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08-13-20 17:19 #48409
Posts: 1222Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
"Yet I still got six "NO" replies to BBFS in a row even though I offered 2,500 - 3,000 baht from new girls".
The point I was making was these 6 new girls who refused I believe felt there were associated health / pregnancy risks.
Girls say no but you say later most do bare body. If true why when they say no initially? You explanation which if true is sad reflection on our fellow mongers.
1)"Most punters who get bareback here get it after tying up her time, plying her with many drinks, leading up to crunch time in the room where if she doesn't watch her step she has every reason to believe she might be put out with little or no money for her whole night. That is, if she is sober enough to think much about it at all".
2)"manipulation techniques we read about on these threads from guys who apply them".
Invisible Man.
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08-13-20 11:38 #48408
Posts: 5446Originally Posted by Franciscass [View Original Post]
And, mind you, I am the rare punter who actually negotiates these things early enough for the girl to very easily say "NO" and choose another customer without her having invested important hours of her selling time with me. Most punters who get bareback here get it after tying up her time, plying her with many drinks, leading up to crunch time in the room where if she doesn't watch her step she has every reason to believe she might be put out with little or no money for her whole night. That is, if she is sober enough to think much about it at all.
Otherwise known as "go with the flow and see what happens in the room."
I have little doubt a high percentage of the girls who say "NO" to me when I give them all the time and opportunity in the world to say "NO" if she has any qualms about it at all would probably go along with it if only I applied some of the manipulation techiques we read about on these threads from guys who apply them and claim a 90%-100% success rate in getting BBFS. "Go with the flow and see what happens in the room" figuring highly on the list of methods.
Franciscass, you'll just have to face the fact that many, many, I'll even say most Thai P4P girls here, easily a high percentage of the ones you and I would ever meet, are engaging in BBFS with customers.
The fact that you don't get it from the girls you take because you don't request or push for it and my percentage of getting it is lower than it easily would be only because I choose not to apply the popular methods of manipulation that virtually every other BBFS-seeking punter I know applies to it means almost nothing.
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08-13-20 04:35 #48407
Posts: 1222Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
I have to say ET and I don't know if you would agree or not that it says something when girls even with some financial difficulties in their lives are still wisely not willing to risk their health going bareback. While you with your testing and other safeguards are most likely perfectly safe to shag BB this is not the situation with all potential customers.
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08-13-20 03:41 #48406
Posts: 5446Originally Posted by Crocodilexp [View Original Post]
The same level of attractive new girls who refused BBFS with me during normal times are still doing it now and perfectly fine to watch me and my 2,500 - 3,000 baht offered walk away no matter how devoid of other customers the area is, how late on their rent they are or weeks without milk their babies and family buffalo have gone.
I realize that is wonderful news for several members here. But since Natty's friend's anecdote turned quite a bit on his hot and popular girl finally agreeing to BBFS as the sign for this supposed new Golden Era, it is a factor that applies to my observations as well.
Many of my fellow expats and frequent Bangkok visitor friends who found themselves stuck on the outside have been calling, sending me Line messages and emails begging me to tell them this economic downturn has caused the scene here to become a monger's paradise of the hottest girls handing out BBFS and BBBJ+CIM+Swallow left and right for rock bottom prices. Like Natty's friend's anecdote but 1000 times over.
Nope. You guys can sleep well at night in your home country knowing that ain't happening as far as this punter has noticed.
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08-13-20 03:11 #48405
Posts: 1232Originally Posted by NattyBumpo [View Original Post]
Many of the nights I walked around and visited a few venues without finding a single girl I'd feel compelled to pursue. Maybe a few I would pick if it were my last week in Thailand (it's not), but 90% are not even in that category. In the real golden era, I wasn't searching for a passable one, but choosing among attractive ones.
In addition, desperation is not fun. Sure, you'll shag more for less, but the vibe is definitely off.
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08-12-20 12:07 #48404
Posts: 3040Bangkok August under the pandemic
A friend of mine is in BKK right now. He tells me things are pretty amazing girl wise. For example, the other night he went to Baccara and Sharks on Cowboy. He had not been there for a long time. He saw a girl he once knew who used to work pre-Corona in Nana. Back then she was one of the most popular girls in Rainbow 4 and usually enjoyed 2 barfines per night. My friend had even barfined her a couple of times but then stopped because she was kind of cold and mechanical despite her hot looks. We all know the type: minimal DFK, no DATY, covered mish sex only, and in the bathroom cleaning up the second the session is over.
So he sees her over in a popular Cowboy Go Go, but does not call her over on account of his past experience with this one. There are maybe 5 or 6 other customers in the bar and it is a Saturday night - 10 pm. Eventually she wanders over to him and says Hello,. He offers her a drink for ol' times sake and she sits down, sips her drink and begins fooling around with his crotch under the table with her free hand. Long story short, he barfines her, takes her back to his apartment, and guess what? She is a different girl than the one he knew pre Corona: DFK and a BJ in the shower and another one on the bed. Then she moves up in between his legs and begins to mount him bareback. He gives her a surprised look and she responds, this OK, with a smile. Get the picture? And when it is all over she lays next to him on her side and caresses him. Later she asks if he wants to do it again. He says no not now and she says OK, but I can stay the night and we can boom boom in the morning, no extra charge if you want.
This is the kind of attitude change I keep hearing more and more about from friends and fellow punters who are in BKK at the moment during the pandemic. It is like a golden era that happens once every 50 years or so. I wish I was in BKK right now! [Deleted by Admin]
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08-12-20 06:55 #48403
Posts: 362Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
They also make high end devices, are 2 years ahead in the 5G tech and now have most IT unicorns worldwide and are gaining a signeficant advance within artificial inteligence, automation robotics and even green techs.
Life isn't black or white nor do things stay the same forever...
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08-12-20 04:01 #48402
Posts: 1222Originally Posted by NattyBumpo [View Original Post]
Some clarifications if I may.
Pointing out there are risks associated with BBFS is not a moral issue it is a health issue.
Pushing back on misogynistic posts on the forum is common decency and respect for women.
I wholly respect the rights of consenting adults to do with each other without restriction whatever turns them on.
I disagree with any form of enticement, inducement coercion subtle or not to change the standards a girl who initially refuses BBFS.
I have enjoyed living here for well over 20 years, love the people, the food and the ladies.
I don't regard P4P as a form of slavery, how could I when in truth it is one of the reasons I live here.
I don't look down on the girls in the business as lazy poor illiterate WGs from the fields out to scam their way through life.
I don't regard taking care of some of them when they are genuinely down and out as is happening now as being taken advantage of.
Oops too long, already starting to disappear, bye Natty. Stay safe.
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08-12-20 00:37 #48401
Posts: 5446Originally Posted by Franciscass [View Original Post]
The "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" punter has no idea why a girl doesn't brandish a condom and insist on its use at crunch time. I submit it could be because she has devoted a significant portion of the evening "off the market" with him and is worried about rocking the boat on anything he intends to do with her for fear of being put out with little or no money after investing so much time with him. Or by then she is so drunk from the drinks he and others bought for her that she isn't capable of making any sober decisions at all. Or by then she might even be reading his charming demeanor and their chemistry together as an indication she has a potential repeat customer here and her family could sure use that kind of ongoing income. He might even by then have gone so far as to tell her how "in love" he is with her he wants to take care of her and her family for a long time. Or, taking the opposite view, by then she might have seen in him a tendency to react a little too hot or angrily whenever he is crossed (by a server, a mamasan, another customer, a taxi driver, the hotel staff) and the last thing she wants is to cause another flare up and find his hands around her throat or balling up a fist.
I could come up with another half dozen reasons a girl to whom a "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach has been applied would not bring everything to a screetching halt at crunch time and insist on a condom that have nothing whatsoever to do with the girl "wanting" to fuck the man bareback for the sheer superior physical and sexual pleasure of it. Yet punters who think that preferred method is benign or "leaves it up to the girl" and that my method is "forcing" the girl to do something she wouldn't ordinarily agree to do love to tell themselves that's why the girl didn't work harder to insist on using a condom with them.
Anyone who is curious to find out if a girl "wants" or is genuinely inclined to be ok to fuck you bareback without it being a matter of force, intimidation, manipulation or cornering her into it at crunch time, imo the closest way to find out is drop the self-deluding "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach and try it my Upfront Agreement way; hit up girls earlier in the evening when they are sober and really do have the time and opportunity to say NO to you and choose another customer, not at closing time, not after she is falling down drunk, not when her only viable option is either you and whatever you want or to pay her own taxi fare back to her room alone with no other money. Then tell her you are interested in bareback as close as possible to the beginning of your encounter, at the second Lady Drink maximum, and long before she has committed and invested significant portions of her market/selling time "off the market" with you and with no one else. Then see if you can swing an Upfront Agreement for it.
I'd be surprised if there are 2 other punters in all of Thailand who go about scoring bareback with the girls as fair and square and without force, manipulation or intimidation as I do it. Hell, I "negotiated" BBFS (and was refused that AND BBBJ+CIM) with the Sukhumvit Road freelancer whose report of mine triggered much of this latest bareback discussion at 9AM in the morning, on the phone, while she was still laying in bed and hadn't even taken a taxi to her regular near Soi 19 stroll. In fact, she called me wanting to know that early in the day if she was going to book a session with me so she could decide whether or not to take the day off. And when we didn't book a session, sure enough I did not see her working in her spot that day or night. So much for being forced to agree to anything with me out of "desperation." lol
Add to that what you have generously pointed out about my at least having the consideration and courtesy to have gotten a vasectomy and always have a recent blood check document on hand to show anyone who wants to see it and I'd say my methods are about as responsible for scoring bareback as it is possible to get in the Thai P4P scene. But anyone else who has the brass punter balls I think it requires to do it my way rather than all the other more manipulative ways be warned: You WILL get a lot of refusals. And a lot of those refusals will be from girls who likely would have gone along with bareback fucking you if you had applied the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach, especially if you had gone for it after she was clearly drunk, late at night when they have very few other options and certainly if at such a moment you offer them even more money for it.
The increased refusal rate is a high emotional price to pay in order to be as fair and square and non intimidating about it as I try to be about it. I suspect it is too high a price to pay for the vast majority of bareback-seeking punters. But I don't do it that way to be a hero and not for purely altruistic reasons. Mostly I do it that way because the sessions I get with girls who agree upfront to fuck me bareback when they are sober and could easily choose another customer instead are much better than what I get if I go to the extremes of timing it and manipulating them into it I read in other reports.
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08-11-20 20:17 #48400
Posts: 2579Well.
Originally Posted by Sinofaguo [View Original Post]
But a small % is much different than a "finished product".
I was Mexico last year, I went to a farmacia, I went to a chain store and the farmacist advised me not buy to medicine in Mexico, he suggested I cross the border and buy in the USA.
He was a very nice man, and didn't want me getting even sicker, I'm guessing the cheap meds they sell in Mexico are knock offs made in China.
If they want to make knock offs it would be nice if they didn't kill people to make a few bucks.
https://medium.com/the-naked-archite...a-87b2f4b9f628
All they do is make cheap plastic garbage cheaper and more inferior than anyone else can.
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08-11-20 20:09 #48399
Posts: 3040Franciscass-.
Quote: For me the balance of the research indicates there is risk associated with unprotected sex in Thailand.
Whatever that risk is can be argued and working girls and their customers can make choices as they see fit.
However it is grossly irresponsible to keep suggesting it doesn't exist and that working girls should provide BBFS as a matter of course.
More irresponsible still that its OK to use what is essentially bribery to get them to overlook those risks when they first refuse to do so and finally totally reprehensible to denigrate them when they don't change their mind because they should know their only use on this earth is to serve the whims of men: quote.
Franciscass,
1. For some reason your posts are completely invisible to me whenever I am logged into the ISG. This vanishing act is unlike a forum ignore in that all indications that you have even posted are gone. I have no idea how this came about. I wish I could use this total white out on a few troll posters that I find really offensive, but not you. Ha Ha.
2. On risks associated with barebacking: I assume there is a degree of enhanced risk over condom sex, enough to make me pay closer attention to whomever I might want to bareback than normal, but not enough to choose never to bareback. Thus, it becomes a personal risk / reward situation where every god damn punter weighs the benefits against the perceived risks and comes out with his own unique resolution of the situation.
3. Risk averse guys will condom up. Highly risk averse guys will refrain from random sex with prostitutes or even with any girl outside of mutually exclusive relationships, but even those run some degree of risk due to the fact that the virtuous wife may decide to fuck the gym instructor some afternoon and there you go. 555.
4. I think it crosses the line of none of your business, however, when you or others bring some arbitrary moral code into the discussion: "More irresponsible still that it's OK to use what is essentially bribery to get them to overlook those risks when they first refuse to do so and finally totally reprehensible to denigrate them when they don't change their mind because they should know their only use on this earth is to serve the whims of men" This line of thinking is straight out of the wok Marxist feminist ideological handbook. According to the woks all p4p is a form of slavery, male domination, and thus rape. Yep, that's where the ideology takes us. It is a very slippery slope, but it leads straight to sex re-education camps and chemical castration.
5. So, let's not go there. 555. We all like to shag Asian girls or we wouldn't find ourselves in Asia going after poon and posting on the ISG. I, for one, think I am helping the girls and doing them a big favor with my attentions. I also think that they in turn are reciprocating the favor by lending me some of their honey for short periods of time. As long as everyone is of legal age and rational mind then everything is on the up & up between two consenting adults and is nobody else's business especially that the authorities or sex police. So shag your girls the way you want to shag them and I will shag my girls the way I want and we will both be fine. Just don't hurt nobody!
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08-11-20 16:15 #48398
Posts: 1222Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
One possibly unreliable stat does not mean all the reports on the subject are flawed.
As I suggested, anybody who is interested should read up on STD'S and Thailand and make up their own mind.
For me the balance of the research indicates there is risk associated with unprotected sex in Thailand.
Whatever that risk is can be argued and working girls and their customers can make choices as they see fit.
However it is grossly irresponsible to keep suggesting it doesn't exist and that working girls should provide BBFS as a matter of course.
More irresponsible still that its OK to use what is essentially bribery to get them to overlook those risks when they first refuse to do so and finally totally reprehensible to denigrate them when they don't change their mind because they should know their only use on this earth is to serve the whims of men.
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08-11-20 15:36 #48397
Posts: 362Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
China sells all kinds of quality goods. If you're going to negociate the price to the lowest and don't spend a dollar on quality controle don't expect your product to be of quality, that's for sure.
So wether you like it or know it, yes its likely your medecine have a link with China.
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08-11-20 14:44 #48396
Posts: 5446Originally Posted by Franciscass [View Original Post]
As far as we know, what you quoted (supposedly from 2018) was still working on that decidedly NOT random sampling survey taken from 2007:
Unexpectedly high HIV prevalence among female sex workers in Bangkok, Thailand in a respondent-driven sampling survey.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4935540/
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08-11-20 12:50 #48395
Posts: 3116Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
If you dig and it isn't hard then you better start with your Cell Phone majority of the parts which run the phone the metal is all from China to make those so call chips. Until a few years back American Hospital was ordering unknowingly from China cancer medicine until they discover many were fake couldn't tell them from the real stuff. Then let's not forget all the dog food or the painted lead on all the toys being sold at Toy are Us, or all the sheetrock sold throughout the USA The list goes on and on just ask Ikea or Walmart?
Years ago China knew this day was coming so many of their factories have been moved out of China since the so-called cheap labor they have is no longer cheap so they have also moved many of the factories to other countries for even cheaper labor. Even before the trade war China, for example, contracted with a number of Thai companies to ship products to Thailand repackage as made in Thailand then ship to the USA It is only recently America is finding this out.
It is taken 30 plus years for China to do what it has been doing it will take just as long to turn it around but meantime check you boxers see where those Fruit of Looms are made?