2002-2006 North China - Beijing

[El Rond]

An avid reader here, this is my first post and unfortunately it is a first-hand account of a rather harrowing experience. Thought long and hard about posting it, knowing I will get flaks from all quarters for my stupidity, but felt the need to warn other “it couldn’t happen to me” mongers, and anyway I’m still fucking pissed at myself after the whole affair, and I fully deserve whatever criticisms dished out.

Was in Beijing in April, and happened I was wondering around Wangfujing area near Novotel. Was looking for a pub with live football on TV, and just as it was quite apparent I couldn’t find any English-type pub there, I was approached by a guy touting his name card and contact number. Learning I was from Asia (I’m an Asian Chinese) he was very keen to show me his establishment, saying I could just check out the girls and recommend it to my friends back home if I’m satisfied, since they cannot advertise openly and rely on word of mouth from people like me. And he said they have cable TV there, so I can just watch my footie if I wanted.

So I agreed and we popped into a cab. On the way he called on his phone and told the mamasan to get ready the best room, saying that he’s got someone who can bring some business in future, etc. etc. The place is less than 5 km south from Beijing International Hotel where I was staying, RMB 15 from Wangfujing (which he paid), and we reached there about 11pm. There were no obvious signs of what the name of the place is, as we seemed to got in through the back door, and is housed in what looked to be some kind of a building under construction. It is actually a standard KTV lounge inside, and once we got in he asked 3 girls to come in, and I selected one. Before I could ask him about football, he left the room, and the girl started groping me all over. I thought – since there’s no football on telly, what the heck, let’s go for it. Asked the girl if it is safe (how stupid can you get?), and she said the attendants won’t come in unless called for, and that the most nondescript places like this is also the safest. So we did our groping, then continued to FS.

Just as I was getting the condom out, 2 attendants rushed in (sounds familiar?) Emptied my pockets including wallet, passport and hotel key, and told me to wait for the manager. The manager came, and went through these bullshit as to how prostitution is illegal, I could get in jail, won’t be able to leave the country (in 2 days’ time), my career would be wrecked, I will not be able to come to China again, etc, etc. I told him straight that I’m aware of these scams from the internet but didn’t expect this to be such a place, and reasoned that it was his employees that led me into this. Obviously he pinned the blame entirely on me, and reiterated that I will go to jail if this cannot be settled privately. So I asked for the price, he went all around the bloody bush before coming up with – RMB 30,000, about USD 3,600! I said there is no way I can pay that, and he could have whatever’s in my wallet (about RMB 1,000 and USD 150, close to USD 300 in all). I offered to settle using credit cards, so he went through my cards, and said they cannot take my signature, but I can use the PIN on my Visa and Diners Club card to withdraw cash from the ATM. Told them that I’ve never used the PIN on the cards (true enough), so even if there are PINs there’s no way I can remember them (actually I know the PIN to the Visa, but managed to convince them otherwise because the card issue date was 10 years ago). Asked about money in the hotel room, how I’m paying the hotel bills, and whether I’ve got a return flight – just to assess whether I have more cash stashed away (which I did).

He left the room an in came another manager, and we repeated the same story both ways, except that this is the “bad guy” - rather tougher in spelling out the consequences, and upfront in saying that he is a businessman, all that’s needed to resolve this problem is cash. Left me alone in the room with an attendant for a long time, and both tooks turns coming in to tell me to think hard about how I propose to settle this. Mostly they were grilling me about the PINs to get me to use the cards, with tactics ranging from being helpful (saying maximum withdrawal from ATM is only RMB 10,000, so they can give me a discount), to anger (throwing my cards on the table), to threats (asking an attendant to call the police, then the other manager came in whilst apparently telling the attendants to entertain the cops, and asking why I made his boss – the other manager – so angry?).

When the time came for the place to close (2 am), another manager came in. I told him the cash in my wallet is all I can offer, and he hinted that if they accompany me back to my hotel room and found more cash there, I would be in trouble. That got me worried, but I decided to take a chance and said that I already have more than enough cash in my wallet for a 2-day stay, so why should I have any more cash? He counted the cash, asked how much are my handphone (USD 300) and watch (USD 120), whether it’s OK for them to take them (yes, he actually ASKED!). I knew the end was in sight, and told him that I would gladly give him both as a gesture of my sincerity to settle this, although it would inconvenience me greatly without the phone, and if that’s the case can I have the SIM card back? He said OK, and even allowed me to transfer the stored phone numbers onto the card, and erase all pictures stored in the phone, before setting the phone to Chinese language for him. Then he changed his mind and said I can keep the phone, but he’ll take the watch. On top of that, he asked how much I need for my remaining stay here, and left about RM 200 and USD 7 on the table for me. I obviously pretended to do some mental arithmetic, and asked about taxi fares, airport tax, etc to show that I really do not have any cash left at the hotel. He put another RMB 100 on the table, and had the cheek to ask several times whether I have any grievances (question here: will they get into trouble if I’m stupid enough to report this to the police?) I told him how grateful I am, how sorry I am for breaking the law, blah, blah, and he said he should be thanking me instead for the cash! I was then escorted out to a waiting cab back to the hotel.

So that’s my experience, just to confirm that this scam still exist. I knew it was only money they were after, and all this while I reasoned that it’s not in their interest to make this into a police case, so whatever I have is still better off for them, than calling the cops and getting nothing. Was I being crazy to call their bluff? I’m certainly not advising anyone here to do the same if you found yourselves in the same predicament, but I knew that even with the money in my hotel room it is still nowhere near the amount they wanted, so there was really nothing I could do much about. During the 3 hours I had lots of time to think about worst-case scenarios (locked up in police cell or beaten up), and showed my emotions ranging from trying to be smart (it’s their employees too) to utter desperation and frustration in the end (wanting to get out of the situation badly but simply have no access to cash). What I had feared was them retaining my passport and asking me to raise the cash the next day (I was there for a meeting) to redeem it. Either it didn’t occur to them (unlikely), or it’s more trouble to them than it’s worth (they may get into trouble if I had the opportunity to seek local advice?). Anyway, I know I got off very lightly this time and have learnt my lesson very well - just have to treat it as having paid the price for not remembering the warnings in these forums.

The following night I headed straight for Passions, hooked up with a girl that I met previously but did not bring back, and had a great time for RMB 3,500. Expensive, yes, but considering it was money I recovered from the night before – what the heck!

[Mock A Bee]

All,

This is an article from the New York Times about AIDS in Asia. It seems to be getting a lot worse, not just in Thailand, but in China as well. Though of course due to government policy about reporting statistics, it is extremely difficult to know the exact extent of the problem in China.

http://nytimes.com/2004/07/07/international/asia/07aids.html?8hpib

[Soujourn]

BJ Newbie,

I've been down that path before! Here's what I learned:

1) Most SW around the popular ex-pat areas will try pretty hard to bait/switch you. Don't think they are as innocent and misunderstanding as you guess. So don't bother with the 'pay you more for LT' stuff. 9/10 they won't stay or deliver. YMMV alot.

2) If you really want LT or negotiate something they don't gladly offer, then just pay half, and tell them the other half is when the session is complete - like after breakfast tomorrow. They might complain, but you won't pay for service not rendered. Don't worry about performance -- most girls only have 1 way of doing the task and it doesn't matter if you pay them 20rmb or 2000rmb, once they start, it's always the same technique.

3) GFE type experiences usually will come from, well, a GF. There are many women in BJ happy to have a BF for the night or forever. Visit the popular clubs THEY go to! Not Maggies, HR, Lido, etc. Go to the 'Other Hard Rock', Bananas, Inner Affair, MIX, Vics, Suzy Wongs, etc. One of my regular BJ GF came from Maggies, but I took her clubbing away from Maggies - hence she didn't associate my behavior with the usual Maggies pickup. BTW - she no longer goes to Maggies because she's disgusted by the behavior of the Mongolians and other 'cash girls'. Hehe - but she DOES go to places like Passions, Suzy Wongs, etc. go figure.

So my main advice is this -- go do the things YOU like and the girls around those places will probably be receptive to hanging out with you. If they are cash girls, then they'll prolly be also having a mutually fun time and therefore better experience. SW, Maggies, HR, etc are into pretty much one thing -- your pockets. Some exceptions, but harder and harder to find as the flood of economy 'enlightens them'.

Also - try the unexpected - like doing some shopping and asking some girls to assist you or go with you because your mandarin is bad.

Last but not least. Make sure you have a mobile phone and can SMS. It is the ultimate hook up device.

Based on the latest UNAIDS report I'd clearly stay away from 'high volume' sex workers - especially SW who are largely migrant and likely to come from other areas with high incidence of infection. Stay Safe! It's YOUR responsibility - I've found ALOT of Chinese women ready to go BB without a second thought!!

Ciao!

[Deque669]

I could definetely say that Beijing is a wonderful city... and I say this after only being here for 5 days but after visiting some very interesting places like Passions, Downtown, Happy House, Success, Maggies and Latino's.

1) Passions (as per prior postings) is a place where you will meet gorgeous girls.. a bit expensive but it's worth it every cent.

2) Downtown/Happy House/Success: great for few drinks and chat with cute girls.

3) Maggies:well known place and great for Mongolians.

4) Latinos: great latin band and if you dance a bit of salsa and merengue, you are IN!

Hopefully this is a good start for those new arrivals..

[BlnkNameCruiser]

Nice to be back in friendly girl Beijing!

My first night I arranged a freebie 3 some with a girl who participated in the 4 some last time. (not my usual) - (thanks to the intro by Tapioca)

Took her out to a club for about 30 minutes. Only one drink later she wanted to go home.

I put her in our car and took her to our place despite her weak attempt to go home.

In our place I kissed her a little while my tag team pal took a shower. That is all it took to get her ready.

She took it like a champ. 2 holes filled at all times, and she was loving every minute of it.

She came twice and got us both off.

What a great 1st night back in Beijing.

blanknamecruiser

[Apac Boy]

the only BBS places that I can think of that are like the BBBJ factory at Huangpi Lu are the BBSs near east 5th ring (by Er Wai).
it's 100rmb a pop

tapioca

[Beijing Newbie]

Hi all,

I've been in Beijing for the past few days & wanted to share my experiences based on the info that I have gleaned from this forum.

First experience:
Checked into the Hyatt in the evening & asked for an in-room massage. A girl (clad in a white doctor's coat) came to my room (RMB 250/45min). She was probably in the late 20s, medium built & ok looking but she was friendly & chatty. Tried to convince her on "happy ending" & to cut a long story short, at the end of a 2nd session, she had my cock in her hands & I had my finger on her clit. She was very shy & I got the impression that she normally does not do this as she looked as if she was shamed & could could burst into tears at any moment (my instincts have been honed in years of making out in Asian massage parlors (AMPs) in M'sia, Singapore, HK, London & US). Sad thing was we ran out of time (she could not extend for another session) before I got my release!!! Damn!! Tipped her RMB 200 though.

Second experience:
The next day, I needed to get laid badly, so I decided to head towards the sauna/massage at Grade View Garden Hotel (I got the impression from a post here that the girls are willing). To cut a long story short, the salt rub & massage was great. My masseur had a CFM look & great set of tits - we ended up rolling on the bed for about an hour (I extended the session) & she gave me a great HJ but no FS & no touching her clit.

Third experience:
By this time I was thinking about what I guy need to do to get laid in this town. So, I checked out the Hard Rock Cafe for dinner & hopefully dessert. I was there from 10pm till 11pm - hardly any action except for a few ok looking girls plying their trade to teh westerners in front of the bar. Quite disappointed so left the place & walked towards Sheraton. Got stopped by a mamasan who showed me about 4 girls. Picked a young little spinner (reminded me of a young mainland chinese spinner I partook in Mongkok years ago) for RMB800 for the nite. However, after a delightful session, she wanted to leave to help out a friend who she claimed is in trouble. Said that she will be back in 30mins. I let her go as firstly, I already gave her the RMB800 & secondly, even though I suspected that she will not return, I gave her the benefit of the doubt. So, had one mediocre session (no CBJ etc) for rmb 800 - still cheap compared to the US but I had better for the price in S'pore.

Fourth experience:
Got into a cab last nite at about 11.30pm & spent about 2 hrs trolling the streets for a SW. Saw at least 30 along the roadsides & finally settled for one that asked for RMB200 ST & RMB400 for the nite. She was ok looking but quite friendly & chatty (my mandarin is not that good & could only understand like 50% of what she said!). She's in her mid-20s & from Harbin. After a shower we hit the sack. I asked for CBJ & DATY but she said it was not available. Offered her additional RMB200 for the additional service & I thought we agreed but the moment she got the money, she said she never does it - not for any price. When I said in my broken mandarin that I just gave her RMB200 for it, she said it was just a tip for her. Shit - with my enthusiasm dampened, I decided not to argue & just fucked her. I had no idea why but after 30mins of vigorous action with me drenched in sweat, I still could not cum. In the end I asked for a HJ & I had a finger in her pussy. Towards the end, she was dripping onto my had & I had 3 fingers in her when I came in her hands. She was so wet that she left a big stain on my sheets! As it was already 3am, she asked if she could leave. As I had to be in the office in the early morning, I acquiesced. Total cost was RMB600 + RMB200 for the cab drive = total RMB800 for one screw!

After these mediocre experiences, I need some advice on where to find true GFEs for less that US$200 (my favs in California costs only US$160-US$180/pop - irony is that they very pretty mainland chinese girls & they provide BBBJ & DFK!

[Member #4643]

I have read a lot about the Pig & Whistle at the Holiday Inn, Lido. Is the Holiday Inn a girl friendly hotel? It seems that given the fact that the P and W is on premises, it might provide the mongerer with convenient accomodations.

[Mock A Bee]

Ok, to change the subject from Mongolians vs Han Chinese girls a little,

I am in Shanghai this week. I visited the BJ factory the Shanghai forum speaks of and is a good value for quick service. Only 130rmb a shot for a bbbjcim. A great experience to recommend for those who travel to Beijing.

Anyone in Beijing have a report on a place like "The Factory" on Huang Pi Lu (at Fuxing Lu) in Shanghai? I dont' mean a BBS either. Most of those places in Beijing are repulsive.

Thanks

[Mock A Bee]

Regarding Mongolians vs Chinese girls,

I have found that it just depends on the girl. Thanks to Xiaoma's recommendation, I tried Xiao Yu (Chinese girl) several months ago, and she was wetter than wet. She placed my finger just right on her clit so I could masturbater her. She was literally dripping on the floor! DFK, CBJ, GFE, no rush, 600rmb. She was definitely getting into it with me.

The few Mongolians I have tried were into the sex as well, DFK and GFE for sure.

Just my two fen.

[Levitian]

Changshu,

You took your boss to Maggie's? Courageous!

Levitian

[Wicked SH]

Alex, I don't think anybody was really ripping on you. A number voiced their opinions that you overpaid, and everytime one of us overpays it helps to raise the average price. You probably can get the same girl for 1500 or less. Which is still a lot of money in china. I know that in Shanghai the classy well dressed girls can be had for as low as 800, and sometimes even 400, but the 800-1000 is more normal. I have been told that Shanghai is the most expensive area of china for mongering.

You seem like the kind of guy that treats the girls nice and makes them feel good. If you have that reputation you can certainly get a girl for 1500 that matches your requirements. Because as a number of people posted 3000 is alot for a girl even in the U$ of A.

I certainly want to come up to Beijing with you guys and check out a few mongolians in the not too distant future.

[Alex Rock]

I got ripped up for saying I paid 3000 for Passion girls. I've tried the mongolians, including a mongolian student for 200, a new arrival on her first night for 780, but in the end I'd rather pay more for the class and the girls decked out with designer gear and who have nice apartments. Try Shan Shan, Wang Qian (Great English) or Yanzi, they treat you like a king, they're never in a rush and seem to know lots of little tricks the mongolians don't.

The passion lookers seem to have friends they'll refer you to - any time of the day. The mongolians or the girls at Henry Bean's seem more independent or competitive.

Anyhow, I'd rather pay more for a great girl on Satrurday Night and have her stay with me throgh Sunday afternoon, than a mongolian or cheaper girl for 2 hours.

[Kilmarnock]

Tried the Henry J. Beans, Starbucks, Traders Hotel, and Aria circuit last Friday, given that all are near my lodging and w/in a short walk of each other.

Beans had its fair share of women, but most were average or below on looks. Aria had some hotties, but the whole scene there is very expensive. Nothing at all happening in the Traders Hotel Bar. Lastly, Starbucks had little on offer except for its coffee. All in all, not much happening in this next of the woods.

K

[Tequila Kid]

The Zhaolong (Great Dragon) hotel on 3rd ring road opened a new spa/massage center this year. Anybody try it out? Appreciate a report on girls and prices.

Thanks,

ER