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09-10-20 18:28 #17285
Posts: 6735
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09-10-20 16:58 #17284
Posts: 435LR will reopen tomorrow on Sept. 11th.
Babylon will reopen on Thursday, September 17th.
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09-10-20 14:00 #17283
Posts: 1860Originally Posted by Pistons [View Original Post]
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09-10-20 07:43 #17282
Posts: 6735https://www.total-slovenia-news.com/...tion-ring-case
I am not sure my last link worked, so we try again.
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09-10-20 06:45 #17281
Posts: 22436Originally Posted by Pistons [View Original Post]
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09-10-20 03:46 #17280
Posts: 6735OK, just for PayForit, I will recopy this post into this subforum also. As I suppose not everyone reads the Austrian forum here, and even less reads the Slovenian forum.
Marina (Slovenia).
I came across this very interesting story:
https://www.total-slovenia-news.com/...tion-ring-case
So it seems the Slovenian Interior Ministry of State Franc Kangler is putting this on the agenda. Meaning the final word when it comes to Marina might not have been said.
Read:
'Kangler said the NBI, which worked on the case for several years, had forged documents, conducted house searches without warrants, monitored and photographed the lawyers of the defendants and illegally violated privacy.'
And as we all know, evidence gained through illegal conduct can not be used legally. For example the illegal violation of privacy. Which is part of an EU legal bill that came through in 2015 if I am not mistaken. Meaning, they have no valuable evidence of any P6 activity whatsoever. And if so is the case, then the owners of the club may actually both be allowed to reopen (once the covid-19 is over), and be able to take the NBI into court, and demand a hefty reimbursement.
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09-10-20 03:34 #17279
Posts: 6735Originally Posted by PayForIt [View Original Post]
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09-09-20 22:44 #17278
Posts: 7321Originally Posted by PayForIt [View Original Post]
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09-09-20 21:51 #17277
Posts: 22436Originally Posted by HammerTime96 [View Original Post]
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09-09-20 20:30 #17276
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by Mongerer88 [View Original Post]
Of course if you have $5 grand in the bank and looking to become an FKK owner, it will not happen with the private partnership structure. So, perhaps they dream of public stocks, with they hope that they can buy 50 shares at $100 each. That is too bad. One can't always have what one dreams of. We live in a real world, and it has its own realities. Wishing away those realities is well, just wishful thinking.
"So in his theory, I suppose, if FKKs were publicly-traded, then society would have greater acceptance of this activity and local zoning laws would become less of an issue" - yeah, I sense that attitude. And that is the problem. Public acceptance of a business allows for that stock to flourish but merely a stock getting listed does not lead to greater public acceptance. The cause and effect are reversed in that thinking. It is one reason why those FKK ownerships stay private. Because the owners know there is limited public acceptance.
Take cannabis and tobacco. The acceptance of cannabis in US society took a long time to happen, even now not everyone is happy with it although practically every single presidential candidate has smoked weed at some point in life. Now, there are a few cannabis stocks such as CGC, Aurora, Acreage Holdings, etc. I don't follow this industry, I have never bought their stocks, I am not an expert on them. But I do know that these stocks getting listed and trading on public markets did not change anyone's prior views or acceptance of marijuana. Rather, marijuana was widely used, slowly became more accepted, and then became legal. And sure enough, a few large enough companies with real revenues and profits emerged, and they got listed and trade now, and people own them to make money, not to make a statement.
And that is the key thing. Very few people are foolish enough to buy stocks because they want to make a statement. You keep your money and emotions separated, or else you will soon part with your money and only have bad taste in mouth and hurt emotions in your heart.
Take tobacco on the other hand. Tobacco stocks have existed for decades. They were some of the most valuable companies in the world. Tobacco stocks were a key part of the largest, most important investment fund families. They still stayed legal. But the public sentiment on tobacco soured over decades. Altria, British tobacco, Japan tobacco, PM all still trade, all still very large, but stock prices are down nearly half from a few years ago, and again the stock being traded is not influencing anyone positively but rather people's opinion of tobacco turning negative over time has kept on these stock prices.
A stock getting listed does not even mean there will be greater competition and service shall improve. Competition increases and service improves quite independently of whether clubs are owned privately or as a stock in public hands. Competition is weak in Berlin and prices and service are not great at Artemis. There is more competition, more clubs in NRW and relatively speaking service has been better. All of them privately owned.
Since we are in German forums, the most important part of German industry is the famous Mittelstand. Germany is roughly a 40-45% bigger economy than France but France has more "large enterprises" and a bigger weight in MSCI Europe than Germany does. The true backbone of German industry is however the Mittelstand companies. These are small, medium, some are up to billions in revenue but many stayed private. Fiercely independent, largely family owed and passed generation to generation, these are extremely competitive, very well run, but many or most of them are NOT listed. They are privately owned.
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09-09-20 19:34 #17275
Posts: 22436Artemis
From my information, at least 100 and even more for 30 mn with traditional BJ, at Artemis. Swiss rate. Worth only if great beauties, but not sure many.
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09-09-20 19:23 #17274
Posts: 1385Well, I posted a dozen times that IMO, the chance of large FKK clubs opening prior to Sept was less than 5% and prior to December was less than 25% and it appears I am spectacularly wrong. So, I will go and order myself a crow and finish with a humble pie for dessert For now however, I will stay away from the clubs, for personal reasons.
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09-09-20 18:04 #17273
Posts: 6457Cost of pussy and ass
Originally Posted by PayForIt [View Original Post]
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09-09-20 17:20 #17272
Posts: 1860Prices
So. Lot's of great posts (thanks) about when clubs are re-opening. Notably nothing yet from Pistons, and nothing about the clubs in Hessen opening up yet. Are virus cases in Hessen high?
Query: I was a little surprised to see the jump in prices in Artemis - 90 e entry and 70/30 minutes. Of course it has always been the most expensive FKK (so far as I know) with previous prices 80 e and 60/30 compared to 50/30 almost everywhere else and lower entry fees. As has been quoted, this will reflect the monopoly the club enjoys in Berlin (in itself very odd. Why on earth don't some entrepreneurs open other FKKs in Berlin. There must be room for 3 or 4 at least like in Frankfurt). My query is whether members think we will now see prices increase (entry and room prices) in other clubs. A chance for the club and girls to attempt to recover some lost income whilst closed? It goes without saying I hope not! But it will be interesting to see if this opportunity is seized upon. Prices in Spain in at least one big club (Scandalos Malaga) increased significantly after re-opening. Hope that won't be followed throughout Germany but worrying that it happened in Spain and now in Berlin and causes me to think it might be repeated elsewhere.
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09-09-20 14:52 #17271
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by Maxime [View Original Post]