Angeles City

[Kazeu]

When I speak I speak only for myself but I imagine I'm not the only one that thinks this way. If I am, I stand alone and corrected, I'm happy its much better for all you out there. But in my opinion Its crap compared to what it used to be. I don't know how the Koreans or the Chinese feel about it. I imagine its better than what they got back in Korea, but it could have been better for everyone. Instead they decided to come to angeles and make it just like Korea.

Obviously there are winners and losers to all changes. Things change over time. I know that. Doesn't mean I have to be happy about it and praise the way it is now.

Koreans and Chinese have changed AC. You say the change is not for the better? For who? Western tourist, which are the minority now. To the Koreans and Chinese change has been good.

[Dg8787]

Unfortunately the mods decided in your favor and removed my original post as well as my explanation, but your quote of my original post still remains. As long as that remains, I believe I deserve to explain it, that it was not meant sincerely. I don't want war just so I can go mongering. But I do believe that the koreans changed angeles city permanently and I do not hide my opinion that it was not for the better. In the same fashion I do believe that the chinese have really hurt the experience of tourism. Travelling is completely different than it was 10 years ago.

Koreans and Chinese have changed AC. You say the change is not for the better? For who? Western tourist, which are the minority now. To the Koreans and Chinese change has been good.

[Kazeu]

I have received word that there are still parties going on in Angeles. The people I heard this from said that they were not allowed to take pictures at the party for fear of them getting posted to social media.

[Kazeu]

Unfortunately the mods decided in your favor and removed my original post as well as my explanation, but your quote of my original post still remains. As long as that remains, I believe I deserve to explain it, that it was not meant sincerely. I don't want war just so I can go mongering. But I do believe that the koreans changed angeles city permanently and I do not hide my opinion that it was not for the better. In the same fashion I do believe that the chinese have really hurt the experience of tourism. Travelling is completely different than it was 10 years ago.

That has to be one of the most disgusting posts I have read on ISG ever.

I am surprised the mods allowed it.

[Dg8787]

I have been watching Youtube videos of the current situation in Fields Avenue (aka Walking Street) and nearly everything is closed down. I was due to stay at the Royal Amsterdam Hotel later this year which obviously will not happen thanks to Covid-19. However, in more than one recent YouTube video I noticed a 'For Sale' sign on the front of an obviously deserted hotel building. So I do not expect to ever see my one night's deposit ever again.

What I find interesting is that the hotel's website appears to be 'business as usual' and hotel booking sites such as hotels.com still allow users to book at hotels in the vicinity such as Amsterdam or Queens or others that are definitely not open now and not likely to open up again. IMHO. So, I would advise anyone who is or was planning a trip to Angeles City this year or next to be extremely cautious about your hotel booking and definitely be extra cautious about booking and paying direct to the hotel rather than one of the major booking sites which will refund customers for cancelled bookings. Also, be wary of 'special offers' and 'unmissable room deals' as promoted by a hotel that may no longer exist. Even though its website seems to be fully functional.

At this time, I cannot envisage most of the hotels in and around Fields Avenue opening up again after tourist travel is allowed back to Angeles City. This is because the hotels need the tourists and the tourists need the entertainment venues to be open. However, the entertainment venues need the tourists in order to reopen and the tourists need the entertainment venues and the hotels to be open. So it is akin to a Catch 22 situation. Also, bearing in mind how much damage was previously done to Fields Avenue tourism by the police raids and the huge price increases and a number of mismanaged bars, what will be the future attraction of the place to investors? I personally find it very difficult to envisage how the Fields Avenue area can ever reopen as a bona fide monger destination. I hope I am wrong.

Do any BM's disagree with my pessimistic outlook?

Congrats on first post.

Whether anyone agrees or disagree doesn't matter. Respectfully your opinion doesn't matter. Presently there are no Covid19 economic recovery experts around. Unless mongers here put their money where their mouth is, their opinions mean nothing. Including mine.

Fields will recover or it will not recover. Time will tell. Fields alway had to have one ingredient to survive. Bargirls. Without bargirls there would be no tourist. No tourist no need for hotels. Every business there relied on bar girls. No one would like to believe or acknowledge that Fields would be nothing without bargirls. Most people looked down on the BGs without realizing that they exist because of them. Police lived high off of the payoffs.

No one respected the bar girls. Bargirls kept many mouths fed there. Now it is gone. Hopefully it is temporarily. Just like everywhere else we have not seen the economic fall out. Give 6 months and we will see a horrendous amount of bankruptcies. Fortunately we will see risk takers opening places back up.

My fear is the corrupt hands out from city hall and police units will kill any initial recovery, not the lack of bargirls and tourist.

[Torrents]

I have been watching Youtube videos of the current situation in Fields Avenue (aka Walking Street) and nearly everything is closed down. I was due to stay at the Royal Amsterdam Hotel later this year which obviously will not happen thanks to Covid-19. However, in more than one recent YouTube video I noticed a 'For Sale' sign on the front of an obviously deserted hotel building. So I do not expect to ever see my one night's deposit ever again.

What I find interesting is that the hotel's website appears to be 'business as usual' and hotel booking sites such as hotels.com still allow users to book at hotels in the vicinity such as Amsterdam or Queens or others that are definitely not open now and not likely to open up again. IMHO. So, I would advise anyone who is or was planning a trip to Angeles City this year or next to be extremely cautious about your hotel booking and definitely be extra cautious about booking and paying direct to the hotel rather than one of the major booking sites which will refund customers for cancelled bookings. Also, be wary of 'special offers' and 'unmissable room deals' as promoted by a hotel that may no longer exist. Even though its website seems to be fully functional.

At this time, I cannot envisage most of the hotels in and around Fields Avenue opening up again after tourist travel is allowed back to Angeles City. This is because the hotels need the tourists and the tourists need the entertainment venues to be open. However, the entertainment venues need the tourists in order to reopen and the tourists need the entertainment venues and the hotels to be open. So it is akin to a Catch 22 situation. Also, bearing in mind how much damage was previously done to Fields Avenue tourism by the police raids and the huge price increases and a number of mismanaged bars, what will be the future attraction of the place to investors? I personally find it very difficult to envisage how the Fields Avenue area can ever reopen as a bona fide monger destination. I hope I am wrong.

Do any BM's disagree with my pessimistic outlook?

[Kazeu]

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[Red Kilt]

There is 1 slim hope. North Korea starts a military conflict with South Korea requiring all the Koreans to go back and fight the war. At the same time anti chinese sentiment rises restricting travel abilities of chinese citizens.

Things to hope for?

That has to be one of the most disgusting posts I have read on ISG ever.

I am surprised the mods allowed it.

[Kazeu]

Even before the wuhan virus hit, ponytails was already closed when I was in angeles back in March. All the girls had already been moved to some bar on walking street.

Ponytails is done closed and it don't look like it will ever open again even if the bars somehow do open again. I suppose IF the bars are to ever crank back up to 2008 to 2015 levels before the Koreans rauined them Ponytails remodeled with new couches and chairs hot girls in t backs and a new floor plan would be a Great place again. But I never see that happening here again AC Bars are toast.

[Fastpiston]

So sad. My first rip to Angeles coincided with its opening. The dance floor was filled with young pussy and bar fines was 1500. I went back every day and left Angeles feeling happy with the world. The last time was 2018 and it had lost almost all its charm. Sad but it should sink and be reborn.

Lets get real.

So many travel, entertainment & hospitality businesses of all types worldwide are going bankrupt and do not expect bars to get bailout money!

I suspect also that permits to eventually reopen will be delayed indefinitely.

I am sure also many hotels are having a very hard time staying financially viable as they have ongoing maintenance, utility costs, building / renovation debts.

All this is so sad as I really enjoyed AC so much, but I have to say AC costs have gone up significantly, quality fallen and service deteriorated (behavior; LT became ST). I saw the same deterioration in Thailand over many years.

I have now re-engineered. I have upgraded quality dramatically for the same expense. Amazing fun out there if one thinks outside the box. Just do not sit around hoping old AC will be back. It won't.

[ManonsanBoy]

Ponytails is done closed and it don't look like it will ever open again even if the bars somehow do open again. I suppose IF the bars are to ever crank back up to 2008 to 2015 levels before the Koreans rauined them Ponytails remodeled with new couches and chairs hot girls in t backs and a new floor plan would be a Great place again. But I never see that happening here again AC Bars are toast.

So sad. My first rip to Angeles coincided with its opening. The dance floor was filled with young pussy and bar fines was 1500. I went back every day and left Angeles feeling happy with the world. The last time was 2018 and it had lost almost all its charm. Sad but it should sink and be reborn.

[Streetlooker]

Indeed, Devera isn't bad. The good thing is that Ponytails is next to it. The bad thing is that they only have one lift for six or seven floors.

Ponytails is done closed and it don't look like it will ever open again even if the bars somehow do open again. I suppose IF the bars are to ever crank back up to 2008 to 2015 levels before the Koreans rauined them Ponytails remodeled with new couches and chairs hot girls in t backs and a new floor plan would be a Great place again. But I never see that happening here again AC Bars are toast.

[Streetlooker]

Now why do they like that delicious world-class cuisine at Jollibee so much?

Because the TV and their friends tells them its a happy place to go and that the food is delicious and we all know filpina's believe everything the TV and their friends tells them. All the bargirls seem to have this nieve notion that ABC is some high classed 5 star hotel and that those who stay there have the big money because the room rates are so high.

[Ekspat]

That said. Here's my gem for you. Devera Hotel. Far enough away from the action, but close enough to play.

Indeed, Devera isn't bad. The good thing is that Ponytails is next to it. The bad thing is that they only have one lift for six or seven floors.

[Kazeu]

In my experience, it has always been harder than I would have ever imagined to get rooms in angeles city. At least for me, I don't care to stay in any fan only room. I need air con and a decent amount of space. I have never been able to walk in to my hotel of choice and get my room of choice. It try to make my reservations at least 2 weeks prior. I don't think its too hard understand why someone would want to keep their favorite gem of a hotel a secret. If it is a gem, once the word is out, everyone flocks there and either the prices rise or you end up having to make reservations even further in advance. Makes perfect sense to me. But his gem may not be your gem. And your gem maybe not be a gem to me.

Personally, I think tourism was much better in the days when not everyone knew about every gem. Thanks to instagram and boards like this, and really the internet in general everyone knows about all the spots and you got thousands of chinese tourists everywhere.

The infomation is out there, its theres for the taking.

That said. Here's my gem for you. Devera Hotel. Far enough away from the action, but close enough to play. Not fancy, but clean rooms. Nice people. I'm sure they need the business now.

Judging a member by the number of posts is like assessing a working girl by her bra size. But I will answer the query. I have stayed many times at the Vistellana hotel. Real budget, maybe 400 a night. I prefer the Marble Inn which has been open during this Covid business when hotels were closed because it is technically a "residence" and not a hotel. It is in the Diamond Subdivision down the street from the old Swagman Hotel which has been razed to the ground. About 1000 a night but they got fan rooms for less. It has got a great open kitchen perhaps the best restaurant in AC. Now the Marble Inn is a real hidden gem and it is out there for all my ISG brothers and you don't need to PM anybody for the info. There, now what's the big deal about sharing info?