Sao Paulo Reports

[Member #4732]

I was not trying to scare anyone. I was just trying to help and contribute to the forum based on what my experiences were. First off not EVERY freelancer charge in multiples of R50. If you don't believe me just go to the Acompanhantes SP section under Sao Paulo on GP-Guia.net. There are reports from Brazilian guys of freelancers charging R60, R80, R120, R130, R140, R160, R180, R210, R215, R230, R260, R360, R370, etc. I guess all of them must be lying then. I don't doubt Rovnak fuck super models everyday for R300. But just because he never paid a price that is not in the multiples of R50, doesn't mean they don't exist.

I never warned people not to use ATM cards. In fact I stated in my original post that ATM was all I used when I stayed in Sao Paulo for 2 months. I was just suggesting to carry some dollars, just in case in the unlikely event that the ATM card gets cloned or lost. Its almost always a good idea to have backup plans, especially in a foreign country where one don't have easy access to his local bank back home..

I think Wyatt was saying that he and I should not scare anyone who prefers to bring cash and exchange it.

As for non 50 segments. OK fair enough there are some freelance ads for 120 and 180 for example but most are multiples of 50. But I mean the absolute worse case you round up the extra 20 reais which is what 4 USD.

Yes, back up plan is essential, either cash as you suggested or a 2nd account which is what I have.

Its all good, whatever people want to do.

[Rextor]

With Scandallo opening soon (tomorrow?) I expect you local residents to have boots on the ground reports by week's end.

Would love to get down there in a week or so, as I already received the Moderna vaccine.

[DreamCarnarvon]

Yes, I thought that was a strange comment. Freelancers don't have prices like 327 Reais.

I'm an ATM / credit card guy. The funny thing is every time I came back from Brazil I have all these small bills in my pocket. How do I accumulate all these small bills? Basically, Day One is hit the ATM then off to the grocery store. Even if you don't have a kitchen, buy some booze and snacks. The rest of the trip just kind of works out.

I even met a pro at a club once and told her I didn't have a lot of cash on me. She said that's okay you can pay me in the morning.

If you like cash, you like cash. Let's not scare first-timers.

I was not trying to scare anyone. I was just trying to help and contribute to the forum based on what my experiences were. First off not EVERY freelancer charge in multiples of R50. If you don't believe me just go to the Acompanhantes SP section under Sao Paulo on GP-Guia.net. There are reports from Brazilian guys of freelancers charging R60, R80, R120, R130, R140, R160, R180, R210, R215, R230, R260, R360, R370, etc. I guess all of them must be lying then. I don't doubt Rovnak fuck super models everyday for R300. But just because he never paid a price that is not in the multiples of R50, doesn't mean they don't exist.

I should of made it clearer that it could be a pain in the ass when you initally withdrawal from the ATM and get a wad of large notes. But yes I agree with you, as you use you money over time such as shop at grocery stores and eating out at restaurants, you will naturally accumulate smaller notes.

It didn't happen often but I've had incidents in both Rio and Sao Paulo where I go pay for the session and was told by the receptionist that she will give my change after my session or wait while she go and break the large notes I gave her because the clinica didn't have the exact change right at that moment. Did I always eventually get my change? Yes. But the statement Rovnak made, and I quote " Every clinica or boate has change. In fact the clinicas and the boates are the only places in Brazil that reliably have change. " somehow was not true in my experiences. Again, I am just stating the facts from my personal experiences. If 1000 times out of 1000 you got your exact change right on the spot without ever needing to wait, then Roynak, you are one lucky man.

I never warned people not to use ATM cards. In fact I stated in my original post that ATM was all I used when I stayed in Sao Paulo for 2 months. I was just suggesting to carry some dollars, just in case in the unlikely event that the ATM card gets cloned or lost. Its almost always a good idea to have backup plans, especially in a foreign country where one don't have easy access to his local bank back home.

No hard feelings guys. I don't doubt what WyattEarp and Roynak stated are true. But two statements can also be true at the same time. Like the rest of ISG, the Sao Paulo forum has not had any recent trip reports due to the pandemic. I am hoping that those ISG members who are going to Sao Paulo or Rio in the near future can post trip reports so us guys who can't go can at least experience Brazil once again vicariously.

[WyattEarp]

But every free lancer charges a multiple of 50 so I see no problem.

Yes, I thought that was a strange comment. Freelancers don't have prices like 327 Reais.

I'm an ATM / credit card guy. The funny thing is every time I came back from Brazil I have all these small bills in my pocket. How do I accumulate all these small bills? Basically, Day One is hit the ATM then off to the grocery store. Even if you don't have a kitchen, buy some booze and snacks. The rest of the trip just kind of works out.

I even met a pro at a club once and told her I didn't have a lot of cash on me. She said that's okay you can pay me in the morning.

If you like cash, you like cash. Let's not scare first-timers.

[PussyRiot]

I live here

How is the vibe of the city since you are there?

Is it like NYC where it is a like ghost town?

Haven't book the trip yet since noticed all the clubs are closed at this time.

[Member #4732]

First of all I have taken 2000 at a pop out of Santander, and I am not even sure if that is the limit. Plus you can do multiple withdrawals until you hit your own bank limit. Frankly if you can't working girl till you drop daily on less than 1500 reias you are doing something wrong. I do top girls every day for 300 reias for 2 hours. Just got to play the game right. Top as in both great looks and service.

Also as I said in original post if you want to maximize your cash for P4P you use the credit card for all other commercial activity. I reemphasize, this should be a non problem.

To clarify one thing I wrote so as not to create unrealistic expectations. I get top girls to see me for 300 reias 2 hours. A visitor should not expect that. But even if you pay double what I pay. You are looking at 300 per hour for good indies and 150-250 at very good clinicas. Paying above 300 an hour is a luxury fuck at a luxury clinica, boate, or an overpriced oversiliconed seasoned pro indy.

[Member #4732]

Bingo!

I think on the Rio thread some guys occasionally experience getting much better than the published market rate for foreign exchange. I have not been so lucky. Back in the 1990's, some local cash businesses would be aggressively seeking Dollars. I personally haven't seen this in years.

So if this happens, it appears to be a timing thing and hunting down the best rate on the ground. It also might be a Rio thing when the timing is right.

With the usdbrl over 5 no one should be complaining about any exchange rate, I use Santander ATM and I don't even think aa out it. I am sure it is as good or better than exchanging money at a cambio.

[Member #4732]

I assume your calculation of 120 ATM withdrawals implied a little exaggeration and sarcasm. But I do agree the more you withdrawal from the ATM the more your risk increases. I think its perfectly fine to just rely on ATM for short stays of 1-2 weeks. However, anything longer than that I would bring some cash as a backup. The amount would depend on the length of stay. I stayed in Sao Paulo and Rio for 2.5 months on my last trip. In Sao Paulo I relied solely on my ATM card. And in Rio I used a bit of both ATM card and dollar (the casas de cambios in Copa gave out fantastic exchange rates). Of course my daily sex budget was no where near R1500 per day. That seems like an unrealistic daily average for a 2 month stay. I can see some weekend warriors splurging that amount of money. Also the R1000 max withdrawal limit also seems unrealistic. My bank (and I think most banks) allows much more than that. Every person is different on how they obtain and spend their money. But the bottom line is be extra care with your money when you are abroad. Especially in Brazil, only use ATM machines that are located inside banks and / or in areas of high traffic.

I live here and I do cash withdrawals all the time so I think that qualifies as more than a short stay. Just be smart and use ATMs located in banks that have visible security guards. I have used santander in Moema for 3 years without a single incident. In 10 years in Brazil I got cloned 2 times, both at bradesco, once in Rio and once in SP. The last time was in 2015.

[Member #4732]

The boates, clinicas and escorts who take credit cards usually tack on a fee. While the fee is not much, it does add up, especially on a long trip. That's why I almost always pay in cash. But sometimes it can be a pain in the ass. The ATM machines almost always dispense large bills so the smaller bills are hard to come by. I always try to give the girls the exact change as most can't break up the big bills. I even had instances in clinicas where they couldn't give my change right away and told me they would have it after the session. I remember one time in Rio, I forget about my change upon leaving the casa. It was only after I got back to my place that I realized that. I immediately went back to the casa and got my change. LOL.

The ARMs dispense mostly 50's and 100's yes. But every free lancer charges a multiple of 50 so I see no problem. Every clinica or boate has change. I do this every day for years and I have never had a problem with cash in putaria, never. In fact the clinicas and the boates are the only places in Brazil that reliably have change.

This whole thread is the biggest mountain of a mole hill ever.

[Member #4732]

Sex budget let's say 1500 R per day. Maximum ATM withdrawal 1000 R. Allowing for other expenditures (beside rent) that means 2 ATM withdrawals each day. If you stay for 2 months it means 120 ATM withdrawals. What could possibly go wrong?

First of all I have taken 2000 at a pop out of Santander, and I am not even sure if that is the limit. Plus you can do multiple withdrawals until you hit your own bank limit. Frankly if you can't working girl till you drop daily on less than 1500 reias you are doing something wrong. I do top girls every day for 300 reias for 2 hours. Just got to play the game right. Top as in both great looks and service.

Also as I said in original post if you want to maximize your cash for P4P you use the credit card for all other commercial activity. I reemphasize, this should be a non problem.

[DreamCarnarvon]

Regardless if you keep that pace, I believe most of the boates and clinicas accept credit / debit cards. Hell, some of the top escorts will take credit card. It goes without saying most groceries and restaurants take credit / debit cards.

The boates, clinicas and escorts who take credit cards usually tack on a fee. While the fee is not much, it does add up, especially on a long trip. That's why I almost always pay in cash. But sometimes it can be a pain in the ass. The ATM machines almost always dispense large bills so the smaller bills are hard to come by. I always try to give the girls the exact change as most can't break up the big bills. I even had instances in clinicas where they couldn't give my change right away and told me they would have it after the session. I remember one time in Rio, I forget about my change upon leaving the casa. It was only after I got back to my place that I realized that. I immediately went back to the casa and got my change. LOL.

[DreamCarnarvon]

Sex budget let's say 1500 R per day. Maximum ATM withdrawal 1000 R. Allowing for other expenditures (beside rent) that means 2 ATM withdrawals each day. If you stay for 2 months it means 120 ATM withdrawals. What could possibly go wrong?

I assume your calculation of 120 ATM withdrawals implied a little exaggeration and sarcasm. But I do agree the more you withdrawal from the ATM the more your risk increases. I think its perfectly fine to just rely on ATM for short stays of 1-2 weeks. However, anything longer than that I would bring some cash as a backup. The amount would depend on the length of stay. I stayed in Sao Paulo and Rio for 2.5 months on my last trip. In Sao Paulo I relied solely on my ATM card. And in Rio I used a bit of both ATM card and dollar (the casas de cambios in Copa gave out fantastic exchange rates). Of course my daily sex budget was no where near R1500 per day. That seems like an unrealistic daily average for a 2 month stay. I can see some weekend warriors splurging that amount of money. Also the R1000 max withdrawal limit also seems unrealistic. My bank (and I think most banks) allows much more than that. Every person is different on how they obtain and spend their money. But the bottom line is be extra care with your money when you are abroad. Especially in Brazil, only use ATM machines that are located inside banks and / or in areas of high traffic.

[WyattEarp]

I don't understand all the anxiety over payment methods. Its 2020 guys. I haven't worried about payment since the early 2000's. Just get a credit card and bank account that have no foreign transaction fees. Problem solved. Use credit card for all normal consumer transactions and cash for P4 P. Only Withdraw cash from ATMs that are located inside banks that have visible security. Follow these simple steps and you have convenience and safety.

Worst case, with mobile alerts you will be aware quickly of any fraudulent activity.

Bingo!

I think on the Rio thread some guys occasionally experience getting much better than the published market rate for foreign exchange. I have not been so lucky. Back in the 1990's, some local cash businesses would be aggressively seeking Dollars. I personally haven't seen this in years.

So if this happens, it appears to be a timing thing and hunting down the best rate on the ground. It also might be a Rio thing when the timing is right.

[WyattEarp]

Sex budget let's say 1500 R per day. Maximum ATM withdrawal 1000 R. Allowing for other expenditures (beside rent) that means 2 ATM withdrawals each day. If you stay for 2 months it means 120 ATM withdrawals. What could possibly go wrong?

I'm not exactly sure that rate of expenditure is realistic for most of us. 1500 R is a lot to spend in Brazil every day for sixty days. (I can hear ABG saying you could live at a clinica for that amount.) Regardless if you keep that pace, I believe most of the boates and clinicas accept credit / debit cards. Hell, some of the top escorts will take credit card. It goes without saying most groceries and restaurants take credit / debit cards.

Some guys like having a lot of cash traveling abroad. They feel more secure having it on-hand. Some of my crew goes to Brazil and other locales with a wad of cash in their pants or bag and promptly deposit it in the safe deposit box in their room. You also have some guys who are in cash businesses. Some of their income never sees a bank account.

Between ATMs and charging, I've been fine with my cards (no FX fees). The one time I had a problem abroad I had a new card the next day. So yes have some back-up.

[Hobbying]

Sex budget let's say 1500 R per day. Maximum ATM withdrawal 1000 R. Allowing for other expenditures (beside rent) that means 2 ATM withdrawals each day. If you stay for 2 months it means 120 ATM withdrawals. What could possibly go wrong?

Bredesco lets you take out multiple withdrawals from the same machine until you hit your daily limit for your bank. I've taken out 5000 are before.