Kyiv

[YummyPL]

I understand that lots of land border crossings are now open. Anyone want to test out driving to Kiev and report back?

I'd be happy if they weren't allowing tourists in. I have a long-stay work visa. But that is just me being selfish.

[Hestendk]

No, you are wrong. Read the article again, carefully. The headline states REGULAR scheduled air traffic will start June 15 and these so-called rules will possibly apply to those who will be inward bound.

Right now, and until that date, there are only repatriation flights outbound and inbound. After that date, airlines are already selling tickets for scheduled flights. But, more importantly, they do not know if they will actually happen, a nice con game to keep your money by then issuing you a voucher instead of a refund to help their cash flow if flights are then cancelled.

The interview was with the Minister for Infrastructure and he will be the one to finally decide on opening the flights to and from Ukraine and how and when they will exactly happen.

And I agree, there is no room at any of the airports to hold several hundred or thousand people awaiting test results for four or more hours after arrival either at passport control or luggage pickup. There will be riots if that is the case.

When have you last been in the borispol airport?

There are plenty of space there especially if they use both terminals.

They could easy handl 1000 people divided up in both 2 arriving terminals.

They could even in the main terminal use the lower level d10-16 as I remember.

That area alone can easy handle at least 300 people in sections.

[Uke Boy]

These are tourist charter flights. No scheduled flights. The corona tests that are taken at the airport are about Ukrainians who come back home.

Such flights cannot be bought by foreigners to fly to Ukraine for a few days + It doesn't work with thousands of people on scheduled flights. There is no waiting space for this at the airport.

No, you are wrong. Read the article again, carefully. The headline states REGULAR scheduled air traffic will start June 15 and these so-called rules will possibly apply to those who will be inward bound.

Right now, and until that date, there are only repatriation flights outbound and inbound. After that date, airlines are already selling tickets for scheduled flights. But, more importantly, they do not know if they will actually happen, a nice con game to keep your money by then issuing you a voucher instead of a refund to help their cash flow if flights are then cancelled.

The interview was with the Minister for Infrastructure and he will be the one to finally decide on opening the flights to and from Ukraine and how and when they will exactly happen.

And I agree, there is no room at any of the airports to hold several hundred or thousand people awaiting test results for four or more hours after arrival either at passport control or luggage pickup. There will be riots if that is the case.

[Hestendk]

Close friend of mine is a resident of Kiev and well-traveled gentleman. After self-imposed quarantine he came out of dungeon last week and sampled the offerings. Price went slightly down, selection is abundant, attitude and desire to please the customer is strong. He sent the pictures he took himself, and Kiev girls in May are as beautiful and satisfying as ever.

He got the phone number of the agency girl easily and engaged in extra curriculum activities with the beauty after the first visit.

Obviously this is not for over-the-weekend trip, not even for a few weeks visit, but rather for a person who can stay for a long period, preferably with good verbal skills in the local language.

I can confirm this also, there is a lack of customers and girls are in need of cash and they are available for much less then before.

My chat app where I speak with different girls I know are with new messages every day, even some old contacts that I never expected to hear from again write if I'm in Kiev and want to meet.

Even one girl where it ended badly with, totally my fault so didn't have any expectations to her writing, but she wrote because she also are in deep need of cash.

[Hestendk]

These are tourist charter flights. No scheduled flights. The corona tests that are taken at the airport are about Ukrainians who come back home.

Such flights cannot be bought by foreigners to fly to Ukraine for a few days + It doesn't work with thousands of people on scheduled flights. There is no waiting space for this at the airport.

There are already flights planed in.

Wiszz plan start 16 or 17, check their website.

The big Question now is, will turist be allowed in or only Ukrainians, and people with permissions (I'm one of these and came here in March after borders was closed).

If they stick to the rule of test, then there is plenty of space in the airport.

Borispol have 2 terminals and the old one is the one operating right now, and the new one is closed down but if reopened there is enough space before passport control to host at least 1000 people seated with space between them in smaller groups.

[DramaFree11]

This is the latest report today from the Infrastructure Minister regarding flights to / from Ukraine:

https://tsn.ua/ru/ukrayina/krikliy-s...t-1557393.html

Briefly, flights to and from Turkey, Cyprus, Greece and Georgia will tentatively begin on June 15. As for Spain and Italy, no decision has been made at this time.

What is of interest is that instead of a two week quarantine, they will give everyone who arrives a Covid-19 test. Everyone will have to wait for the results of the test which can take 3-4 hours. If the test is negative, you are free to leave the terminal. If it is positive, they make no mention of what will be done with you.

Anyway you look at it, this will result in chaos. How they are going to maintain order and keep those possible thousands of people in a comfortable environment with food and drink along with other necessities such as toilets for that period of time has not been addressed. We'll see if this plan gets shot down and what the next possible plan will be. More details will be coming out during this week.

Crazy plan, not even thought out. With several hundred or even a thousand people kept in a confined area for four hours at a minimum, someone with the virus may well spread it to others during that time. This plan is total insanity. You may get a negative result back from the test while waiting and then a few days later, you have the full-blown symptoms of the virus.

You need to be careful you do not want to be in some crazy data plan. It is receipt for disaster. What happens if you actually test positive in country, then you are real stuck and they can make your life a living hell.

[Misterxxx]

This is the latest report today from the Infrastructure Minister regarding flights to / from Ukraine:

https://tsn.ua/ru/ukrayina/krikliy-s...t-1557393.html

Briefly, flights to and from Turkey, Cyprus, Greece and Georgia will tentatively begin on June 15. As for Spain and Italy, no decision has been made at this time.

What is of interest is that instead of a two week quarantine, they will give everyone who arrives a Covid-19 test. Everyone will have to wait for the results of the test which can take 3-4 hours. If the test is negative, you are free to leave the terminal. If it is positive, they make no mention of what will be done with you.

Anyway you look at it, this will result in chaos. How they are going to maintain order and keep those possible thousands of people in a comfortable environment with food and drink along with other necessities such as toilets for that period of time has not been addressed. We'll see if this plan gets shot down and what the next possible plan will be. More details will be coming out during this week.

Crazy plan, not even thought out. With several hundred or even a thousand people kept in a confined area for four hours at a minimum, someone with the virus may well spread it to others during that time. This plan is total insanity.

These are tourist charter flights. No scheduled flights. The corona tests that are taken at the airport are about Ukrainians who come back home.

Such flights cannot be bought by foreigners to fly to Ukraine for a few days + It doesn't work with thousands of people on scheduled flights. There is no waiting space for this at the airport.

[Uke Boy]

This is the latest report today from the Infrastructure Minister regarding flights to / from Ukraine:

https://tsn.ua/ru/ukrayina/krikliy-s...t-1557393.html

Briefly, flights to and from Turkey, Cyprus, Greece and Georgia will tentatively begin on June 15. As for Spain and Italy, no decision has been made at this time.

What is of interest is that instead of a two week quarantine, they will give everyone who arrives a Covid-19 test. Everyone will have to wait for the results of the test which can take 3-4 hours. If the test is negative, you are free to leave the terminal. If it is positive, they make no mention of what will be done with you.

Anyway you look at it, this will result in chaos. How they are going to maintain order and keep those possible thousands of people in a comfortable environment with food and drink along with other necessities such as toilets for that period of time has not been addressed. We'll see if this plan gets shot down and what the next possible plan will be. More details will be coming out during this week.

Crazy plan, not even thought out. With several hundred or even a thousand people kept in a confined area for four hours at a minimum, someone with the virus may well spread it to others during that time. This plan is total insanity. You may get a negative result back from the test while waiting and then a few days later, you have the full-blown symptoms of the virus.

[PhotoSlider]

I lived in ukraine a while ago and was thinking of coming back. I translated to russian "prostitute Kiev hryvnia" and googled it and got sites that offer beautiful women for 600 and up for an hour. Are those adds real?

My friend told me that most of the beautiful girls left the country. We both were living there years ago when it was easy pickings)).

Do not look at website. Those pictures are static, and most likely fake. Real action is in Viber and WhatsApp, or in the streets.

600 UAH was possible when hryvnia was at 8 per one dollar. For a few years now 600 UAH undertakers are an equivalent of drug addicts doing bare back blow jobs at semi trailer truck stops.

At the same time today's chances of getting a beautiful well-mannered girl rated above 8 for 1500-2000 UAH an hour are definitely higher than 50%. I see in my Viber that all the agencies I used while in Kiev are active. Girls need to pay rent and have cash for other expenses. Besides all those beauties that traveled internationally are now confined to the tight quarters of their own or parents in remote towns and villages, editing their Instagram selfies and shit.

Rumors of Kiev demise are greatly exaggerated. But there are certain obstacles, like catching corona from a friendly young lady. Unlike flu, a person infected with corona becomes contagious right away, and may stay without symptoms for at least 5 days, frequently much longer. The jury is still out on the subject. Simply measuring body temperature and looking for cough / sneeze does nothing. Glad to see that Sorbona's gamble worked out and he is on Forum after his recent endeavor into Kiev. Not sure how less risky was my own rapid fire fucking with dozens and dozens of Ukrainian hotties performing BBBJ, DFK and DATY.

[PhotoSlider]

Any field reports at this time?

I would love to see some old timers here who have migrated to Kiev and are well-immersed in the game to come out and tell us how much they are enjoying the current situation.

Close friend of mine is a resident of Kiev and well-traveled gentleman. After self-imposed quarantine he came out of dungeon last week and sampled the offerings. Price went slightly down, selection is abundant, attitude and desire to please the customer is strong. He sent the pictures he took himself, and Kiev girls in May are as beautiful and satisfying as ever.

He got the phone number of the agency girl easily and engaged in extra curriculum activities with the beauty after the first visit.

Obviously this is not for over-the-weekend trip, not even for a few weeks visit, but rather for a person who can stay for a long period, preferably with good verbal skills in the local language.

[DramaFree11]

I lived in ukraine a while ago and was thinking of coming back. I translated to russian "prostitute Kiev hryvnia" and googled it and got sites that offer beautiful women for 600 and up for an hour. Are those adds real?

My friend told me that most of the beautiful girls left the country. We both were living there years ago when it was easy pickings)).

Correct about the most of the beautiful girls left the country 3-5 years ago. 600 Grv, will not work, unless you have not standards. $75-150 per session. Not cheap anymore and the hot girls are long gone. 6's are available, but not for little money, complete myth.

[BigthDikth]

I lived in ukraine a while ago and was thinking of coming back. I translated to russian "prostitute Kiev hryvnia" and googled it and got sites that offer beautiful women for 600 and up for an hour. Are those adds real?

My friend told me that most of the beautiful girls left the country. We both were living there years ago when it was easy pickings)).

[Kozerog]

A quarantine of two weeks is mandatory.

These rules will likely be relaxed by July. I took the risk and made my new flight reservation for July 4.

It was a bonus for quality services provided. No obligations were imposed. Making sure I am perceived as a trustworthy candidate for visits in the future.

Yes, any bonus should be "no strings attached", but of course there is implied reciprocation. It's the same in business. If you have a high-performing employee, you have 3 choices: 1) pay normal salary and risk losing employee to someone else or negatively affecting employee's motivation; 2) raise employee salary; 3) pay normal salary plus end-of-year bonus. Option 3 requires employee to trust you, but if you honor that trust by paying bonus as expected, you earn more trust. Also, option 3 is often cheaper in the long run than option 2, for equivalent results. Finally, option 3 obviously is lower risk for employer compared to option 2, since no bonus if employee leaves mid-year. Bonus is earned during year, so you can't complain if employee leaves immediately after receiving bonus, any more than you can complain if employee leaves after receiving pay increase. Maybe you didn't offer enough bonus / pay increase, or maybe no amount of money would be enough to retain the employee.

[Misterxxx]

Ukraine wants to open the borders to foreigners. A quarantine of two weeks is mandatory. During this time it is not possible to leave the country. This makes weekend trips impossible.

At the moment this means: The quarantine must be spent in a closed apartment. It is not allowed to leave the building. You cannot go to the supermarket or to a restaurant. An app must be installed on the phone upon arrival. A Ukrainian phone number is mandatory. The location is constantly localized. The police visit you unannounced. In addition, calls several times a day to take a picture of yourself and the area. Or you have to go to the window and show yourself. If you do not respond within 15 minutes or break the quarantine, a penalty will be ordered. Between 600 and 4000 dollars (not hryvnia).

https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/n...05/29/7110504/

[PhotoSlider]

...Therefore I am not prepaying, and definitely not spying on Instagram to see if she has other BF or few. The ultimate truth is in having the girl in my arms, and feeling her sincere desire...

At the same time I did pay substantial amounts to certain Ukrainian ladies upon their departure before my leaving for the airport. My thinking was similar to Kozerog's. It was a bonus for quality services provided. No obligations were imposed. Making sure I am perceived as a trustworthy candidate for visits in the future. At the same time I didn't request any promises, or assurances of my exclusive right to their resources.

And likewise, any charity directed at Ukrainian ladies should be considered as funds that you will never see. Frequently the immediate "thank you so much" will be the only gratitude. If you are wealthy enough to be such a philanthropist, and do not expect anything in return, then there will be no hurt feelings. In fact by not accusing the Ukrainian lady in infidelity, and giving her sufficient freedom ensures she'll be more inclined to continue meeting with you. At least this is the case in my circle.

Sure there are scammers in Kiev. Certain types attract them more than others. And it's fun to see the tricks scammers attempt, how bewildered and frenzied they become when their elaborate schemes do not work out)). But as Kozerog said: "The seeker shall find". Pure jewels are out there, and new ones are discovered every time I go to Kiev.