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07-13-20 12:15 #963
Posts: 22398Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
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07-13-20 09:20 #962
Posts: 1173Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
http://www.ciis.org.cn/english/2011-...nt_4635120.htm
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...d-for-decades/
https://www.aclu.org/issues/smart-ju...-incarceration
https://chomsky.info/20110824/
Enjoy.
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07-13-20 00:23 #961
Posts: 6730And lets not talk about the Amish.
Plus, this can be found all over the world, and has nothing to do with Asia, nor east Asia. Studies performed in Bangladesh regarding microloans given out to highly religious women by the Grameen Bank of Bangladesh found that religious cult mindsets made people more likely to hold their words, and pay back their loans. But there were also massive downsides to this way The Grameen Bank operated (and still do to some degree). I am sure you can google that, but it leads to never ending poverty on large scale. And this is also seen with the black economy in China.
Furthermore, in Africa and South America, simillair cases has been seen, although not documented as well as with the Grameen Bank. The Freemasons of Europe for example, are notorious for having this belief that following a religion (christianity especially) are a massive net positive for capitalism as a whole due to these exact very same reasons. But they are essentially a cult. At every level. And this can be said about all the brotherhoods of christian europe. And even Skull and Bones in USA etc etc. And they all consider age first, then other ranks later. And these types of Cult Mindsets are always the same, and always dangerous.
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07-13-20 00:11 #960
Posts: 6730Given automation, there is no such thing as a demographic problem any longer. And due to the continuation of Moore's Law for the next 40 years due to 3 the stacking and new materials, the world will change its rules faster than you might think. So these old history studies are about to be dated. And we are about to enter the world of AI. And in this environment, I am starting to believe that a one world government is most likely the only way forward. Unless we want a global WW3 on our hands.
When it comes to these cultural differences Chongmal talks about, that is just one more of these "we are better than them" stories. And as much as BLM has something to it, such stories must also go. Because they are fake mindsets going forward, and only a source of racism.
They have also zip zero nothing to do with race or background, but a result of brainwashing. If you look at certain christian white european societies, such as the Mormons, Assemblies of God, Jehowas Witnesses or International Church of the Foursquare Gospel etc etc etc for example, you will find exactly the same stories as you just alluded to.
However, the term we use to describe these religious groups in university literature, are religious cults. And some might say, dangerous cults. Like in the book by Steven Hassan "Combatting Cult Mindcontrol", which looks at how Jehowas Witnesses live as an example. And on the same notion, as you are just alluding to, certain minority groups do operate exactly like as if they were culturally mindcontrolled cults. And that very notion is therefore also very dangerous.
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07-12-20 21:01 #959
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
Contrast that to a white factory worker in West Virginia who has seen his wages stagnate, while cost of living has increased. Or maybe he lost his job and the right wing media outlets and social media told him that the socialist liberals are to blame. Such a person might consider joining an extremist group, even if on paper, he makes four times more than migrant worker in China. That's human nature, like you say. He feels he deserves better.
Given history, we know that civil war has happened in USA. That was obviously the USA's greatest existential crisis. On a scale of the 1 to 10 that was a 10. How would you characterise the current moment? And in relation to previous periods of social unrest in USA?
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07-12-20 19:47 #958
Posts: 1385McAdonis,
One more thing. The average American may be thinking China steals technology and that would be accurate. They do, from US and from Europe as well. Is that the only thing average American knows about China? Who can say? But the thing is that the policy makers, company CEOs, investment professionals, economists et al know quite well about China. They are not underestimating China because they think China only steals and not much otherwise. Trump's Hua Wei ban is very much driven by an acute fear of China advancing too much. We are now trying to sop their 5 G development as much as possible.
So, no we are not sleeping at the wheel. We did. I said so in a prior post, that we partnered with them and let them advance too much and provided help in their advancement which hurt us. But many Americans have a good idea of the dangers posed by China. The average American is not involved in making policy decisions and the ones making them have a good idea.
Look, the largest Chinese company I. E Alibaba is listed on our exchange. We have dozens of key Chinese companies which sell their stock mainly on US exchanges. Our analysts and investors and portfolio managers speak to them every day. Safe to say, we are not unaware of them.
And BTW, there is always an excessive focus on Americans, our people, out thinking, our flaws, our mistakes. I don't believe the average anyone, be it European / Japanese / Chinese whatever it may be, is anymore enlightened about other nations. Yes, everyone knows about US, we seem to be the focus of curiosity of all around the globe. How educated is average German or French about the dangers posed by China to their economies? Why did Germans allow their networks built with Hua Wei, when Ericsson and Nokia are European? Why is Germany allowing technology theft and transfer to China? Why are German citizens OK with German companies setting up JVs with Chinese companies through which technology is transferred to China?
As for strife and unrest in China. It is a thuggish, totalitarian society. People know they will disappear if they say the wrong word. In Xinjiang, people cannot step out the door w / o being on camera. Now HK is going the rest of the mainland. China is an existential threat to many Western societies in the long run.
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07-12-20 17:49 #957
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by Chongmal [View Original Post]
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07-12-20 17:23 #956
Posts: 970Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
1. Inequalities are a thing, but I feel certain cultures thrive on them while others settle in to the situation. I will focus on Chinese, or rather the Asian culture, in the USA since you mentioned underestimating the Chinese. I have observed that within the Asian culture there is a high level of drive to generate respect of elders and peers. I think this is largely cultural, demanded from birth. I have been in social situations where the first focus is on Age, then Job title, then wealth, etc. Once this order is sorted the evening can proceed. This social programming extends into education and business. Striving to move up that social stack drives younger Asian students to succeed. It also drives Asian parents to drive their children.
On the business side of things, I have seen Asians approach things differently than what I see in Western European Americans, aka Whites. Whites go to the bank, try to get a loan, work on their own to save money to start up. I have observed Asians making near total sacrifice to get momentum. Following are real scenarios. A Korean family in California wanted to open a restaurant. They went to the corner store, owned my Koreans, bought ice cream, ordered coffee with the store owner, had a meeting and walked out with the cash to start the restaurant. Interest rates are higher than at a bank, and they had a wonky repayment where they paid interest only until they could pay the entire amount borrowed in lump sum. This is an example of Koreans helping Koreans progress, even though they are making money in doing so. Another example I saw was in Salt Lake City. A Chinese family bought a house, five Chinese families moved in. They all worked jobs, made the payments, and saved money. At the point where is was affordable, They bough another house and part of them moved over. The original investors still worked and pooled their money together to help pay for the properties. This continued until all families were moved into nicer neighborhoods instead of staying in poorer inner city areas. My last example I observed in Italy. I lived across from a Asian sweatshop of sorts. People would come in, sew all day and all night. They lived and worked in the same communal building. As time progressed, people saved enough money and managed to gain a legal status. Children went off to school, learning Italian and translating for their parents. I'm sure what I saw was close to human trafficking but the people went into this for options to improve their lives.
The reason I point these things out, even though they pass both state and international borders, is that it demonstrates how different cultures address inequalities, some thrive on fighting to overcome it while others let the inequalities for their future.
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07-12-20 17:06 #955
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by RickRock [View Original Post]
https://www.ft.com/content/d2d76a6f-...1-1c7dcea4c26f
"National identity is what separates the US and UK from other English-speaking democracies. Australia and New Zealand, which have been models of competence against Covid-19, are relatively young nations that struggled until recently to shed their "cultural cringe" to mother England. Canada's self-image is bound up with not being America.
The pandemic record of these three English-speaking democracies belies the notion that "Anglo-Saxon cultures" are too individualistic to stick to social distancing. If New Zealanders and Australians can wear masks, so could Americans and British. Ignoring common sense never used to be an anglophone stereotype. What separates the US and the UK from other democracies is extravagant self-belief. *Half a millennium of potted history tells Anglo-Americans they are destined always to be on the winning side. It blinds both to how the rest of the world increasingly views them, which is with sadness and growing mockery. *.
After pride comes the fall. What is the remedy? Just as humans can learn from their mistakes, nations can recover from episodes of overconfidence. Some scholars have likened America and Britain's premature relaxation of social distancing to a failure of Stanford University's marshmallow test. Five-year-olds were offered the choice between one marshmallow now or two marshmallows a few minutes later. Most children chose to eat one now. Follow-up studies showed that kids who resisted temptation proved far more successful in their adult lives. Much the same applies to the fate of our pandemic economies. *".
Anyway, I don't think many Americans are proud of US response to Covid, and polls reflect this. That said, to claim the richest, most powerful country in the world is on the way out and "The US is clearly on the way out. No serious observers anywhere on earth suggest otherwise. " is not a serious comment. Believe it if you want. Europe is NOT a country. It is a fractious group of nations thinking they have something in common, and half agreeing sometimes and bickering other times; in any case, they are floundering just as badly as US if not worse in general for many years and still have and't recovered from 2008 crisis very well. Unemployment rates in so many EU nations is just terrible.
If not US and EU, then who? Japan? Please -- it is very diminished, 2/3 of US GDP per capita, and 1/4 of our GDP and has been stuck in a no growth zone for 30+ years. If it is China, OK fine, keep your views, I wrote a lengthy response to McAdonis.
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07-12-20 16:55 #954
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Look, US will never be the most equitable. That is not a system we chose. On GINI index, we will always show worse than all Scandis for sure, worse than most of the Europeans and worse than even some developing nations. In a capitalist set up like ours with limited welfare state, the price you pay is that some people get richer and some fall behind. In times of stress, there is naturally some extra focus on the ones fallen behind when they die / riot etc. To think that results in some kinda revolution is a folly. Again, if you are confident, put down a date and tell us when this revolution will happen and what type of revolution? That is an impossible one to predict.
Yes, China is formidable, and we are concerned. Concerned, not scared. It is still quite poor. They perfected one system, became richer. They are like a Spanish clay court player who learned how to hit a forehand well and improved rank, but will that win them Wimbledon or will they become stagnant at #50 in the world as most SPanish tennis players do (there is only one Rafa). Many economists are skeptical if China can escape the middle income trap. They are reaching the upper level of the range commonly used for defining that trap. We will see. Countries are pushing and striking back. US-China trade relations have taken a turn and tough to see them going back to where they used to be, Trump or no Trump. UK is getting turned off. Trade w / Aus likewise is taking a turn for the worse. Their export led model is probably not enough to support prior levels of growth. They have antagonized almost all their neighbors and partners. FT, WSJ, other media have written tons of articles on this, I am not going to copy links to all of them, but they are there. We are concerned about China as a nation but their people are still way below us; yes, when you made $5,000/ year 10 years ago and now $9,000 then you are bound to be optimistic, where as if I made $64 K last year and $62 K this year I may be dissatisfied. That is human nature. But no one can say $9 K is better than $62 K.
BTW, the so called Chinese prowess in AI is not necessarily a given. THere is a lot of media froth. AI's value is enhanced when there is more and bigger data sets. China has 4 times more population. They have a regressive regime doing facial recognition. It does not mean they lead AI. Please don't copy links, I know what the media articles that are in free domain and can be copy / pasted will say. The reality is that China does not have the building blocks of that -- they have no semiconductor chips, their software companies are woeful, they still use US / EU / JP / KR made components to build their systems.
I wish Europe had more dynamic people and eco systems. They are highly educated, but somehow or other not sufficiently risk taking. Why is there not enough new company formation? Why are they lagging so badly in tech? Germany has perfected the auto / industrial economic engine but run the risk that technology changes will disrupt. Many thinktanks produced reports that say by 2050 a dominant share of global autos will be EV based and unit volumes will be below current trend lines (will still grow but not as much as they could have) due to driverless / ride sharing. What will Germany do? And a huge chunk of their industrial exports were trying to help China grow the manufacturing in China. Cutting / welding / stamping machines, assembly lines, etc etc. At some point, China might stop move up the technology chain and make those systems internally; as it is, China requires a JV with every German company trying to set up shop in China and Germany is continually doing technology transfer. I hope Germans know they are giving away their crown jewels to China over time. Korea on the other hand has never done that, being Asians they know exactly what China can do.
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07-12-20 16:46 #953
Posts: 970Originally Posted by Turgid [View Original Post]
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07-12-20 16:39 #952
Posts: 5701Originally Posted by Wanking [View Original Post]
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07-12-20 15:08 #951
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by HammerTime96 [View Original Post]
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07-12-20 14:22 #950
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
Compared to you, I seem to emphasize the social tensions and perceived inequalities more. The pandemic and social media shed brought these issues center stage, and extremist media on both sides probably exacerbated the divide. At some point, the inequality issue needs to be addressed. I am not saying running a country is like running a company, but if too many employees feel "left behind" or that they have "no skin in the game", they either disengage or actively sabotage. If my company is paying the highest average salary, is that the best metric to use? When employees start to feel upward mobility is not possible because the system is stacked against them, they give up. Perhaps, it is a matter of perception. By most metrics, a young rural White American or urban Black American is "richer" than your average Chinese migrant worker in Shanghai, but the latter is imbued with a sense of optimism for the future, if not for his own economic prospects, but for that of his children. Because USA has been the richest nation on earth for the past 75 years, does that create a sense of entitlement? Have working class Americans been spoiled? IDK. Are these anti-American beliefs?
Here is some "negativity" on China: the average Chinese is still poor by OECD standards, but what they have witnessed is 40 years of economic progress at breakneck speed. For that reason, your average millennial Chinese is politically apathetic. At some point, economic progress will stall, and I predict China would enter a period of strife once that happens, which if not managed correctly could lead to its downfall.
I do not deny USA's strengths. Trillion dollar companies, innovation, military, reserve currency, most talented immigrants, best universities. But historically all empires have fallen, so a country should not adopt a "back-to-back World champions" mindset, because it breeds complacency. There is always room for improvement. A healthy fear of China is good for the USA. I get the impression that many Americans believe China is only capable of stealing technology. That might be an outdated belief in 2020. To me, it would be better to overestimate the technical prowess of China, rather than underestimate it, because it would create a "Sputnik" moment.
There is a lagging effect between the decisions made today and the outcomes of the future. Case in point: the Space Race galvanised American policy makers to invest and prioritise STEM as early as 1955. This surplus of scientific talent helped USA develop the precursor to the Internet in the 1960's. So decisions made in 1955 helped create Silicon Valley, which helps to keep GDP per capita high even in 2020. If China wins the AI race in 2025, it is conceivable they would hit highest GDP per capita shortly after, and maybe even leverage that early technological lead to maintain the highest GDP per capita for 50 years beyond that, while being effectively resting on its laurels.
TBH, I was already bearish on EU's economic future, but primarily just based on their demographics problem. You gave me some additional points to ponder. Returning to what you said about the last 15 years, what metrics do you use when you say the USA lead over Germany has grown?
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07-12-20 11:29 #949
Posts: 49Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]