Kyiv

[Uke Boy]

Comment on the Facebook page: "What kind of American travels to Ukraine in the middle of the covid pandemic? If not business reasons, then moral freaks, perverts and losers. " Lots of other comments blaming the girl for having chosen the easy life of prostitution instead of working 12 hours/day as a cleaning woman. Jealous haters, like our resident drama troll.

Yes, complicated and changes every day. Official rules at https://visitukraine.today.

In practice, they are sometimes letting people through passport control without verifying they have installed the quarantine app. If so, maybe skip testing. Possibly they check when you leave Ukraine that you followed all the rules when you entered, though given all the confusion, I doubt it. You still need insurance. I used https://www.oberig-sg.com/strahovanie-migrantov.

The girl was not to blame. She had five children who needed help and this job may have been her only option. May she rest in peace. May Mahmoud burn in hell after the hell of a Ukrainian prison camp.

Now, more bad news for those who are planning a September arrival in Ukraine. Here is the article:

https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/42...yvaet-hranytsu

In short, the Prime Minister and the Cabinet has today decided to close the border for entry to all foreigners except those with residency status or humanitarian workers, diplomats, the usual cast of characters etc from 00:00 on August 29 and will run until 00:00 on September 28. If you have plans to come during this time, you need to cancel or change them to a later date, but be aware that they may also extend the entry ban. It is all up in the air now for those who have plans to come here.

Here is an update: https://www.obozrevatel.com/society/kabmin-ofitsialno-prodlil-karantin-v-ukraine-do-1-noyabrya.htm

Also, nightclubs and discos are being ordered to close but not restaurants.

[Kozerog]

Comment on the Facebook page: "What kind of American travels to Ukraine in the middle of the covid pandemic? If not business reasons, then moral freaks, perverts and losers. " Lots of other comments blaming the girl for having chosen the easy life of prostitution instead of working 12 hours/day as a cleaning woman. Jealous haters, like our resident drama troll.

...As I read, I can pass covid test in borispol airport, just making 1 hour file and test, then result is after 40 hour and I'm free from quarantine, can anyone confirm me this? That situation is really complicate.

Yes, complicated and changes every day. Official rules at https://visitukraine.today.

In practice, they are sometimes letting people through passport control without verifying they have installed the quarantine app. If so, maybe skip testing. Possibly they check when you leave Ukraine that you followed all the rules when you entered, though given all the confusion, I doubt it. You still need insurance. I used https://www.oberig-sg.com/strahovanie-migrantov.

[IdiotSavant]

MagicSheep74 I actually respect your opinion much more than I respect dramafree's opinion. Maybe someone as young as IdiotSavant would be better off in Spain. But the Ukrainian girls seem much more comfortable with an old fuck like me than the mediteranian girls ever did. Besides, escorts are much more expensive in Spain in my limited experiience.

I have been told Kharkiv can be very cost effective and that the girls have less opportunity therefore they are more aggressive in dating foreigners.

May I ask what I can expect to pay for younger high quality girls? Think the Russian porn that was coming out five-10 years ago.

I'll be honest. Even if Kyiv or Kharkiv are a strikeout it's been a game plan for a minute and you sound confident I can enjoy myself which is reassuring. Also as far as I can tell I can't visit Spain but specific areas would be greatly and humbly appreciated.

Where might also be some of the best places worldwide to work on my art remotely with the 18+ girls in mind? Pattaya was a plan but it may never recover post Covid I hear. Right now I'm rather limited by my US passport but any advice on locations would be appreciated both immediately accessible and historically flush with opportunity.

I have around $50000 saved up and $2000 a month coming in from commissions with passive income to work with that's what UAE to USD was so appealing I'm somewhat limited financially.

I plan on doing three months at a time in Ukraine perhaps the first month in Kyiv second in Kharkiv and third in Lviv. I will clear my passport for three months elsewhere and go back IF it turns out to be a living situation I can get behind.

Ideally I find some girl right out of high school who wants to eat sushi and steaks every night and go to the Opera a few days a week while we rent out a box. Given the currency exchange rate my savings and passive income and my experience in the P4P scene in Detroit (I'm not an easy scam after spending extensive time in Detroit extras clubs) I am hoping I can find a few college students and focus on my editing work while I attempt to live my youth that wasn't exactly a blast given the high risk factor and stress of my work in my twenties.

I appreciate your advice.

[Kozerog]

More photos here:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...80696825659745

Better photo of alleged perpetrator, American citizen but born in Egypt, and name Mahmoud not Mike/Michael:

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...00992396650579

[Vitrea]

Uke Boy. That is tragic man. If he really murdered her, hope he rots in prison. Very sad.

[Member #4722]

Very disturbing news regarding unforgivable behavior from a monger here in Kiev.

Here is the link to the news article:https://korrespondent.net/city/kiev/...yl-prostytutku.

A quick translation.

"Last night at 1/22 Filatov Street, an American named Mike rented an apartment. During the evening, a pimp brought a lady to him. When she did not come out several hours later, a pimp came to bring her back, but no one opened the door. Then the pimp broke the locks in one of the parked cars in the yard, pulled out a set of tools and started gouging the door. He was unable to open it (and on the contrary, he somehow blocked the apartment even more).

In the morning, a neighbor came to the door and called the police. Then from behind the door Michael's voice was heard, and he began to ask for help. He said that he felt bad, that he was suffocating and he needed to go to the hospital. The owners arrived with the documents for the apartment and the emergency workers opened the door. An ambulance took Mike away. An hour later, the owners found the corpse of a woman behind the sofa. It turned out that he strangled her. Mike escaped from the hospital but in the evening he was detained at the airport. The murdered woman turned out to be a mother of 5 children..

WTF? That's so messed up.

[Uke Boy]

Very disturbing and shocking news regarding unforgivable behavior from a monger here in Kiev.

Here is the link to the news article:https://korrespondent.net/city/kiev/...yl-prostytutku.

A quick translation.

"Last night at 1/22 Filatov Street, an American named Mike rented an apartment. During the evening, a pimp brought a lady to him. When she did not come out several hours later, a pimp came to bring her back, but no one opened the door. Then the pimp broke the locks in one of the parked cars in the yard, pulled out a set of tools and started gouging the door. He was unable to open it (and on the contrary, he somehow blocked the apartment even more).

In the morning, a neighbor came to the door and called the police. Then from behind the door Michael's voice was heard, and he began to ask for help. He said that he felt bad, that he was suffocating and he needed to go to the hospital. The owners arrived with the documents for the apartment and the emergency workers opened the door. An ambulance took Mike away. An hour later, the owners found the corpse of a woman behind the sofa. It turned out that he strangled her. Mike escaped from the hospital but in the evening he was detained at the airport. The murdered woman turned out to be a mother of 5 children. ".

This is a photo of the alleged murderer https://www.facebook.com/KyivOperati...type=3&theater.

[Sorbonne]

I didn't know those places, first one seems massage club, second one is a kind of sauna, but is not clear what services they provide there.

I noticed that on the Wild West website it says "full service. " I'm not sure what that mean. Maybe it does offer full service.

I've been to such sauna / banya with full service in Riga in Latvia. I believe this kind of banya exist in all FSS.

Now the other website La Dolce Vita.

The girls in the photos are decidedly prettier, and it says you can even book a specified girl. Then, are they real photos? Not impossible, but the price sounds outrageous for massage, no matter how pretty they are!

[Sorbonne]

I didn't know those places, first one seems massage club, second one is a kind of sauna, but is not clear what services they provide there.

I didn't even look at the websites too carefully, but when you said "sauna," it suddenly occurred to me that I have been to this Wild West.

Back in 2017 when I was getting a tour of apartments by a girl who was one of those pimps congregating in front of the Ferrari shop at the Arena City, she took me to this Wild West. It's right in the middle of downtown and is entered from a large inner court yard. I didn't stay there, but sometimes later I went back there for myself.

The place has some sauna rooms with one large cold-water swimming pool in the middle. What you do is to reserve a sauna with / without the swimming pool AND with / without erotic massage girls who work there. You can bring your own girl / s or hire the massage girl / s. I think it's all explained on the website.

I didn't really care for sauna at that time, and I didn't see any decent massage girls. So I was told to come back for more "beautiful" girls coming later that night, went back, never saw any decent girls, so I ended up not using their service at all.

Seeing from the website, few of the girls in the photos are young and hot, so I'm not sure if the photos are real (unlikely).

During this pandemic I don't know if massage salons or apartments are offering more selections, but seeing from the photos, it doesn't look that way.

Back in 2005-2010 I was enjoying the salon scene in Kiev where young / hot girls were aplenty for 40 USD for 1 hour. My fave was threesome. If this pandemic bring back those years to Kiev, well, then I would thank corona!

[Ringudor]

Most common permission for stay in Ukraine is 90 days for each 180 day period, visa free.

I'm preparing my trip to Kiev for next week, I come from red zone country (spain).

As I rode, I can pass covid test in borispol airport, just making 1 hour file and test, then result is after 40 hour and I'm free from quarantine, can anyone confirm me this? That situation is really complicate.

[Punter6996]

Ukraine is a fine option. Have you checked the visa requirements? You can't stay here 6 months in a row on a tourist visa and technically are not supposed to be working here on a tourist visa either--although I doubt an artist working remotely would have any problems with that part.

YummPL. Just out of curiosity what type of visa are you on, while staying in Ukraine. I ask this because after reading your posts, I understand that you will be there for a long time. However my understanding is that tourists are only issued a visa for 1 month?

[YummyPL]

You would be much better in off in the South Coast of Spain with a great climate and an endless supply of Eastern European and Latin women.

Chasing hot women has been my life's work and I can live anywhere I want. Europe truly has much better destination to live and enjoy carefree sex.

Be safe.

MagicSheep74 I actually respect your opinion much more than I respect dramafree's opinion. Maybe someone as young as IdiotSavant would be better off in Spain. But the Ukrainian girls seem much more comfortable with an old fuck like me than the mediteranian girls ever did. Besides, escorts are much more expensive in Spain in my limited experiience.

[Ringudor]

What's the deal with places like these, which offer massage and striptease? I came upon them on VK.

https://dolcevita.kiev.ua/

https://wildwest.kiev.ua/

They seem to be generated by the same web-designer.

I didn't know those places, first one seems massage club, second one is a kind of sauna, but is not clear what services they provide there.

[Sorbonne]

What's the deal with places like these, which offer massage and striptease? I came upon them on VK.

https://dolcevita.kiev.ua/

https://wildwest.kiev.ua/

They seem to be generated by the same web-designer.

I'd say the designer himself is the pimp using fake photos.

[YummyPL]

This thread makes it sound like there are better options for this besides Ukraine although my heart was set on it.

Ukraine is a fine option. Have you checked the visa requirements? You can't stay here 6 months in a row on a tourist visa and technically are not supposed to be working here on a tourist visa either--although I doubt an artist working remotely would have any problems with that part.

Kyiv is a fine place to stay. If you speak Russian I would almost suggest you going to Kharkiv. Much cheaper all around and plenty of university girls that need money. But Kyiv is a great city.

In your early 30's you have the world at your fingertips. As long as you don't have problems talking to women, then over time you won't have any problem finding an 18-23 year old that will be happy to share her time with you.

I can't comment on the nightlife here. I have not been to a nightclub in Kyiv since 2013. But coffee shops and cafes are ripe with opportunities. I am grateful to be here during this strange time in our world.

That said, if I had a choice, I would choose Russia over Ukraine. Every time I went to Russia it was truly surreal. It was often like living in an alternate universe especially for "regular girls. " And dramafree is right about the nightlife there being excellent. But I don't think there is any place besides Russia that I would choose over Kyiv and Russia is more difficult / prohibitive to live in. I love Kyiv and although I also love Budapest, Barcelona, and some other cities, if my goal is finding a girl or ten to share my time with and not spend a lot of money, Kyiv is phenomenal.