German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Adindas]

I was with wow aura, Muslim Iranian beauty in GT Vienna, 26 yo, for 5 years in business, but so many taboos for really intimate sex, I felt I was with a virgin who doesn't know anything about sexuality. Same with many Romanians, really poor sexuality in Romania. Sexuality is not only being fucked, but a bit of knowledge, best is to learn with partner, for love for partner. So many times, girls look at me with big round eyes when touching them, for sure, despite being fucked whole day, but they discover some foreplay.

If she is already five years in business than it is more to do with attitude rtaher than taboo. You could find any girl from any nationality, religion behaving like that. They just want an easy money without minimum effort. They best way to do is not to give them a repated business, name and shame them so other guys will avoid them as well.

[ExpatLover]

I was with wow aura, Muslim Iranian beauty in GT Vienna, 26 yo, for 5 years in business, but so many taboos for really intimate sex, I felt I was with a virgin who doesn't know anything about sexuality. Same with many Romanians, really poor sexuality in Romania. Sexuality is not only being fucked, but a bit of knowledge, best is to learn with partner, for love for partner. So many times, girls look at me with big round eyes when touching them, for sure, despite being fucked whole day, but they discover some foreplay.

Reply EL: most of the mongers are married or have GF, they don t want to take health risk by doing oral. They just want to fuck, come and go to another girl or home.

[Sirioja]

A user from Lusthaus posted a link to a study on the Swedish model of prostitution conducted by the German Ministry of Health. The user summarizes that although Swedish model has some advantages, it criticizes the bad science behind them and wouldn't benefit prostitutes in the event of a ban. Link to study in German:https://www.bundestag.de/resource/bl...9-pdf-data.pdf.

Swedish model is to prosecute clients, so, drunk Swedish go on sex boats between Sweden and Tallin Estonia. France also prosecute clients when prostitution is still legal with many escorts agencies advertising or girls in streets close to very chic and very expensive Paris 16th district.

[Sirioja]

Both Pussy and cock do not have religion. But both are a perfect match.

Also, when mongering, you never ask someone else religion. What mater is whether both parties attract each other. Attraction is not necessarily from look but could also come from money.

I was with wow aura, Muslim Iranian beauty in GT Vienna, 26 yo, for 5 years in business, but so many taboos for really intimate sex, I felt I was with a virgin who doesn't know anything about sexuality. Same with many Romanians, really poor sexuality in Romania. Sexuality is not only being fucked, but a bit of knowledge, best is to learn with partner, for love for partner. So many times, girls look at me with big round eyes when touching them, for sure, despite being fucked whole day, but they discover some foreplay.

[Adindas]

The jealousy goes as far back as to the beginning of religion itself, and from when the 'angels' came down to fuck with human women. As seen in all religions since old Sumeria. So it is kinda based on racism too.

Both Pussy and cock do not have religion. But both are a perfect match.

Also, when mongering, you never ask someone else religion. What mater is whether both parties attract each other. Attraction is not necessarily from look but could also come from money.

[Turgid]

I think that the main reason does not have to do with the visitors but the girls. None of them will use mask or take hygiene measures because they give a shit to all this when it comes to the colour of money, let's be realistic.

FKK clubs cannot work with measures, it will be either like before or they close.

Covid 19 affects older people. Young people infected with the virus are unaffected physically and most show no symptoms. The working girls are all young. The party that should be most concerned are the older mongers.

[Bfsie]

Is there a second level appeal process after first level of rulings?

I am not sure. I will post more about this here if I find out more.

[Rocky V]

A user from Lusthaus posted a link to a study on the Swedish model of prostitution conducted by the German Ministry of Health. The user summarizes that although Swedish model has some advantages, it criticizes the bad science behind them and wouldn't benefit prostitutes in the event of a ban. Link to study in German:https://www.bundestag.de/resource/bl...9-pdf-data.pdf.

Good to hear. Although the German model is not perfect, a very restrictive model like the Swedish one leads to more girl exploitation and crime. Long live the FKK model!

[BaltiX]

A user from Lusthaus posted a link to a study on the Swedish model of prostitution conducted by the German Ministry of Health. The user summarizes that although Swedish model has some advantages, it criticizes the bad science behind them and wouldn't benefit prostitutes in the event of a ban. Link to study in German:https://www.bundestag.de/resource/bl...9-pdf-data.pdf.

[Akibono]

The main argument from the brothel owners was that because the massage parlors and other body-contact business like tattoo studios and nail salons are allowed to reopen, the brothels with "hygiene concept" should have the same rights and be allowed to reopen due to the similiarity. "Hygiene concept" is mainly defined as collecting personal info of prostitute visitors such as phone number and email address and wearing masks during the sessions as required by the government measures for other body-contact business.

The main reasoning for the rejections by the courts was that prostitute visitors will not give real personal info because they are afraid that their wives, relatives, friends and other people will know they visited prostitutes. In a few cases the judges also believe that wearing masks during sex is unrealistic.

While I do hope the clubs would open, the courts and the governments are right. With fresh outbreaks everywhere, brothels are a significant risk that is hard to mitigate. In general, the sex industry creates a lot of problems from trafficking to money laundering. That is why they are frequently targeted. It is not just the feminist argument. But they do serve a place in society too. What we have consistently seen with the virus is short term decisions made with the emphasis on profits do not work. If an outbreak is traced to a brothel, you can expect them all to be shut down. Brothels have many high risk factors. Travelers from distant places. No social distancing and difficulty of using masks as well as confined areas. None of this is favorable in controlling the virus. The best hope is driving the number of infections very low, to non-existent, in as great an area as possible and restricting mobility. Escorts are a better option at this time.

[Sirioja]

Your health is important to us that's why we close our club temporarily.

Stay healthy, we're looking forward to see you soon.

Your Artemis-Team.

Good for me Artemis is closed, because I could find at Globe a elegant new beauty, as rare as pandas now at Globe, much prettier face than Linda, Megan level for face, and really lovely with good manners. Just miss little Romanian spark, but real pleasure with such sophisticated beauty, I drive and pay for this. Despite 2 hours of engine mechanic going to Zurich, since 50000 kms I don't know how I will succeed to make it reliable, but as I told her at the end of our discovery, I returned on next week end, I always try to respect my promise, even in brothels.

[Pessimist]

Unfortunately, mongers, WGs, brothel operators do not have much political influence. Protests from stigmatized, marginalized populations like us would fall on deaf ears. Not only that, the number of mongers is numerically small, and the amount of mongers who would openly identify as mongers to support a "Monger Lives Matter" movement would be even smaller. For issues such as reopening (or legalization), it requires the support of "outsider" parties (social workers, politicians). Would be curious to see the turn out of this protest in Cologne on 29th: https://allevents.in/cologne/hurende...00019940576753.

When participating in such polls about activities that are not socially acceptable, some men might lie. This is a valid argument. I assume their surveying methodology would allow for some anonymity. Perhaps a written survey that one can fill out without providing their name. About ten percent of men in Germany visit brothels. Amongst the men who admitted to visiting brothels, 35 percent go at least once a month. Perhaps we need to increase the estimate by 25 percent to get the "actual numbers": https://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/u...id_834202.html.

We keep debating this. There has never been a time in the history of any nation I am aware of, where a majority of men proudly and openly admitted to being mongers, or a lot of ladies admitted to being prostitutes. It has always had a stigma attached to it and yet is the world's oldest profession and is one of the most recession proof activities. In a prior post, you simply said there was more support in 2002 and somehow things changed because they expected some improvement due to legalization and instead were turned off by the trafficking. While no doubt there is some reevaluation and some disappointment, I think that is too much of a glib explanation. Personally, I am willing to wait and see how this turns out and not be despondent immediately. I am more of an incrementalist and do not trust forecasts of massive step changes.

[Pessimist]

The main argument from the brothel owners was that because the massage parlors and other body-contact business like tattoo studios and nail salons are allowed to reopen, the brothels with "hygiene concept" should have the same rights and be allowed to reopen due to the similiarity. "Hygiene concept" is mainly defined as collecting personal info of prostitute visitors such as phone number and email address and wearing masks during the sessions as required by the government measures for other body-contact business.

The main reasoning for the rejections by the courts was that prostitute visitors will not give real personal info because they are afraid that their wives, relatives, friends and other people will know they visited prostitutes. In a few cases the judges also believe that wearing masks during sex is unrealistic.

Interesting. Thanks for that. Seems like the rationale of judges is sound and also practical.

Seems like they are concerned about spread of the virus, as much as the first contact itself. I. e. Not whether a guy / girl catches corona from the girl / guy or another monger but also whether it can traced afterwards? I guess the masks during sex issue shows some concern for the former.

Of course if you actually ask any real monger if mask during sex is likely, I think the chance they will say "fuck no!" is very high, LOL. Not to mention, those masks are so stifling even during normal store visits etc, if a guy is pumping the girl vigorously during sex w / a mask, he might suffer real breathing problems.

Is there a second level appeal process after first level of rulings?

[McAdonis]

In FKKs the customers were happy and the working girls were happy. The only people who were unhappy were the impotent men and frigid women in authority.

Unfortunately, mongers, WGs, brothel operators do not have much political influence. Protests from stigmatized, marginalized populations like us would fall on deaf ears. Not only that, the number of mongers is numerically small, and the amount of mongers who would openly identify as mongers to support a "Monger Lives Matter" movement would be even smaller. For issues such as reopening (or legalization), it requires the support of "outsider" parties (social workers, politicians). Would be curious to see the turn out of this protest in Cologne on 29th: https://allevents.in/cologne/hurende...00019940576753.

Do you have proof that only a small percentage of population pays for sex? Given the amount of sex workers and establishments in a country like Germany I think it's more common than you think, but not too many people will admit paying for sex

When participating in such polls about activities that are not socially acceptable, some men might lie. This is a valid argument. I assume their surveying methodology would allow for some anonymity. Perhaps a written survey that one can fill out without providing their name. About ten percent of men in Germany visit brothels. Amongst the men who admitted to visiting brothels, 35 percent go at least once a month. Perhaps we need to increase the estimate by 25 percent to get the "actual numbers": https://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/u...id_834202.html.

[Alessandro527]

The main argument from the brothel owners was that because the massage parlors and other body-contact business like tattoo studios and nail salons are allowed to reopen, the brothels with "hygiene concept" should have the same rights and be allowed to reopen due to the similiarity. "Hygiene concept" is mainly defined as collecting personal info of prostitute visitors such as phone number and email address and wearing masks during the sessions as required by the government measures for other body-contact business.

The main reasoning for the rejections by the courts was that prostitute visitors will not give real personal info because they are afraid that their wives, relatives, friends and other people will know they visited prostitutes. In a few cases the judges also believe that wearing masks during sex is unrealistic.

I think that the main reason does not have to do with the visitors but the girls. None of them will use mask or take hygiene measures because they give a shit to all this when it comes to the colour of money, let's be realistic.

FKK clubs cannot work with measures, it will be either like before or they close.