Aruba

[ShooBree]

I don't know where you get your information. Aruba's hospital is now just about full. ICU has 1 bed left at the moment. Because they converted another room.

There is a spike in curacao and Bonaire now. So nowhere else to send people. All the doctors at the hospital just published a letter asking everyone on Aruba to shelter in place.

11 persons in the ICU and they have increased the number of ICU beds from 6 to 33. That's 1/3 capacity.

Please refrain from using fake news to support your false narrative. Here are the links to expose your fake news:

https://www.visitaruba.com/news/gene...avel-to-aruba/

https://www.government.aw/news/news_...its_49093.html

And by the way, the lockdowns that you propose didn't eradicate the virus any country.

[Just Incognito]

You can't just lockdown until this is all over. The goal of a country (and most importantly, one like Aruba that relies heavily on tourism) is to keep the economy as open as possible while not overwhelming the health system. In Aruba's case the ICU beds are only at 33% capacity and (hopefully) they've hit peak infections and will start flattening the curve again.

Another lockdown is not the answer, it will completely destroy the economy leading to extreme poverty. Extreme poverty will result in more deaths in the long term than COVID will ever kill on this island.

I don't know where you get your information. Aruba's hospital is now just about full. ICU has 1 bed left at the moment. Because they converted another room.

There is a spike in curacao and Bonaire now. So nowhere else to send people. All the doctors at the hospital just published a letter asking everyone on Aruba to shelter in place.

[Just Incognito]

Shutting the world down until it is 100% safe, when you emerge, you will come out to an entirely different world and not for the better (most especially the USA). I want you to think about what happens if you locked down for a year. Really think. Think of people who have less then you that need to work. I won't even mention the economic impact on govt not collecting tax money but, the mental health, suicides, drug use, depression. You think deaths are high now, lock everyone down with no job, income etc for a year. Life needs to go on. It has too. Shutting everything down is not the answer. With that being said I hope you are practicing what you preach and have not left your house since March. Somehow, I doubt it. I also somehow believe you are financially secure so its easy to say lock down. Just as its easy for the politicians to implement lock downs when they are still collecting pay checks.

If the lockdown is done properly the entire problem is over in 6 weeks. This isn't difficult.

2 weeks viral incubation, 2 weeks active virus in you, 2 weeks post active possible transmission. The virus can't live outside a human host for more than a few days.

It doesn't take a year, it only takes 6 weeks and the whole thing is basically done.

With universal masking and hygiene--this doesn't have to be too drawn out. Or we can just keep managing it for the next 18 months.

[Velosteraw]

This is the exact wrong approach and way of thinking. Its logic like this that explains why America has 4% of the global population and 22% of the covid death.

It doesn't matter if the spread is among the locals: A: tourists may be interacting with the locals and get infected while in Aruba--that's not helping the total situation. Be. Tourists take up space and resources on the island and increase the overall commercial traffic on the island-which isn't helping anyone.

People, just stay home. For a few months. Wear masks, stay distant. And lets HELP get this under control--not be part of the problem because of some selfish self centered myopic view that's all about 'me' instead of 'we'.

2000 cases on Aruba. The island should go into a full lockdown now--that will be fun for tourists.

I hope they lockdown. There is no wealth without health. Reducing transmission of covid needs to be he #1 priority.

You can't just lockdown until this is all over. The goal of a country (and most importantly, one like Aruba that relies heavily on tourism) is to keep the economy as open as possible while not overwhelming the health system. In Aruba's case the ICU beds are only at 33% capacity and (hopefully) they've hit peak infections and will start flattening the curve again.

Another lockdown is not the answer, it will completely destroy the economy leading to extreme poverty. Extreme poverty will result in more deaths in the long term than COVID will ever kill on this island.

[Mfins]

This is the exact wrong approach and way of thinking. Its logic like this that explains why America has 4% of the global population and 22% of the covid death.

It doesn't matter if the spread is among the locals: A: tourists may be interacting with the locals and get infected while in Aruba--that's not helping the total situation. Be. Tourists take up space and resources on the island and increase the overall commercial traffic on the island-which isn't helping anyone.

People, just stay home. For a few months. Wear masks, stay distant. And lets HELP get this under control--not be part of the problem because of some selfish self centered myopic view that's all about 'me' instead of 'we'.

2000 cases on Aruba. The island should go into a full lockdown now--that will be fun for tourists.

I hope they lockdown. There is no wealth without health. Reducing transmission of covid needs to be he #1 priority.

Shutting the world down until it is 100% safe, when you emerge, you will come out to an entirely different world and not for the better (most especially the USA). I want you to think about what happens if you locked down for a year. Really think. Think of people who have less then you that need to work. I won't even mention the economic impact on govt not collecting tax money but, the mental health, suicides, drug use, depression. You think deaths are high now, lock everyone down with no job, income etc for a year. Life needs to go on. It has too. Shutting everything down is not the answer. With that being said I hope you are practicing what you preach and have not left your house since March. Somehow, I doubt it. I also somehow believe you are financially secure so its easy to say lock down. Just as its easy for the politicians to implement lock downs when they are still collecting pay checks.

[Just Incognito]

You make it seem like tourists are to blame. As of 9/14 only 6 active cases among visitors, down from the stagnant 13-16 from the past few weeks. The spike in cases are all locals and has been locals since the outbreak. I've not seen the visitor count go above 16/18 and that because of the quarantine hotel and catching positives at the airport. Meanwhile I see pictures of what look like locals breaking the mandates for group sizes and parties and I saw asshole to elbows right before the outbreak before the US was allowed entry.

As long as tourists adhere to the requirements, I don't see an issue having visitors. Obviously hobbling is out of the question at the moment with curfew and probably no talent, but a vacation seems fine and I've heard glowing reviews of the steps taken to mitigate transmission.

This is the exact wrong approach and way of thinking. Its logic like this that explains why America has 4% of the global population and 22% of the covid death.

It doesn't matter if the spread is among the locals: A: tourists may be interacting with the locals and get infected while in Aruba--that's not helping the total situation. Be. Tourists take up space and resources on the island and increase the overall commercial traffic on the island-which isn't helping anyone.

People, just stay home. For a few months. Wear masks, stay distant. And lets HELP get this under control--not be part of the problem because of some selfish self centered myopic view that's all about 'me' instead of 'we'.

2000 cases on Aruba. The island should go into a full lockdown now--that will be fun for tourists.

I hope they lockdown. There is no wealth without health. Reducing transmission of covid needs to be he #1 priority.

[Geffe71]

Aruba had 90 new positive cases yesterday. 1500 active now. On a small island.

People just need to stay away until they get it under control.

You make it seem like tourists are to blame. As of 9/14 only 6 active cases among visitors, down from the stagnant 13-16 from the past few weeks. The spike in cases are all locals and has been locals since the outbreak. I've not seen the visitor count go above 16/18 and that because of the quarantine hotel and catching positives at the airport. Meanwhile I see pictures of what look like locals breaking the mandates for group sizes and parties and I saw asshole to elbows right before the outbreak before the US was allowed entry.

As long as tourists adhere to the requirements, I don't see an issue having visitors. Obviously hobbling is out of the question at the moment with curfew and probably no talent, but a vacation seems fine and I've heard glowing reviews of the steps taken to mitigate transmission.

[Just Incognito]

Thanks for the clarification. I'm honestly surprised that Aruba hasn't closed its borders since COVID is surging on the island.

Aruba had 90 new positive cases yesterday. 1500 active now. On a small island.

People just need to stay away until they get it under control.

[Quagmire1974]

I used to live on Aruba. Not anymore. 1600+ cases now on the island. Its a clusterfuck. Doesn't matter what is open-its not safe to be there.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm honestly surprised that Aruba hasn't closed its borders since COVID is surging on the island.

[Just Incognito]

Apparently, JustIncognito lives on Aruba, too. In May 2017, he posted:


Everything? Take a look at the following website:

https://www.visitaruba.com/news/gene...avel-to-aruba/

Scroll down to August 5, 2020, where it states:

"August 5, 2020 Aruba government announces additional measures including closure of bars and nightclubs. During a press conference this evening, the Aruba government has announced that all bars, rumshops and nightclubs are to close as of tonight at 8:30 pm until further notice. "

So, has that changed, especially given the fact that it is now August 24? If bars and nightclubs are closed, that is definitely going to impact mongers in Aruba, as many reports written here in the Aruba ISG thread indicate WGs can be found in the bars and nightclubs.

I used to live on Aruba. Not anymore. 1600+ cases now on the island. Its a clusterfuck. Doesn't matter what is open-its not safe to be there.

[DDS71]

I have been traveling to Aruba once or twice a year since 2005. I really wonder if the San Nicolas red light set-up is going to survive this pandemic. I remember back in 2005, there were probably a dozen or more really good bars with 5-6 (or more) great looking Colombians in each bar. The last 5 years things have been dwindling each year. Black / White Bar, Copacabana, and Chesterfields were about it the last time I was there in August 2019. Now that there have been no Colombians the last 6 months I really wonder how the remaining bars are going to survive. Also, with the oil refinery shut down for years now I think the Aruban government would like to repurpose that entire area. Will be interesting to see what happens, I will always have great memories of my times in San Nicolas.

[Scubatoo]

August 4 there were 8 active Covid cases in Aruba. Yesterday, 1160. New cases trending down, but still at 60 yesterday. Aruba will not be on my list of travel destinations any time soon.

[Quagmire1974]

I live here

Apparently, JustIncognito lives on Aruba, too. In May 2017, he posted:

I live on Aruba. I have a US Passport.

Everything is open.

Everything? Take a look at the following website:

https://www.visitaruba.com/news/gene...avel-to-aruba/

Scroll down to August 5, 2020, where it states:

"August 5, 2020 Aruba government announces additional measures including closure of bars and nightclubs. During a press conference this evening, the Aruba government has announced that all bars, rumshops and nightclubs are to close as of tonight at 8:30 pm until further notice. "

So, has that changed, especially given the fact that it is now August 24? If bars and nightclubs are closed, that is definitely going to impact mongers in Aruba, as many reports written here in the Aruba ISG thread indicate WGs can be found in the bars and nightclubs.

[JMoco123]

The island is on lockdown. Most flights stopped between islands and a few still coming to / from Holland and the us with very strict rules. Now is not the time to even think about going to Aruba. Wait until 2021. Nobody will be out and about there--people are getting panicked, the island is in chaos and the economy in shambles. If you give a shit about anyone on the island besides yourself--you will stay away--and that is true for all these small Caribbean islands!

All true except that Aruba is not in lockdown. I live here. Everything is open. Hotels, Restaurants and stores are all open. There are only a few restrictions. There cannot be gatherings with more than 4 people and you have to wear a mask in every establishment. There is also social distancing rules in every store. But outside you don't have to wear a mask. Furthermore the economy is picking up. Things will be fine. Tourist are welcome here. It is a perfect time to come and relax because the Island will not be crowded.

[Just Incognito]

Anyone on the ground in Aruba or been since reopening?

Is San Nic operating like usual? Or closed due to Covid?

A local Aruban guy went to Holland. He returned, left quarantine early and worked in 2 bars and a night club. All while having and spreading the viirus without knowing it. In 2-3 weeks Aruba has gone from 5 cases to over 1000! There are about 1000 active cases on the island right now giving it the highest per capita covid rate in the world! The island is on lockdown. Most flights stopped between islands and a few still coming to / from Holland and the us with very strict rules. Now is not the time to even think about going to Aruba. Wait until 2021. Nobody will be out and about there--people are getting panicked, the island is in chaos and the economy in shambles. If you give a shit about anyone on the island besides yourself--you will stay away--and that is true for all these small Caribbean islands!