Montreal

[Jalimon2]

Of course, I completely understand this. The problem is that too many guys still think that the increased prices are a bargain and I beg to differ. My issue is that if agencies want to increase prices, they also need to make measurable improvements in their service. As it is right now, there are several escorts that are mediocre at best that are at the 240/ HR rate which is ridiculous.

That statement is true. You need to chose wisely as they are still some great one working.

The problem discussing prices is because we have a memory. 2-3 years ago I could get 100-120 half session including CIM with stunningly beautiful indies. Now there is only a few of these girl left and they ask 180-200 for half hour. I had it so good!

[DontMindMe11]

We live under the capitalist system. Prices will go as high as people are willing to pay. If there are people willing to pay more prices will go even higher.

Of course, I completely understand this. The problem is that too many guys still think that the increased prices are a bargain and I beg to differ. My issue is that if agencies want to increase prices, they also need to make measurable improvements in their service. As it is right now, there are several escorts that are mediocre at best that are at the 240/ HR rate which is ridiculous. If you are going to increase prices, at least make sure that the vast majority of the girls that work for you meet a high standard of looks and service and that simply isn't the case anymore in Montreal agencies. There are major discrepancies between the various girls at agencies in terms of their looks and service, but these discrepancies aren't reflected in the price because you can have an absolute star who commands the same rates as a girl I wouldn't even fuck for free. I've met complete duds and their prices were the same as star caliber SPs. In capitalism price and quality tend to scale together, in the SP world this is not the case. But hey, if guys want to pay more for less, by all means.

[TNewton]

Yes, I found it absurd, the reasons offered as you summarized for justification? You let the board members decide if it's tiresome. If it was the thread would die. But no, it was current. And active current events for the board for the scene. There are other, real reasons. Not what was suggested, please. One thing I really don't like is smoke screens.

Well I think one long time poster remarked that it isn't really an Escort review board anymore, but rather an Escort ad board. Any comments that are negative to an agency, even if politely presented, can be removed. Also the fact that there exists a secret black and gray list area that list members who are banned from certain agencies without their knowledge is not fair. Someone placed on that list should be able to defend themselves.

[Turgid]

The pricing is getting ridiculous and people are just standing by and watching it happen. Of course a 20 dollar increase isn't the end of the world, but there was already a price increase last year, and now there is another 20 dollar increase. I'm just saying it's a slippery slope. And then the people that are voicing their concerns are being suppressed and silenced. First of all, why are the mods getting involved in a thread where there was a civil discussion being had about pricing? And who are they to deem it boring and tedious? The topic of pricing obviously wasn't boring because ever since they locked down that very active thread, the lounge section has been a ghost town. Besides, isn't that what the lounge section is for? For discussing basically anything that people want to discuss.

The way I'm responding to this is by being much more picky. I don't feel like taking any chances now with new SP's that aren't reviewed positively and by people I trust. I'm just going to stick to back channel info from now on so I don't end up getting burned by a sorry excuse for an SP with now premium rates. I'm praying for the next one of you fuckers that books a shitty SP for 240 or 250/ HR.

We live under the capitalist system. Prices will go as high as people are willing to pay. If there are people willing to pay more prices will go even higher.

[DontMindMe11]

I see. I did not notice that. The only 260 agency girl in recent memory was casey back in vog back a few seasons now. It was xo who last year wanted to reposition itself as the top tier agency as if it had to, by setting itself at the 230 price point, now not a year from that euphoria moves ahead of that LOL.

They going to push it to see if it works. The only way to tell them no, is don't accept those prices.

I didn't see anything specially better about the outcall location of XO when they explained why the cost increase (to attract best talent they need to pay them more, get wifi on the outcall, prettier apt or whatever).

The pricing is getting ridiculous and people are just standing by and watching it happen. Of course a 20 dollar increase isn't the end of the world, but there was already a price increase last year, and now there is another 20 dollar increase. I'm just saying it's a slippery slope. And then the people that are voicing their concerns are being suppressed and silenced. First of all, why are the mods getting involved in a thread where there was a civil discussion being had about pricing? And who are they to deem it boring and tedious? The topic of pricing obviously wasn't boring because ever since they locked down that very active thread, the lounge section has been a ghost town. Besides, isn't that what the lounge section is for? For discussing basically anything that people want to discuss.

The way I'm responding to this is by being much more picky. I don't feel like taking any chances now with new SP's that aren't reviewed positively and by people I trust. I'm just going to stick to back channel info from now on so I don't end up getting burned by a sorry excuse for an SP with now premium rates. I'm praying for the next one of you fuckers that books a shitty SP for 240 or 250/ HR.

[Kabukicho]

A few of the pre-covid 240 girls are now 260 already. Like Sienna at Euphoria. 260/ HR, jesus we are approaching Toronto prices in Montreal. And I promise you the prices will not be going down after this covid bullshit is over. For me the agency price raise makes little sense because it's not like they will be seeing less volume of clients like the indys would. The 20 dollar increase offers no added protection to agency girls. And to think, in 2017/2018 a lot of agency girls were 200/ HR, this is a bad trend and there are too many people defending it. The only reason people come to Montreal is due to the absurdly favourable price / quality ratio and no other city in North America even comes close to matching it.

I see. I did not notice that. The only 260 agency girl in recent memory was casey back in vog back a few seasons now. It was xo who last year wanted to reposition itself as the top tier agency as if it had to, by setting itself at the 230 price point, now not a year from that euphoria moves ahead of that LOL.

They going to push it to see if it works. The only way to tell them no, is don't accept those prices.

I didn't see anything specially better about the outcall location of XO when they explained why the cost increase (to attract best talent they need to pay them more, get wifi on the outcall, prettier apt or whatever).

[Kabukicho]

It seems that pricing discussions are no longer allowed on the local board.

Our illustrious leader has issued a warning that any discussions On pricing are nothing more than tiresome bitching and will be removed and the individual banned. They should shut the fuck up pay the price or jerk off.

Pricing has become a taboo item on the local board, the only pricing that is important is how many advertisers pay to advertise there.

It seems that board is becoming like a police state you write a very positive review or make nice comments on a lady it is considered shilling, if you write any kind of negative issue then depending on the lady it is either body shaming or insensitive and the white Knights come out in droves to defend.

Yes, I found it absurd, the reasons offered as you summarized for justification? You let the board members decide if it's tiresome. If it was the thread would die. But no, it was current. And active current events for the board for the scene. There are other, real reasons. Not what was suggested, please. One thing I really don't like is smoke screens.

[Kabukicho]

It seems like the US border will remain close until July 21 now.

Even if I am a local that sucks big time. The hobby needs the US client to thrive. Many girl told me over the years they are the best. They pay well and generally less demanding then locals.

I agree its the tourism business that is needed. A visitor on vaca, is on spending mindset in most cases, than not. A local is not as much in that mindset. Then there's the currency disparity.

[Hacsek]

Could we consider changing our expectations? Is man not strong enough to defeat greed?

Perhaps man is, but his dick isn't.

[Member #4665]

Put it into perspective. You tell me which prices are correct. If you are lucky enough to earn 50,000 cad in Montreal after taxes and working weekends you will probably make between 100 and $150 per day. All that I'm after University, speciality training, and years experience.

So how much are providers asking for 1 - 3 hours? These issues can be solved when clients and providers have good negotiating skills. Just think and talk about it.


Concerning the advice given to forum posters by the not too secretive abusive moderators of the green forum...

They should shut the fuck up pay the price or jerk off.

I will jerk off, thank you. I don't suffer from tennis elbow, golf elbow, or repetitive strain elbow injury, so I can jerk off all I want. Greed and pride are the downfall of the hero. d4 damager Power to the forum posters. Peaceful Uprising against the greenking in the vicinity.

Something like this happened a year ago in Berlin. And the king over there steped down and had everyone respect the standard rates. Unfortunately this raise the prices culture is making everyone fall ill. Most noticeably in the real estate industry people want to buy a house for 100,000 paint it. Then sell it for 300,000. Or people expect to buy an apartment and rent it out for $2,000 a month. Entitlement. It may be reality, but this sort of attitudes and expectations are the root cause of the housing crisis. In this case when one benefits excessively, it does a lot of damage to the group as a whole. Could we consider changing our expectations? Is man not strong enough to defeat greed?

[Hacsek]

It seems that pricing discussions are no longer allowed on the local board.

Our illustrious leader has issued a warning that any discussions On pricing are nothing more than tiresome bitching and will be removed and the individual banned. They should shut the fuck up pay the price or jerk off.

Pricing has become a taboo item on the local board, the only pricing that is important is how many advertisers pay to advertise there.

It seems that board is becoming like a police state you write a very positive review or make nice comments on a lady it is considered shilling, if you write any kind of negative issue then depending on the lady it is either body shaming or insensitive and the white Knights come out in droves to defend.

Back to pricing.

The popular local agencies have increased their rates by $20-$30, that in my view is still a bargain especially looking at the gorgeous ladies and services they provide.

Will it last, probably although once the initial wave of pent up horny locals subsides if the borders are not opened there will be a significant decline in hobbyists as many are still scared or have suffered financial losses and may even be unemployed.

The Indies are a whole different story.

Many have increased their rates by $50-$100 and are requiring minimum sessions of 90 minutes to 2 hrs with one even 3 hrs.

That is a significant jump for those who normally book 1 hour sessions.

Will it last, we will see, they are testing the waters.

Personally I will continue to see the indys that I know as they have been very kind to me and I enjoy being with them. I usually book 90 minute sessions anyway.

I will not however see any new indies that have increased their pricing significantly.

If I feel the urge for someone new for the first time I will look towards the 3 popular agencies.

[WyattEarp]

A few of the pre-covid 240 girls are now 260 already. Like Sienna at Euphoria. 260/ HR, jesus we are approaching Toronto prices in Montreal. And I promise you the prices will not be going down after this covid bullshit is over. For me the agency price raise makes little sense because it's not like they will be seeing less volume of clients like the indys would. The 20 dollar increase offers no added protection to agency girls. And to think, in 2017/2018 a lot of agency girls were 200/ HR, this is a bad trend and there are too many people defending it. The only reason people come to Montreal is due to the absurdly favourable price / quality ratio and no other city in North America even comes close to matching it.

I think Toronto agencies were pushing towards 300 before COVID. The agencies need to be careful not to push away customers especially for some of the less popular girls. Toronto seems to have informal pricing tiers. I'm not sure how that works with the girls who are priced at a lower rate. I'm guessing the agency owners have to be very sensitive and good at dealing with all the personalities. I suspect they will continue to bring new girls on at lower prices and let the girl's demand kind of determine whether price increases can be sustained.

As already mentioned by others, how do the price increases work with less visitors to Montreal. In any event, it's a very fluid situation.

[Jalimon2]

It seems like the US border will remain close until July 21 now.

Even if I am a local that sucks big time. The hobby needs the US client to thrive. Many girl told me over the years they are the best. They pay well and generally less demanding then locals.

[DontMindMe11]

Unless the preexisting 240 girls get unhappy and complain that they need to be $260 tier.

A few of the pre-covid 240 girls are now 260 already. Like Sienna at Euphoria. 260/ HR, jesus we are approaching Toronto prices in Montreal. And I promise you the prices will not be going down after this covid bullshit is over. For me the agency price raise makes little sense because it's not like they will be seeing less volume of clients like the indys would. The 20 dollar increase offers no added protection to agency girls. And to think, in 2017/2018 a lot of agency girls were 200/ HR, this is a bad trend and there are too many people defending it. The only reason people come to Montreal is due to the absurdly favourable price / quality ratio and no other city in North America even comes close to matching it.

[Kabukicho]

Girls have risen prices and / or duration minimums because they want to resume in the business, make the same / similar / more as they did pre-covid, (least being less than precovid), but while now reduce their risk. Not yours / ours. Reduce the quantity of us they see, per day of work.

For agencies, there's going to be waves of less client volume (all social events banned all summer, no visitors dumping $ and running, just local customer base) and waves of girls not working periodically as they individually minimize risk dip in and dip out, the agencies rose the girls under who were 240, into that price. These initial weeks of repopening represent pent up demand. Most of those that book will have paid.

I think any realm of price agencies would gave set within the 200-250 range. But the long term, say 2 months from now, I think remains to be seen how busy business will be. Esp if covid does or does not get under control.

Supply of girls versus demand of them, but agencies never lower prices once raised. Prices were raised the last few years already. Perhaps now, they won't raise for the next two-three. Unless the preexisting 240 girls get unhappy and complain that they need to be $260 tier.