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06-05-20 13:32 #11643Good to keep track of the flights in flights trackers to see if the flights take place:
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https://www.flightstats.com/v2/fligh...tId=1038140288
No use buying a flight more than one week in advance.
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06-05-20 13:05 #11642Yes thank you XXL for information. Originally Posted by XXL
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Yes I know there are many flights of the Lufthansa group (with Swiss and Austrian). Besides, I like these companies I have often flown with. I think it will be the first who will have many proposals when the borders will reopen.
We can buy tickets but for the moment these flights are not maintained and are canceled when the dates approach.
I think they do like the other companies: they sell tickets knowing that there is a lot of risk that they cannot do them. Then they offer credit notes (but not refunds). This improves their cash flow.
Anyway I take all information to take the flights as soon as possible provided that there is no quarantine and no destination forced upon arrival.
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06-05-20 12:25 #11641Take a look at Lufthansa. They have flights to Europe. I am planning to book one to leave Thailand end of June myself. Originally Posted by Pimpampoumpipo
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06-05-20 12:15 #11640
My Paris > Bangkok ticket scheduled for mid July has just been canceled by Thaiairways today. Same as March, April, May and June before with Air France. The months go by and look alike. Until about 2 months before there are departures. Then as we approach dates, there are fewer and fewer flights and more and more expensive. Until they are canceled and there are no more flights at all.
I think for the month of July it's dead.
I fear there will be still for a long time. I no longer see the end of this story.
https://www.ttrweekly.com/site/2020/...vid-19-travel/
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06-04-20 15:41 #11639You are right but you can't blame those looking in hoping that what you are saying isn't correct. Now I'm not running around every day looking for pussy like you but I continue to put in 50 KM's every day on my bike doing what I did before the virus. If you are aware of your surrounding you notice things and if you got boots on the ground you can clearly see something just isn't right. You read the articles and between the lines, they stumble stumbling is the Thai leaders lie trying everything they could to make it sound like they got a handle on things when they really don't. When it comes to the economy one day they put up these numbers that all is good they have tons of reserve the next they are trying to borrow money to stimulate their own pockets. Even before the virus the baht was weakening at the beginning of Feb it was 33.10 since it has dropped to 31.50 anyone that knows anything other than pussy can see their economy has already tanked with so many people each day standing in the sun getting food. Originally Posted by MonkeyPaw
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Although they have opened things up the only people spending money in town are the ones stuck like yourself and that isn't going to make their economy. You noted that although Hooters can open they haven't this goes with why so many other business aren't going to do so because if they open those doors they have to start paying rent and it isn't rocket science if you got a business on Beach Road with no tourist you got to be really stupid to open.
A case as proof I called my son eye Doctor the other day she has a new shop in Royal Garden she indicated the mall was to open June 1st so 2nd I went down couldn't find it called her and she came down and opened to let us in then shut down behind and explained it all to me. Why opened there is no one around turn the lights on and the clock starts on rent.
You drive through town as I've done day in day out for years there are shops pack up and gone never coming back even when they open fully up it will take a vaccine and a year down the road. The beach is opened but vendors aren't allowed to set up chairs etc until this weekend is what is rumor except I heard down the road towards Bang Seang they have already gone mad and the beach is packed with people I did a drive through last Thursday and it was still roped off today I was on the other end towards Sattahip Bang Saray and still no vendors or food being sold. The economy has already tanked I'm waiting for the baht to fall and fall hard 40-1 would be nice for a change?
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06-04-20 14:35 #11638
Good information. Thanks
You may be right that no one wants to be the first. However, whichever country is bold enough to be first, will probably have heavy tourism first as well (After 3 months plus of closed Asian destinations, there are many waiting on the sidelines that at this point will gladly go to any of the typical destinations for fun (Thai, Cam, Philly, Viet, Indo, Mal, etc.) I know some may be thing that its not possible because many are hurting financially due to the Covid shutdown world wide. Well, I am just one person, but I know of 3 different friends that are able and willing. So I am sure there are others out there. Once one opens, the others will soon cave in as well. Its going to be interesting to see who jumps in the pool first. Originally Posted by SkyRyder
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My guess, when big entertainment areas open, they will not open to international tourism for a couple of months after, just to measure and keep track of its impact to the covid numbers. That being said, those owners will be open, but will not have enough customers. That just seems like the last nail in the coffin for many of those businesses. I hope I am wrong.
BTW< thanks for the update with your travel agent. Keep us updated.
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06-04-20 13:26 #11637
Bars might open on June 14 week
Read the story here as it's absolutely not certain that this will actually happen: https://thepattayanews.com/2020/06/0...pubs-and-bars/.
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06-04-20 10:12 #11636
Fwiw
I have been chomping at the bit to enjoy a few days of playing golf and female companionship in the LOS for sometime now. I have been in contact with the agency that normally takes care of the bookings, etc and finally today got some kind of info. While I cannot vouch for the veracity of the info, the answer to my "when" question was they are not expecting to be able to accommodate foreign guests prior to 4 Q of this year. I have inquired about going to Vietnam or Cambodia, but it appears no one wants to be the first. I guess we will see!
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06-04-20 02:55 #11635
I told you so, it's worse
I really hate doing this over and and over again. I've talked with countless of people, and they say from what they heard from the government or what they read, it's not too bad for Thailand. My response is when talking about current situation, imagine it's just like ISG. Avoid those who wear rose colored glasses. Always being optimistic just because, but give you no rationale. They will say "Thailand always recovers." Yeah, but when? And how? And what about other countries since we are talking about international issues affecting Thai people which depends on international dollars.
1. Lots of supposed sex-perts just giving a bunch of opinions.
2. Look at the credentials of who is giving you the opinion.
3. On the ground reporting and in the action supersedes should be the most trusted and look at #2.
Thailand's economy is projected be the worse drop amongst all Asian countries. Thailand is fucked. Why because I am on the ground and I can see the decline and hopelessness in Pattaya. The opening of businesses is doing little to help in Pattaya. For this month, the expenses will be greater than any revenue. It's like opening a restaurant and having little or no customers. You fire staff, and make the few left behind work more, longer, and harder. The service and quality will go down because of tired staff, but you will charge a the same or a higher price because you are short on money. Rent and utilities will be due That is a recipe for doom, but especially on a greater scale. Beach opens in Pattaya. Lots of people, but very few rent chairs or buy from vendors because they like "free. " They bring their own mats and food and leave behind mess and trash. The cost to clean and maintain will be greater than the revenue coming in from opening the beach. The value of the Thai baht is going up, which makes no sense due to state of economy. It's a paradox and that means being manipulated by insider trading and corruption. Your economy is sinking but baht goes up and prices stay same. Not a good recipe. Also as the USA struggles, so will the world and Thailand.
https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/econ...n-soaring-baht
https://pattayaone.news/state-of-eco...lly-estimated/
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06-03-20 19:24 #11634
Do any of our governments have much credibility now? The US government response was awful. CDC has been blending antibody tests with covid tests to increase the test numbers. The US government reponse to protestors is at best equal to China's in HK, but in reality probably worse, even China never brought the troops in from Shenzen during last summer and didn't do low helo flyovers of the protestors. I am not a fan of Xi, but he also didn't tear gas and assault his people to take a photo.
Anyway my point is that credibility is out the window for most of the world's governments. Reality is China is the biggest tourism customer for Thailand so they are going to be focus for the TAT. This doesn't even consider the economic links and military links Thailand has with the PRC. I suspect Japan and Korea will be next in line.
As far as the US goes most of the world may wait on the sidelines until November and the Trump issue is decided. There is simply no reason for anyone else to make commitments before then. You also have the factor that all of the world's governments that have international tourism cash outflows would rather keep their people locked in and force that money to stay at home than go abroad. Thailand which has a huge tourism trade surplus is even promoting to their own people to spend in country and not abroad. In the states you have always seen this even at a local level with restricted roads between states or municipalities to try to direct tourism dollars to stay local.
The correct academic approach to this is that for any country that has a tourism trade surplus is to get that flowing as quickly as possible through incentive programs and ease of travel, with a possible move also to restrict your own people to increase that gap. Japan I would think has a deficit but is already announced an incentive program to restart foreign tourism. Without knowing what numbers the TAT is operating on you basically have to assign a value to each countries tourist which would be how much they bring in less their cost and then multiply by average count. Due to raw volume China is clearly #1 even if they only spent 2000 THB a day. This would be the same for Japan and Korea due to numbers. Then you get into "quality" tourists that spend a lot more on average but have smaller numbers like UK, US, AUS. They may beat out India based on the large difference in daily spend. However even that can be manipulated with Visa requirements, like enforcing the provisions to prove a certain cash amount and hotel reservations which would filter out the bottom half of a given population.
Also to be clear this is what every government does or is likely to do. In the USA my PRC friend's visa for 10 years was less than $300, now to do the extension for another 6 months since they can't get a flight home is going to cost near $500. Come spend your money, but do it quickly and leave, if you want to stay is going to cost you a lot more.
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06-03-20 15:50 #11633No one would understand that China is one of the first countries to which borders are open when the epidemic comes from home and especially that it took a long time before taking sanitary measures and alerting WHO, that during this time Chinese travelers spread the virus all over the world and the information and figures given by the government since then appear to be truncated or even false. Originally Posted by MonkeyPaw
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On this issue, the Chinese government no longer has much credibility now.
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06-03-20 11:18 #11632
Good article June 1st, regarding International travel to Thailand on Bloomberg " Travel bubble " I hoping this is wrong but down deep it is pretty much I think will happen when it comes to USA Britain and Europe that bubble is the end of the year at best?
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06-02-20 02:07 #11631As I noted there will be politics involved how much is anyone's guess? When it comes to traveling I feel it is near the bottom of the list the Thai leaders will tiptoe the best they can until a real decision is made? My gut when it comes to the USA With all the things going on if the numbers spike the decision for Thailand is pretty easy even without China interference. The last week China seems to have gone from let's play together to just throwing in the towel and doubling down on their position with Hong Kong and the retraction on phase one of the trade agreement things are starting to heat up. Originally Posted by MonkeyPaw
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Outside of this, I continue to keep my option open and track Airline for personal reasons. If my research is correct this might be a factor to consider even when things open back up whether one will travel especially when so much conversation is about prices?
Outside of your post in general, I have been tracking flights and cost it should be noted if one origination point is from Bangkok the price has always been higher than if you originate from the West coast of the USA.
Evaair, in Feb the price for a round trip from BKK-SFO was 23,000 baht, for Sept, that was the same for Feb 2021. April 1st the price went to 37,000 baht. Last night I checked for Sept it has gone to 57,000 baht for Feb it is still at 37,000 baht but it is still too early I suspect it will go up to 57,000 as time goes by. I notice flights are also being cut.
Alternative Airline Cathay BKK-HK-SFO September is at 22,000 baht, and Feb is at 30,000 but I suspect these prices are going to be going up pretty soon. I like Eva but Cathay is also a good choice to SFO I've read the fine print and thinking of making the purchase for Feb 2021 to lock in the price even if I need to cancel and paid the fee I still come out ahead. I understand posters are going to look at this and say too early so and so on and on I fully understand so don't take what I've noted too seriously it is just a pattern.
As for trips coming from the USA SFO / BKK I noticed Eva, in Feb 2020 price was 650 USD now it is 1000 USD.
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06-01-20 17:32 #11630Girls and Thai cuisine are a fine gourmet mix. Of course, China's lies and mishandling of it are the first deadly sin. But what happened next cannot be dismissed either. It's something akin to a presumed good guy, let's say a cop with a uniform and a badge, assuring you that known (to him) thief isn't really trying to rob you, just relax, he's a friend, doing good work, all while he's going through your jacket searching for your wallet. Originally Posted by NattyBumpo
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As bad as the thief is and he is definitely the perp, the lie that cop told you square in the face arguably caused more harm to you than if he'd just kept his mouth shut. Not to mention how about him instead warning you that guy is a known thief and probably trying to rob you before he gets your wallet, your phone and your Ray Bans.
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06-01-20 17:16 #11629Okie dokey. Have it your way. China is to blame for the world wide pandemic. I am glad we agree on something outside of girls and Thai cuisine . Originally Posted by EihTooms
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