking all my drinks before I arrive, and after arranging my meet ups thru apps. No more expecting a tip for the least little shit attention you have showed me thru a massage I don't want, stage full of malnourished fugly moms, a drink for your friend, touts walking thru sell fucking peanuts, and on and on at the bar. They are all going Korean anyway.

[NapaSlapper]

Gone are the days when girls are told in no subtle way to please the customers or else. Gone are the days when the bars want loyal customers. Gone are the days of expected all night sex. Gone are the days expecting to get at least one time sex. Gone are days when you can put some pressure to get sex. Gone are the days of getting refund.

Exactly, have to agree with you 100%, most guys that claim anything else are living in the very distant past.

[NapaSlapper]

Calls the police and says what? I followed this guy to his room and he wanted to fuck? I wish I would think a bich was ever in charge of me. That is how simps are made. With this kind of thinking it is no wonder all these chicks are leading foreigners around by their noses and getting them to send money. Bich better kick rocks if she thinks she is calling shots over here. Once again it comes to paying after. But yeah yeah, I know, mfs that say it is impossible to pay after are the ones that have never tried to.

Say what? How about he tried to rape me, how about I'm under age, how about planting things under your bed or in your fridge for the cops to find, the list is endless.

Guys can sit behind computer screens and act the big bollocks, but have seen the same foreigners crying like babies once caught in a scam or shown the cells.

Again, never anger a pinay where she wants to get back at you, you will lose every time regardless of how big you thinks you are.

[Sammon]

BTW, each bar sets its own refund policy. One can easily ask the management what that is prior to taking a girl.

Gone are the days when girls are told in no subtle way to please the customers or else. Gone are the days when the bars want loyal customers. Gone are the days of expected all night sex. Gone are the days expecting to get at least one time sex. Gone are days when you can put some pressure to get sex. Gone are the days of getting refund.

[Naked Gunz]

I really think what you may lose from a runner or bad performer is nothing compared to the life your escaping from in the West. The real "Simps " are the men that continue to prop up the "Happy Wife Happy Life" crap. Why are you comparing cock size by announcing who you will and won't pay a few fucking pesos? You were lied to from birth about what your "supposed to do" (Put a ring on it and make babies) which you will lose anyway when she walks with half your shit. If she runs, or is a star fish, I lose what, 20-30 bucks? I can always get another one! To me, it has happened maybe twice, or three times tops in 25 years of mongering. However, the high 6 figure house I no longer own, the fucking thousands in child support along with the tons of post divorce arguments still haunt me. I love being a monger. I just deal with the runners, and learn the game in how not to pick them.

[LargeBanana]

Asia is the land of doing whatever you can get away with. Act like you own the place and you can do pretty much anything you want. Act lost and confused and you will be screwed over and royally so.

When ever I've been threatened with calling friends in the army or cops, I've just called their bluff. A couple of times, when I was in very familiar surroundings, I've handed over my phone and said she can call any General she wants in my Contacts list. That's always ended the argument straight away.

I've paid my share of just go away money for dud sessions but threats and intimidation have rarely worked in the girls' favour.

Enjoy. G.

Learn to say NO in a polite but firm manner. Look for early signals. If you are confidant with saying NO, she will understand and will not try bullshit.

My rules.

Rule number 1, Is the girl smiling and look wanting to please. Only then do I call her.

Rule number 2, observe her pitch. Is she a salesgirl trying to upsell.

Rule number 3, Ask a few details upfront. I always ask do you allow sucking boobs. If the girl is hesitant or make some excuse, BAIL.

Rule number 4 make clear what you want and the price. I say, once fuck when we go to hotel room, once in the night and once in the morning. If she is hesitant, BAIL (she does not even want to do it once and can't bear her job).

Rule number 5, ask for cost upfront and if she charges extra.

[Goferring]

Calls the police and says what? I followed this guy to his room and he wanted to fuck?

Asia is the land of doing whatever you can get away with. Act like you own the place and you can do pretty much anything you want. Act lost and confused and you will be screwed over and royally so.

When ever I've been threatened with calling friends in the army or cops, I've just called their bluff. A couple of times, when I was in very familiar surroundings, I've handed over my phone and said she can call any General she wants in my Contacts list. That's always ended the argument straight away.

I've paid my share of just go away money for dud sessions but threats and intimidation have rarely worked in the girls' favour.

Enjoy. G.

[Java Man]

Add me to the list of guys that have gotten refunds. I also personally know of others that got refunds. Bars have been busted, and will be busted. That didn't matter when getting the refund. However, there are bars that do NOT give refunds. (The Wolf Pack bars.) You took the girl out, end of story.

[Mr Enternational]

I see a lot of bravado on this forum, guys claiming I am the boss and my hoe does what I want or its the highway.

Guys claiming I make sure the girl agrees to what I want before I pay the barfine.

I say, a girl can promise one the world in the bar only to not perform said deeds back at the room, what can one actually do?,nothing much is the answer, why, because anger a pinay enough where she calls the police then things are not going to end well for the punter, if one is lucky it might cost several thousands of dollars to get out of (of course decided up amongst the girl and police), or refuse to pay and ones ass is very likely to end up in the cells on human trafficking charges.

Sorry to tell the brave but unfortunately the girls are in charge and dictate not the punter.

Calls the police and says what? I followed this guy to his room and he wanted to fuck? I wish I would think a bich was ever in charge of me. That is how simps are made. With this kind of thinking it is no wonder all these chicks are leading foreigners around by their noses and getting them to send money. Bich better kick rocks if she thinks she is calling shots over here. Once again it comes to paying after. But yeah yeah, I know, mfs that say it is impossible to pay after are the ones that have never tried to.

[WestCoast1]

Sorry to tell the brave but unfortunately the girls are in charge and dictate not the punter.

BTW, each bar sets its own refund policy. One can easily ask the management what that is prior to taking a girl.

[NapaSlapper]

I see a lot of bravado on this forum, guys claiming I am the boss and my hoe does what I want or its the highway.

Guys claiming I make sure the girl agrees to what I want before I pay the barfine.

I say, a girl can promise one the world in the bar only to not perform said deeds back at the room, what can one actually do?,nothing much is the answer, why, because anger a pinay enough where she calls the police then things are not going to end well for the punter, if one is lucky it might cost several thousands of dollars to get out of (of course decided up amongst the girl and police), or refuse to pay and ones ass is very likely to end up in the cells on human trafficking charges.

Sorry to tell the brave but unfortunately the girls are in charge and dictate not the punter.

[NapaSlapper]

Different gents will have different experiences, but I am with Kazeu. I have written about specific experiences in years past where I got barfines back (or partial barfines) in both AC and Cebu. Admittedly those were unusual experiences, but they occurred. Alternately, instead of a refund, a mama or manager offered a different girl.

To agree with the other gents, certainly the OP confessing that he took the girl out of the bar for a long period of time (ie, drinks, dinner, shopping, etc) would most probably cause the manager to refuse the refund. Jesus de Christo we've been thru that before: Bang the girl first, shop / feed / wine / dine her after.

Just so newbies are clear on the rules of barfine returns.

Yes you might have received a refund on a returned girl many years ago, but since the changing of the human trafficking laws and the constant bar raid years bar owners attitudes have changed completely as far as refunds and returning girls to the bar for the reasons I have already posted.

Have to fully agree with you that one should always do the banging first and the courting last if at all.