Colombia / Travel Coronavirus Updates

[Zeos1]

Please don't turn this thread back into graphs, numbers, and depressing speculations. The current official date of opening is September 1st. This is something we can look forward to.

Dreaming about, yes. As far as looking forward to. Not quite.

Certainly not putting out any money booking tickets, etc. That's where it gets real. I don't want to book and then have to try to collect my refund, future flight credit. Whatever. Now I know in US apparently if they cancel they have to refund you. But not so where I am. And basically airlines can't afford to do the full refund route. So I'm not giving them any of my money to sit on for some possible unknown future flight. I already have my frequent flyer points doing that. Not sure if I'll ever be able to cash those in.

[Knowledge]

There are more than a few "no one will be able to enter Colombia before 2021" predictions. I get the feeling there are guys who regret not being able to be here or deciding to not be here when they could have and now somehow find comfort in promoting scenarios that would prolong the quarantine and closed border. I don't quite understand it. At any rate the quarantine is effectively over here. The President is getting flak from the Mayor of Bogota who blames his order to reopen the economy for spikes in infections in several Bogota barrios. This is the same Mayor who was caught violating quarantine rules last month.

Please don't turn this thread back into graphs, numbers, and depressing speculations. The current official date of opening is September 1st. This is something we can look forward to.

[Paulie97]

No one was talking about you, as the world doesn't revolve around you, nor does it give a fuck about you. Stunning facts of life huh? Sobering as well. The issue was AA "Concierge Key" 50 K a year in tickets plus business class upgrades (woo woo) claimed by another poster (not you), but he's bobbing and weaving in the developing world around cops scooping low end street walkers. Add to that the fact that he says to just file a CC chargeback in lieu of any effort to first call the airline, and that well establishes that he's royally full if shit. One thing you'll notice if you hang around enough mongers is that many just love to lie. That's up to them, but when such translate into advice on the internet worth correcting. That said, who needs to brush up on their reading comprehension?

I suggest you read my post a little closer, you got your math off in that my reference to flying was based on 4 years, not one year. So how you came up with me spending 50 K a year on tickets is not correct. More like 12 K a year on tickets would be more accurate, and I guess that will still qualify me as a big shot, and it's nice travelling in luxury, very nice, and with lots of perks!

But on the other hand I go with Chica's costing $ 10-20 USD a pop, so in this instance I don't think I qualify anymore as big shot.

It's perhaps a "paradox", imagining a guy spending more on airline tickets than hookers in a year, and that was what my original post was about.

[SJobs]

I understand your skepticism but please look at their graph for new confirmed cases:

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ntry/colombia/

The source is directly from the Ministry of Health. If you compare their graph to other countries it looks like Colombia is just starting to peak. Assuming its another 3 months of lockdown for the peak to end that puts us in September which is the start of the fall or the second wave. Every pandemic in recorded human history has had a second wave. Every single one.

Please don't turn this thread back into graphs, numbers, and depressing speculations. The current official date of opening is September 1st. This is something we can look forward to.

[YippieKayay]

This won't age well.

I understand your skepticism but please look at their graph for new confirmed cases:

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ntry/colombia/

The source is directly from the Ministry of Health. If you compare their graph to other countries it looks like Colombia is just starting to peak. Assuming its another 3 months of lockdown for the peak to end that puts us in September which is the start of the fall or the second wave. Every pandemic in recorded human history has had a second wave. Every single one.

[Surfer500]

Quarantine extended until July 1st with some restrictions lifted. Domestic flights are still barred:

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/health-...ine-until-july

I honestly think no one is going to be getting into that country this year, if they are there will be a few international flights before the second wave comes and Colombia closes its borders again.

EDIT:

More:

https://thecitypaperbogota.com/news/...o-july-1/25236

I like you am not holding my breath for a gala re-opening of Colombia this year, and Bogota seems out of control. Maybe there will be a partial opening of the Country meaning like Medellin and other Cities. Interesting to note that now Colombia has the longest quarantine period for a Country in the World.

[Knowledge]

This won't age well.

Quarantine extended until July 1st with some restrictions lifted. Domestic flights are still barred:

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/health-...ine-until-july

I honestly think no one is going to be getting into that country this year, if they are there will be a few international flights before the second wave comes and Colombia closes its borders again.

EDIT:

More:

https://thecitypaperbogota.com/news/...o-july-1/25236

[YippieKayay]

Quarantine extended until July 1st with some restrictions lifted. Domestic flights are still barred:

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/health-...ine-until-july

I honestly think no one is going to be getting into that country this year, if they are there will be a few international flights before the second wave comes and Colombia closes its borders again.

EDIT:

More:

https://thecitypaperbogota.com/news/...o-july-1/25236

[Surfer500]

It wasn't really complicated surfer boy, but let me emphasize again, any guy spending 50 k a year on tickets, plus multiple upgrades to business class can just call the airline with a cancellation request. Get it? No need for credit card chargebacks, where in such a circumstance they'd want you to negotiate with the vendor first anyway. At the end of the day you can talk about what a big shot you are, but no one cares. We hope for practical information and BS doesn't qualify.

I suggest you read my post a little closer, you got your math off in that my reference to flying was based on 4 years, not one year. So how you came up with me spending 50 K a year on tickets is not correct. More like 12 K a year on tickets would be more accurate, and I guess that will still qualify me as a big shot, and it's nice travelling in luxury, very nice, and with lots of perks!

But on the other hand I go with Chica's costing $ 10-20 USD a pop, so in this instance I don't think I qualify anymore as big shot.

It's perhaps a "paradox", imagining a guy spending more on airline tickets than hookers in a year, and that was what my original post was about.

[Paulie97]

It wasn't really complicated surfer boy, but let me emphasize again, any guy spending 50 k a year on tickets, plus multiple upgrades to business class can just call the airline with a cancellation request. Get it? No need for credit card chargebacks, where in such a circumstance they'd want you to negotiate with the vendor first anyway. At the end of the day you can talk about what a big shot you are, but no one cares. We hope for practical information and BS doesn't qualify.

I'm going to have to take offense to this. Up until the Pandemic I was flying monthly to and from the USA to Colombia for four years straight exclusively in business class spending between $ 1,200 to $ 1,500 round trip from LA versus approximately $ 600 round trip in coach. I spent thousands, so much in fact that if I had just flown coach I could of saved a lot of money. But you know what, I only partake in the cheap streetwalkers as well.

[Knowledge]

American's name was floated around finance circles today before the airline and several sector specialists pegged it as an untrue rumor. It's not logical because of the bailout guarantee. As I wrote at the time of the Avianca filing, I expect Viva and Easyfly to take at least that step and possibly go as far as cease dissolve themselves and liquidate their assets. We might see some of their Asian counterparts go that route as well. I am thinking of outfits like China's Hainan Air and China Eastern. Europe has had so many shakeouts the past five years I think the remaining carriers are safe with the upcoming summer surge. If we don't see treatment or vaccine advances before winter of course all bets are off.

Well Latam is now following in Avianca's footsteps, who will be next?

[Knowledge]

I saw those reports. Even more jaw dropping for me was the report of a new generation of CCTV surveillance the Chinese government is using to peer into people's residences.

In China the Government has issued health codes used on Citizens smart phones which you need to access just about everything, if your green, your good. If yellow your stopped, if your red your quarantined.

God forbid if that is the direction things are headed to successfully control this virus which China has pretty much done.

[SJobs]

COPA just announced they would resume flying from Panama City beginning on June 26th at about 10% capacity, but there was not much detail about flights and the procedures involved with the resumption of flights that will be announced later.

This is an encouraging sign. There is a very small chance that Medellin will open up on July 1st. Please keep us posted as you find out more about it. I will do the same.

[Surfer500]

I think the problem with the tracking idea is it can result in a cascade of false alerts. You could be waiting at a traffic light to cross the street and get tagged because someone in a car with the windows rolled up establishes a bluetooth connection. What if you then jumped on a bus or the metro. I think the data will not be that useful and it may cause a run on testing capacity. As described, the alerts will encourage people who receive them to get tested. I don't think it's especially dangerous because it is only a test aimed at controlling crowds in the shopping malls. I personally would not use the app or its associated web site because there is no confirmed information about how the personal data is to be protected and because I would not want an alert, valid or not, to become inconvenient at an airport or even a restaurant.

In China the Government has issued health codes used on Citizens smart phones which you need to access just about everything, if your green, your good. If yellow your stopped, if your red your quarantined.

God forbid if that is the direction things are headed to successfully control this virus which China has pretty much done.

[Surfer500]

Well Latam is now following in Avianca's footsteps, who will be next?