Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

Dear J, I loved to read all your posts. Well written and admirably argumented. This citation of Schroedinger is worth an Award by itself.

The only problem is that a long and logical message as yours is useless for those who need it, but needless for those who can understand it.
An old professor of my university once told a dumb student "if you need me to explain this, then you cannot understand my explanation".

Thank you. I'm aware of the contradiction. However, when I write I'm writing for myself. I enjoy the process of combining research with consideration to hopefully produce something either informative or entertaining. Although I'm certain my critics will say I fail in both areas.

[Paulie97]

With Covid, to a dipshit like you, Sweden did it all wrong, but you look at Peru and Covid, and it is way worse there that it ever was or is in Sweden, and Peru was in total lockdown.

You are all over the place pitting Sweden against Peru. Sweden is best compared to their Nordic neighbors because there are great similarities with demographics and the way their societies are constructed. Like the rest of Western Europe all are seeing a decline in confirmed Covid cases and deaths. But these are the death totals as of today, Sweden 5,500, Norway 252, Denmark 600, & Finland 329. All or doing pretty well at the moment, but Sweden in their foolishness arguably caused the needless deaths of 1000's of their citizens, and with no economic benefits to show for it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-...mage-1.4300102

Yes Peru had "total lockdown," by declaration, but widespread non-compliance and wholly inadequate enforcement. Of course a "total lockdown" is meaningless in that scenario. This by the way is the same problem in Colombia, especially in Bogota, and in many parts of the US as well.

[Black Page]

is this a Schroedinger scenario??

Dear J, I loved to read all your posts. Well written and admirably argumented. This citation of Schroedinger is worth an Award by itself.

The only problem is that a long and logical message as yours is useless for those who need it, but needless for those who can understand it.
An old professor of my university once told a dumb student "if you need me to explain this, then you cannot understand my explanation".

[JjBee62]

World Health Organization (WHO) states that close to 800,000 people die due to suicide every year. There are indications that for each adult who died by suicide there may have been more than 20 others attempting suicide. The depression from lost jobs / businesses, retirement accounts, divorce, broken families caused by the Corona Virus will likely cause this number to be 3 times higher. So, 800,000 X 3 = 2,400,000 800,000 (yearly normally occurring) = 1,600,000 suicide deaths attributed indirectly to the Corona virus.

https://www.who.int/mental_health/pr...ideprevent/en/

United Nations study states that the number of hungry people in the world in 2017:821 million or 1 in every 9 people. Other sources state that around 9 million people die of hunger and hunger-related diseases every year. That number will more than triple this year. So 9,000,000 X 3 = 27,000,000 9,000,000 (yearly normally occurring) = 18,000,000. Keep in mind that this year Africa is having a severe locust problem so could be even higher! Virus death takes weeks to die compared to hunger-related of months to years. How do you want to die?.

I enjoyed your post, but there are 2 things I have huge problems with.

"will likely cause this number to be 3 times higher. "

Can you please show your work on that? Have there been any recent studies showing suicide rate has tripled? Is there any historical evidence indicating that suicide rate increases threefold during financial crises? Same thing with hunger and poverty deaths. What methodology was used to determine death rate will more than triple this year?

This is just my gut feeling, don't take offense, it it really feels like you just made up those numbers when you said things will multiply by 3.

Made up numbers hurt us more than they help us. They cause us to improperly allocate our resources and circumvent the process of finding real solutions to problems.

Here's my other complaint with your post. Where were you last year? If suicide is something we need to consider in regards to the coronavirus, shouldn't we have been dealing with it last year? If poverty and hunger need to be part of the discussion, why didn't they matter last year?

This is something people frequently do. They choose a course of action then look for justification for their decision. Unfortunately, you just end up doing what you wanted to do,. Without really considering all the consequences.

Here's an example I've seen many times in recent years. Refugees. There are always refugees looking for a better life away from war, poverty and crime. When anyone mentions helping them, someone replies we have homeless veterans and hungry people already here, and we need to help them first. However, when you agree and ask how much money we should spend fixing our own problems, they don't want to help drug addicts and lazy people. The decision was pre-made, we don't want to help other people. The alternative was a justification, not a commitment to help.

I have nothing to back this with, just my observations, so probably not worth much. It appears to me, the people most worried and most vocal about the shutdown aren't the ones who are already in poverty. It's not the people who are already dealing with hunger. It's the ones who have never known hunger, who have never lived on the edge of desperation, who are worried.

You said it yourself, you would rather be dead than homeless. I've been there before, walking the very fine line between homelessness and being dead. You can see, I chose differently.

When you're struggling every day to put food on the table, when things get worse, you don't really notice, you tighten your belt and you struggle on. Instead of chicken with your rice 3 times a week, you get it once. I've lost track of the number of times I've seen arroz and huevo come up on Facebook recently. All those estrato 1 and 2 prepagos are saying "we grew up eating the bare minimum of food, we can live on it if we have to."

Meanwhile, the people who are used to hopping on a plane whenever they get an urge are lost. They've never had to face the hardship of sitting at home bored. They've never had a situation where they were told "you can't do that."

There is no denying the shutdown will have widespread economic impact. People will be impoverished, families will break up, there will be hardship, pain and depression. People will die, businesses will fail.

However, we've been through this before. Perhaps not in our lifetimes, but our grandparents went through it. Sit down, while there are any left alive, with someone who survived the Great Depression. You won't hear stories of hopelessness and depression. You'll hear stories of pride and accomplishment. You'll hear about families and communities pulling together and overcoming hardship.

What you'll find, if you look, economies always recover (and there's huge money to be made in the recovery).

[Stirling]

Wow, doc Stirling, with all you Dems on here, what is next? Dr. Fauci going to post here?

This is what was published in 2003. The article was entitled Effects of chloroquine on viral infections: an old drug against today's diseases: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(03)00806-5/fulltext

Chloroquine / hydroxychloroquie has a well-studied toxicity profile. The half-century-long use of this drug in the therapy of malaria demonstrates the safety of acute administration of chloroquine to human beings. The use of chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine in rheumatic diseases and for antimalarial prophylaxis showed a low incidence of adverse events during chronic administration of this drug for periods of up to a few years. In these cases, the most serious toxic effect is a macular retinopathy, which depends on the cumulative dose rather than on the daily dose, and permanent damage may be prevented with regular visual monitoring during treatment. 27,28, 29 A recent study30 provided encouraging results on the safety of a high dosage of the drug (up to 500 MG of chloroquine base per day) even during pregnancy.

We conclude that chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine administration presents limited and well-preventable toxicity and may thus result in a low risk / benefit balance at least when it is used in life-threatening conditions.

It is funny even though dexamethasone has a pretty bad side effect profile and a similar mechanism of action, no one mentions side effects but with HCQ, you are going to go blind and have a stroke, and it doesn't work. What is your theory on why the side effect profile of the drug changed?

Because here is my theory: a bunch of Democratic pseudointellectual hacks are afraid that it might work.

The shame of it all is the same political bullshit is happening in Colombia. The mayor of Bogota and Colombian president are competing to see who can be a bigger hard ass on Covid.

You're missing the point. ALL drugs have some degree of toxicity and we can live with some of those risks IF the drug has been shown to provide benefit to the patient. If there's no benefit, why would I subject a patient to any potential adverse effects. Chloroquine and HCQ were used for years to treat malaria because they were effective and the risk / benefit ratio made it worthwhile. No one has used these drugs to treat malaria for decades, virtually all Plasmodium spp. (malaria) are resistant and we have better more effective agents. Yes, HCQ is currently used to treat a number of rheumatological diseases because the drug has been shown to be very effective. As such, any risk associated with the drug is worth taking.

Dexamethasone, along with a number of other systemic steroids have significant side effects. And yes, we prescribe them, but only to patients we feel will significantly benefit from them. Steroids should never be prescribed lightly.

The paper you reference is 17 years old. It suggests that MAYBE, based on HCQ's mode of action, that it might provide some benefit in viral infections. It has been studied in a number of different viral infections since then and no statistical benefit has been found. The recent study by docs at the Henry ford hospital suggesting HCQ is effective in COVID patients is seriously flawed. This study was an observational study and anything but randomized. As well, patients who received hydroxychloroquine were also more likely to get steroids, which appear to help very sick patients with COVID. That is likely to have influenced the central finding of the Henry Ford study: that death rates were 50% lower among patients in hospitals treated with HCQ. The only agent so far to show any promise is remdesivir and even then the advantages appear slight.

Frankly, if HCQ was proven to work in these patients based on sound placebo controlled randomized trials, I would be the first to advocate it for my patients admitted to the ICU. I could care less who's idea it was. But until then, suggesting it is an effective treatment is foolhardy.

Stirling.

[JjBee62]

From the CDC, on the 2018-2019 flu season:

"A total of 18,965 laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported by FluSurv-NET sites between October 1, 2018 and April 30,2019."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weekl...019/Week20.htm

Also from the CDC:

"CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 20182019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza (Table 1)."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

The first set of numbers are the actual numbers confirmed by laboratory testing. The second set of numbers is the estimate put out by the CDC. As I have stated more than once, and as you can find on the CDC website, all pneumonia deaths are added to flu hospitalizations to figure the estimate. They estimate, even after the flu season had ended, almost 500 k hospitalizations when they had the actual number, under 20 k..

Correction:

There were 187 pediatric flu deaths in the 2017-2018 flu season.

[JjBee62]

From the CDC, on the 2018-2019 flu season:

"A total of 18,965 laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported by FluSurv-NET sites between October 1, 2018 and April 30,2019."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weekl...019/Week20.htm

Also from the CDC:

"CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza (Table 1)."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

The first set of numbers are the actual numbers confirmed by laboratory testing. The second set of numbers is the estimate put out by the CDC. As I have stated more than once, and as you can find on the CDC website, all pneumonia deaths are added to flu hospitalizations to figure the estimate. They estimate, even after the flu season had ended, almost 500 k hospitalizations when they had the actual number, under 20 k.

The CDC does not publish the actual, laboratory confirmed Influenza deaths. They do publish pediatric deaths, 111 for 2018-2019, only 137 for 2017-2018.

In comparison:

The cumulative hospitalization rate is 102.5 per 100,000. That comes to 336,000+ COVID-19 hospitalizations in the US since March 1. (Using the 2019 estimated US population of 328 million).

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...iew/index.html

All the information you need is readily available.

[JjBee62]

No, I didn't bet you. You made it up. Just like you made up the flu numbers and just like you made up the thousands of people you know died with AIDS. You going to pay $10,000 for your horrific economic predictions? Because that bet was just as real as the one you made up. You got one in 10 predictions right and you still won't shut up about it. You are so pathetic!!

With Covid, to a dipshit like you, Sweden did it all wrong, but you look at Peru and Covid, and it is way worse there that it ever was or is in Sweden, and Peru was in total lockdown. So the take home is everyone has a lot of opinions and no one really knows what they are doing. Except for you. You have all the answers, a legend in your own mind.

I can recall 500,000 deaths which would make the flu worse than Covid. You see I could pull shit out of my ass and dispute you. You are not the only who can mentally masturbate..

You are so predictable.

Sorry, I'm quoting from memory here, since Mojo deleted all the messages in the other thread. "80,000 people died from the flu. I'll take the under on 80,000 any time. " A few days later I posted I would take the over for $1,000. Several times I posted that would take the over for $1,000. Naturally you never responded, because it would have forced you to venture into reality. It's okay. I knew you would never stick with anything you said. Look at how many times you've danced away from your pronouncements on COVID-19.

For the record, since you're another one who can't handle basic math, 6. Those were my predictions. 6. Not 10.6. Only 6. And only 2 of them mattered. And the 2 that mattered were correct, within a reasonable margin of error.

Now. For the made-up flu numbers. I already posted links to 2 of them. Let's post links to a few now. Meanwhile, better take your HCQ. Looks like a cold sore is about to pop up. I'll see if I can find numbers and links for the states I've lived in. You can't do that, because denial isn't on the map.

Washington state: 245 lab confirmed influenza deaths (2018-2019). 1395 COVID-19 deaths.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/DataandStatis...rveillanceData

California: 588 Lab confirmed influenza deaths (2018-2019) 6708 COVID-19 deaths.

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID...u-Reports.aspx

Idaho: 58 influenza deaths (2018-2019) 98 COVID-19 deaths.

https://healthandwelfare.idaho.gov/H...5/Default.aspx

New Mexico: 49 Influenza deaths (2018-2019) 527 COVID-19 deaths.

https://www.nmhealth.org/data/view/infectious/2263/

Indiana: 113 influenza deaths (2018-2019) (131 for 2019-2020).

2732 COVID-19 deaths.

https://www.in.gov/isdh/22104.htm

No made up numbers here. Although I did pull the COVID-19 numbers from Google, rather than JHU. They are not far off. I settled on 2018-2019 flu season because not all states have updated reports for 2020 and because the numbers should be free from COVID-19 misdiagnosis in January and February.

If you scan through some of the states, you'll find mentioned exactly what I said. They lump all pneumonia deaths with flu deaths because pneumonia is often a side effect of influenza. However, pneumonia is it's own disease and is a side effect of many things. This is where the CDC estimates are so far off.

As for AIDS, didn't need to make anything up there either. A simple search will provide you basic information on Barbara Peabody, her art and her books, including "The Screaming Room. " Looks as if the AIDS, Art, Alive program closed their doors in 1995, so can't provide much there. However, I really don't need to.

Why is it nobody seems to be able to do basic math? I say I saw scores of people die from AIDS and that means thousands to you? So when Lincoln said "Four score and seven years ago" he meant 4007 years ago? I always thought it meant 87 years ago. According to your math, the US was founded in 2144 BC? Damn, them history books were way off.

Sweden? Peru? Did I mention Sweden or Peru? I have made no judgements on Sweden, Peru, Zimbabwe, or any other country. I don't need to. All I needed to do was provide the actual numbers on Influenza deaths compared to COVID-19 deaths. Something anyone, including you, could have done. You don't even need to follow my links. You can go to Google and type it in yourself. I used "<state name recorded flu deaths 2019. " You could just search by state for "Influenza Surveillance report. ".

I love the way you cut out the stuff you can't deny when you quote people. All part of that cognitive dissonance.

I won't repeat all the times you moved the goalposts on your flu comparisons. I will repeat your social distancing flip flops. Got to go with whatever best fits your current "theory. ".

I never made fun of your sex life. I asked for clarification. In your post, which I quoted completely, without needing to cut out anything, you both claimed you were currently with 2 Colombianas and claimed that you weren't with 2 Colombianas because they both wanted to leave. I only want to know how that is possible. I mean if you're with someone, how can you not be with them? If someone leaves, how can they still be there?

But apparently your current sex life is a rather touchy subject. Mine is just fine. I'm getting the exact amount of sex I expect to get, every day and I'm extremely comfortable with that.

You might want to disinfect your screen. From the tone of your post, you clearly were foaming at the mouth when you wrote it.

Keep on demonstrating that mental stability which we've all grown to love.

[Elvis 2008]

Now let's address the "No worse than the flu" bullshit you keep spewing. BTW, I took your "no worse than the flu" bet a long time ago. Remember? 80,000. That was the number of deaths you took the under on. Remember? $1,000. That's what I offered. You seem to be a slow payer. Or more of a guy who spends his life running away from facts in search of a new conspiracy theory.

No, I didn't bet you. You made it up. Just like you made up the flu numbers and just like you made up the thousands of people you know died with AIDS. You going to pay $10,000 for your horrific economic predictions? Because that bet was just as real as the one you made up. You got one in 10 predictions right and you still won't shut up about it. You are so pathetic!!

With Covid, to a dipshit like you, Sweden did it all wrong, but you look at Peru and Covid, and it is way worse there that it ever was or is in Sweden, and Peru was in total lockdown. So the take home is everyone has a lot of opinions and no one really knows what they are doing. Except for you. You have all the answers, a legend in your own mind.

The only number I can recall at the moment is for Indiana, which recorded 131 flu deaths for the most recent season. I don't know what the final CDC estimate is for the same period.

I can recall 500,000 deaths which would make the flu worse than Covid. You see I could pull shit out of my ass and dispute you. You are not the only who can mentally masturbate.

Just one last question. If you're right now with 2 Colombianas in Mexico and both had to leave and you can't even have decent sex with Colombians, is this a Schroedinger scenario? Are the women both there having sex with you and not there having sex with you until someone opens the box?

If I am with them? Go fuck yourself. Are you getting laid right now, asshole? Making fun of my sex life when you don't have one? That is the definition of a pathetic loser.

[LoveItHere69]

World Health Organization (WHO) states that close to 800,000 people die due to suicide every year. There are indications that for each adult who died by suicide there may have been more than 20 others attempting suicide. The depression from lost jobs / businesses, retirement accounts, divorce, broken families caused by the Corona Virus will likely cause this number to be 3 times higher. So, 800,000 X 3 = 2,400,000 800,000 (yearly normally occurring) = 1,600,000 suicide deaths attributed indirectly to the Corona virus.

https://www.who.int/mental_health/pr...ideprevent/en/

United Nations study states that the number of hungry people in the world in 2017:821 million or 1 in every 9 people. Other sources state that around 9 million people die of hunger and hunger-related diseases every year. That number will more than triple this year. So 9,000,000 X 3 = 27,000,000 9,000,000 (yearly normally occurring) = 18,000,000. Keep in mind that this year Africa is having a severe locust problem so could be even higher! Virus death takes weeks to die compared to hunger-related of months to years. How do you want to die?

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...un-report-says

https://www.theworldcounts.com/chall...nger-each-year

https://www.mercycorps.org/blog/quic...-global-hunger

Deaths indirectly caused from the Corona virus in suicides 1. 6 million plus hunger-related 18 million = 19.6 million.

Domestic violence is going way up. The largest reason for divorce is not cheating but money issues. Divorces the next 2 years will skyrocket. Families will fall apart. Tens of millions of children will grow up scared of everything because they grew up in a time that germs are everywhere and everything you touch could kill you.

It appears most the people dying are older and people with other problems (high blood pressure, diabetes). You hear, "But my 12 year old boy was perfectly healthy! No your 230 pound kid was not healthy. He was obese!

You walk down the street, fall, skin your knee. Very superficial. Then swim in dirty water and get infected. The abrasion does not need to be deep. I swear 40% of the people I know smoke cigarettes, pot, or vaping. Your lungs are delicate. That is like falling down and get a small abrasion on your lung so it is easier to get an infection. Again, "But my 17 year old boy was perfectly healthy! No your 17 smoked pot 5 times a week after school and that kid is not going to admit that to his parents or doctor.

People screaming for a vaccine. We have that for the flu and still 1. 2 million die of the flu each year so do not hold your breath for that.

People screaming about we need to save everyone and that everyone's life is important. Sorry different lives have different values. The world does not have endless resources whether it be food, water, medicine, money,. There is a homeless person and a doctor drowning and you can only save one. Which one you saving? Next a 10 year old boy or a 60 year old man? Next two 19 year olds with one who is 300 pound and the other is a hottie? Different values huh?

There are 7.5 billion people on the planet.

If 1 million people die of the virus that means your chance of dying is. 013% and living is 99.98%.

If 10 million people die of the virus that means your chance of dying is. 133% and living is 99.86%.

I would rather takes those odds rather than lose my business, family (divorce), house, etc. I would rather die than be homeless.

The Government Accounting Office (GAO) estimated that the 2008 financial crises cost the USA Economy $22 trillion dollars. That is easily $30 trillion dollars worldwide which mostly just affected Europe, Singapore, and Hong Kong who all traded the bad stocks, funds, bonds, etc. The virus will triple this loss worldwide to $90 trillion because every country is effected and every single person will be effected in one form or another.

Value of each person's life or death.

$90 trillion divided by 1 million dead people = $90 million.

$90 trillion divided by 10 million dead people = $9 million.

https://www.huffpostbrasil.com/entry...-gao_n_2687553

Sorry but shutting down the worlds economy will be studied years from now and will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in history.

[JjBee62]

My data connection in Canada sucks today, so I haven't been able to retrieve much flu data. However, for the first half of the flu season, California had only recorded 70 flu deaths. That number surged in January and February. However, we now know that coronavirus was there at that time. The surge was likely due to COVID-19 deaths being attributed to ILI (Influenza Like Illness) due to no testing and no expectation of coronavirus.

Even with the possible misassignment of cause of death, Coronavirus deaths greatly outnumber flu deaths.

[JjBee62]

Orgasmico, the politics is what is getting in the way of the fucking, and it is frustrating to me. Here you have a virus that is not more deadly than the flu and because of the November election, it has been made into to the second coming of 1918.

When I read about people saying you know you are going to go blind and stroke out with HCQ, it grinds me gears.

In all honesty, you are probably going to run into it. I have had two women (one American, one Colombian) tell me that they have fever and body aches, and they asked me what was wrong. I said they should get tested for everything but they probably have Covid. The American got tested and was negative, but I told her there was a high false negative rate. Both were completely freaked out, but both got over it in 3 days. The American said it was like Strep throat: fever, body aches, and then better. She was pissed that what she had was elevated into a death sentence, and she said, "Man, this is such bullshit. I cannot wait to vote for Trump. "..

I'm not saying she's fat, but apparently we can add "body fat" to the list of things you have zero understanding of. I can see a reasonable amount of body fat in that picture.

Let's start with AIDS, since you've been incredibly stupid about that many times now.

Back in 1984 AIDS was becoming a hot topic. I remember guys asking if it was possible to get it from a mosquito which had bitten an infected person. I saw a lot of hysteria, the same as from the Legionnaire's disease outbreak from a few years earlier.

Early in 1988 I met my wife. Once we were dating she took me to the place where she volunteered. She was an artist and volunteered at an Art Therapy group for people with life threatening illnesses. It was called "AIDS, Art, Alive" and was started by a woman named Barbara Peabody. Her book "The Screaming Room" is an excellent introduction to what it was like to be the mother of one of the first AIDS patients. As you may have figured out, almost everyone in the group was a gay man with AIDS.

From 1988 to 1992 I volunteered along with her. I met most of the guys, heard their stories and watched them fade away and die. I watched the ones who came in having just been diagnosed as HIV positive and ones who came in just a few weeks away from being bedridden. Except for one guy, who had become infected through a blood transfusion, before they started screening for HIV, they had all been promiscuous, lots of partners, no condoms. And one by one they died.

You see, at that time HIV infection was a death sentence. Out of the 150-200 guys who came into the group, to try to cope with the emotional crap that goes along with knowing you're going to die and it's not going to be pretty, not a single one recovered.

However, by 1988 the gay community was taking responsibility to protect themselves. They were hitting the gay bars and bathhouses, handing out condoms, handing out literature and educating people on exactly what the risks were. And that information spread to the straight community as well. Condoms became mainstream. Instead of a taboo subject, condoms became dinner table conversation. And the number of cases began to fall. If not for IV drug users sharing needles, it would have almost disappeared in the US by now.

I remember John. Great guy and incredible artist. He was probably about 50. He only had 3 things on his bucket list. He wanted to reconcile with his mother who had not spoken to him since he came out as gay. He wanted to take a champagne balloon flight. He wanted to host a gazebo art show in his backyard for his friends and family. I remember talking to his mother who broke down crying several times. She would stand before one of his paintings and talk about how much she had missed. I remember John describing the view floating over Del Mar with his dearest friend. I remember the funeral was 3 weeks later.

Then there was David, mid 20's, a mousy little guy who had been a student of a Native American who was preserving his tribe's traditional pottery techniques. He was shy and quiet, but would talk once he got comfortable with you. I remember the day my wife said "I don't know how you will take this, but David told me he thinks you're handsome. I told her I was happy when anyone said I was handsome. I remember the day we learned he was gone.

I also remember the day when (I wasn't there that day) they voted and chose me to come and do live modeling for the group. In case you're wondering, I respectfully declined the request.

Yet it was all a hoax. Getting a few bumps on your dick because you're sensitive to latex is 1,000 times worse than the scores of barely breathing skeletons I personally said goodbye to.

Now let's address the "No worse than the flu" bullshit you keep spewing. BTW, I took your "no worse than the flu" bet a long time ago. Remember? 80,000. That was the number of deaths you took the under on. Remember? $1,000. That's what I offered. You seem to be a slow payer. Or more of a guy who spends his life running away from facts in search of a new conspiracy theory.

No worse than the flu.

The CDC does not track the number of flu deaths. They estimate the number of flu deaths based on the number of flu and pneumonia cases. Cases, not deaths. And they include pneumonia, not just flu, but the estimate is for flu. Every year there are several estimates for the number of deaths, yet never an actual death count, even though they collect the data on the ILI database (Influenza Like Illness).

So to find out how many people really die from the flu, you have to go to every state and find the actual number of deaths. The only number I can recall at the moment is for Indiana, which recorded 131 flu deaths for the most recent season. I don't know what the final CDC estimate is for the same period, but if you break it down per capita, 131 is pretty low for a disease that's just as bad as COVID-19. Fuck. One little town of about 1300 people had 18 COVID-19 deaths. In the 50+ years I've been around that town I don't remember a single flu death. I've asked several people, and nobody else can either.

Just to make certain we're clear: That's 131 times a licensed medical doctor signed a legal document which stated cause of death as influenza. I don't know the current tally, but it's more than 2,650. That's 2,650 times a licensed medical doctor signed a legal document which stated cause of death as COVID-19.

I'm fairly decent with math. For diseases which are basically identical in severity, according to you, these numbers don't seem to be close. Must be a conspiracy, in a deep red state. That's it. When the facts don't match your fantasy, roll out the fucking conspiracies.

Of course those inconvenient numbers only tell part of the story.

We don't close every single school, every single year for the flu season. We don't cancel every large public event. We don't close every mall, every theater, almost every church, all bars, most restaurants, places of employment for millions of people. We don't wear masks and put up plexiglass shields and spray everything with disinfectant. We don't put marks on the ground 6 feet apart and control the number of people allowed in the store, or pay employees to sanitize shopping carts. We don't do any of those things for the flu and we still only had 131 flu deaths; slightly more than the number of murders for Indianapolis.

Yet, even though we did all those things, 2650+ COVID-19 deaths, in half the time. Yet it's "no worse than the flu. "

I understand where you're coming from. I used to drink heavily, so I can relate to your thought process. This is all very inconvenient to you. You can't go everywhere you want to go. You can't do everything you want to do. Your financial situation is possibly threatened. Your reaction is exactly the same as the drunk at the bar who has just been cut off. The problem isn't real. It's just a conspiracy. Deny, bluster, cry, throw a tantrum and then stagger off to find someone who will agree with you.

Eventually you'll either have to go crawl under a rock or come face to face with your bullshit. 10 weeks ago COVID-19 wasn't even as bad as the average flu season. A week later it was just as bad as the average flu season. Then it was no worse than a bad flu season, not as bad as the worst flu season, no worse than the worst flu season and now, nowhere near as bad as the worst pandemic in the history of this country.

You've gone from saying we needed social distancing to saying social distancing did no good, and now back to blaming the surge on relaxing social distancing rules.

And you spew out crap in order to make tenuous connections, anything to support your lunacy. Like the old study on the effectiveness of HCQ on viral infections. Halle-fucking-lujah. We're all saved! Apparently, every single fucking virus can be cured with HCQ. HIV? HCQ. HPV? HCQ. HSV? HCQ. Got genital warts? HCQ. Norovirus, rotavirus, adenovirus, measles, rubella, shingles, smallpox, chikungunya plus all the strains of Hepatitis. HCQ.

All along the only fucking thing we needed was to dose everyone with HCQ, 500 MG daily and we'd all be immortal. Forget the X-Men, the Avengers the Guardians of the Galaxy. We would all be part of the HCQ League. Fighting crime and fucking hookers.

Just one last question. If you're right now with 2 Colombianas in Mexico and both had to leave and you can't even have decent sex with Colombians, is this a Schroedinger scenario? Are the women both there having sex with you and not there having sex with you until someone opens the box?

[Knowledge]

Yeah, me too, I come here to take a break from the girls. It's not fun to sort through all the political neuroses. There are more than enough places on the Internet for guys to get that out of their systems. It's boring, especially the clumsy ploys to steer any and every conversation to the beliefs that make them comfortable. Please take it someplace else.

+1.

Medellin seems to be the only last vestige of guys having sex with girls on ISG and I come here to live vicariously during the draught. More fucking and less of the rest. I beg you! 🙏.

[Elvis 2008]

How about more of this and you guys take the political and medical BS to the Chit Chat thread LOL.

https://flyheight.com/videos/jmyt5o/

Orgasmico, the politics is what is getting in the way of the fucking, and it is frustrating to me. Here you have a virus that is not more deadly than the flu and because of the November election, it has been made into to the second coming of 1918.

When I read about people saying you know you are going to go blind and stroke out with HCQ, it grinds me gears.

In all honesty, you are probably going to run into it. I have had two women (one American, one Colombian) tell me that they have fever and body aches, and they asked me what was wrong. I said they should get tested for everything but they probably have Covid. The American got tested and was negative, but I told her there was a high false negative rate. Both were completely freaked out, but both got over it in 3 days. The American said it was like Strep throat: fever, body aches, and then better. She was pissed that what she had was elevated into a death sentence, and she said, "Man, this is such bullshit. I cannot wait to vote for Trump. ".

By the way, I am actually with two Colombians right now in Mexico, and Covid ruined this trip. Neither of these two was my first choice. My first choice was thrilled to come and then had a panic attack about Covid prior to getting on the airplane from Mexico City. The reason I invited these two is that I hoped one would show up, but they both did. Everything was great the first day. We were having fun and then one gets a phone call and learns her family has been hit by Covid. She feels guilty about having a good time and has to go back to CDMX to meet with a lawyer and find a way to get home to her family RIGHT NOW. She thinks her 50 year old mother is as good as dead. Gee, I wonder why she would think that? She is inconsolable. Her mother is going to die.

So one says she has to leave. Then the other says "Well, I have to leave too then. " I tell them fine but you are getting half of what we agreed on. They are beside themselves, but I hold firm. This is how bad things are: hookers want Covid severance pay.

So I am sorry dude, but this is what the world has come to. I saw the same thing happen with AIDS. A bunch of gays got into government and realized that the only way they could get AIDS funding was to scare the shit out of straight people and man did it work. Even today, some people think that having straight sex without a condom means you are going to get AIDS and die.

The bigger girl in the picture is a boxer. She has zero body fat and is a helluva roll in the hay. The skinnier one was not as good but was decent company. But now thanks to Covid hysteria, I can't have decent sex with a Colombian in Mexico.

[Black Page]

In March it was 100,000 deaths by May, then 120,000 by June, then 150,000 by August, and now the most recent one yesterday was 208,000 by November.

As of today, July 8, it is 134,027 deaths in USA (including those who take chloroquine or bleach) and 547,632 in the world.

3 M detected cases in USA over a population of 328 M is less than 1%, so there is still a big improvement margin available for Dem plots and fake news.