Seeking Arrangements

[BrizLad]

Good move, man. Have fun. I always feel that once you fucked a girl once, then you can usually fuck them again. Even when a year or two goes by. Even if she gets married or has a BF later. It's weird, man. It's almost as if the girl thinks, "I fucked him already, so what's the big deal if we fuck again. ".

Well the vegas girl is possibly more "professional" and he is prepared to pay which is more than we would do for a bitter ex-GF.

Of course, I too like to keep my free ex-GF open but for me I have found that they need to have 'moved-on' and be with a new partner. If they are single and looking then they think my rekindled interest is more than sex.

[Nounce]

Thanks! I watched a couple of Youtube videos; the rooms look dingy and the "girls" not my type. Looks like a 1970's movie scene depicting an AMP, tbh. I guess if I were a permanent HK resident with no other sex avenue I might consider it as a last minute desperate measure but when I watch this Fuji building I realized how good are the FKKs and how much I miss them. For that matter, even in HK I will look to find sugar babes if I am stuck there for a long time (and assuming I have the confidence the local commies will not throw me in jail on one pretext or other).

The building is old but the rooms are relatively clean with shower.

[WyattEarp]

Thanks! I watched a couple of Youtube videos; the rooms look dingy and the "girls" not my type. Looks like a 1970's movie scene depicting an AMP, tbh. I guess if I were a permanent HK resident with no other sex avenue I might consider it as a last minute desperate measure but when I watch this Fuji building I realized how good are the FKKs and how much I miss them. For that matter, even in HK I will look to find sugar babes if I am stuck there for a long time (and assuming I have the confidence the local commies will not throw me in jail on one pretext or other).

The 141 walk-up girls are definitely do your deed move on. You can also get a so-so massage before or after if you want some relaxation.

I'm fine with the Fuji Building (the best looking girls IMHO) on the island side and 33-35 Carnavon Road (decent girls) with ground floor 7-11 store on the Kowloon side. The rooms are decorated cutesy with stuff posted on the wall like what you would expect from young girls. The rooms usually have single beds. These two buildings seem like a women's dorm to me. I think many of the girls live there during their days working. Nothing fancy, but serviceable.

Believe me, there are some hellhole walk-up buildings around HK. If you like adventure and the feeling you are doing an illicit deed in a 1950's gritty black and white movie, those buildings are for you.

If you have any questions, I can try to answer them via PM.

[WyattEarp]

Do tell. What is 141 and is it unique to HK?

I'm not a total expert on the HK scene, but 141 is an ad website and "141 girls" seems to also be a nickname for the girls in the walkups. I don't know which came first. 141 has escort ads, but it is also is ubiquitous for promoting the walkup building girls.

You basically walk around a building with girls in small dorms some with a small shower. There's prices posted on the door. You knock on the door. If you don't like what you see, you say thank you and move to the next. It's mostly Asian girls, but a few Russian girls seem to be in the Fuji building. It's definitely wham-bam thank you ma'am.

[Pessimist]

Google "Fuji Building, Hong Kong" or "141" with sex just before it.
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Thanks! I watched a couple of Youtube videos; the rooms look dingy and the "girls" not my type. Looks like a 1970's movie scene depicting an AMP, tbh. I guess if I were a permanent HK resident with no other sex avenue I might consider it as a last minute desperate measure but when I watch this Fuji building I realized how good are the FKKs and how much I miss them. For that matter, even in HK I will look to find sugar babes if I am stuck there for a long time (and assuming I have the confidence the local commies will not throw me in jail on one pretext or other).

[JackTheLad2]

Do tell. What is 141 and is it unique to HK?

Google "Fuji Building, Hong Kong" or "141" with sex just before it.


These are skyscraper blocks full of small rooms (brothels) all over the place. All legal in HK. To be seen to be believed. Not aware there are located in any other place.

[Steve 9696]

Your assessment of the HK scene is spot on, IMO. I was in HK last year, and the Wan Chai club scene was dead. A caveat is that I was there a bit early, around 11 pm and on a weekday, but it still means that it isn't what it used to be.

The MP scene is just horrible.

But the walkups (though it's now getting harder to find gems) and also the 141 action are still hopping.

So, overall, I couldn't recommend HK just for the walkups and the 141 scene.

BTW, if you guys haven't tried the 141 scene, you guys are missing out on a very unusual and crazy way to monger. This is off topic, so I won't bother describing it unless there's a request.

Do tell. What is 141 and is it unique to HK?

[ErsatzJulian]

Your assessment of the HK scene is spot on, IMO. I was in HK last year, and the Wan Chai club scene was dead. A caveat is that I was there a bit early, around 11 pm and on a weekday, but it still means that it isn't what it used to be.

The MP scene is just horrible.

But the walkups (though it's now getting harder to find gems) and also the 141 action are still hopping.

So, overall, I couldn't recommend HK just for the walkups and the 141 scene.

BTW, if you guys haven't tried the 141 scene, you guys are missing out on a very unusual and crazy way to monger. This is off topic, so I won't bother describing it unless there's a request.

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[Midwestern]

Since it appears you are talking about the broader P4P category, has Hong Kong really gone downhill? For some reason, the Wan Chai hooker club scene has gone downhill. However, the walk-up scene had seemed to be going strong. I do realize the HK walk-up scene is impersonal and kind of wham-bam thank you ma'am affair. It is kind of fun though.

Your assessment of the HK scene is spot on, IMO. I was in HK last year, and the Wan Chai club scene was dead. A caveat is that I was there a bit early, around 11 pm and on a weekday, but it still means that it isn't what it used to be.

The MP scene is just horrible.

But the walkups (though it's now getting harder to find gems) and also the 141 action are still hopping.

So, overall, I couldn't recommend HK just for the walkups and the 141 scene.

BTW, if you guys haven't tried the 141 scene, you guys are missing out on a very unusual and crazy way to monger. This is off topic, so I won't bother describing it unless there's a request.

[WyattEarp]

Good move, man. Have fun. I always feel that once you fucked a girl once, then you can usually fuck them again. Even when a year or two goes by. Even if she gets married or has a BF later. It's weird, man. It's almost as if the girl thinks, "I fucked him already, so what's the big deal if we fuck again. ".

Haha, so true. That's why you can hook-up with ex-GFs. They're horny and it doesn't add to their "number".

[Midwestern]

I am planning a weekend trip soon to another city. I've been cruising SA and of course working the usual angles. A few promising prospects. Plus Layla wants to go with me but I am not sure that's worth it. And I have another new local prospect but after an amazing first date she dodged a kiss and has been luke warm.

So I figure no harm just pinging Alexa (Vegas December) and saying hey want to fly to xxx and meet me for the weekend? Just a flyer to keep my options open. Gave it a one in ten chance.

Boom. She's like absolutely! Flights are booked and hotel is booked. It was two hours from "crazy idea" to seeing Alexa for a weekend. Sure pays to have the Rolodex! Totally stoked.

Good move, man. Have fun. I always feel that once you fucked a girl once, then you can usually fuck them again. Even when a year or two goes by. Even if she gets married or has a BF later. It's weird, man. It's almost as if the girl thinks, "I fucked him already, so what's the big deal if we fuck again. ".

[Steve 9696]

I am planning a weekend trip soon to another city. I've been cruising SA and of course working the usual angles. A few promising prospects. Plus Layla wants to go with me but I am not sure that's worth it. And I have another new local prospect but after an amazing first date she dodged a kiss and has been luke warm.

So I figure no harm just pinging Alexa (Vegas December) and saying hey want to fly to xxx and meet me for the weekend? Just a flyer to keep my options open. Gave it a one in ten chance.

Boom. She's like absolutely! Flights are booked and hotel is booked. It was two hours from "crazy idea" to seeing Alexa for a weekend. Sure pays to have the Rolodex! Totally stoked.

[Pessimist]

I have very limited experience compared to all of you experienced guys, but here goes my 2 cents. The local sugar website in my local country doesn't hold a candle to seeking. The girls on SA are much, much more DTF and don't mind talking about short arrangements right away. They are also much more beautiful. I know the bait-and-switch about the photoshopped photos, but you can just immediately see the difference right away. Its like everyone knows exactly why they are here. Whereas on the local site (where I spent a couple of months), a lot of girls were just curious or get offended when you try to steer the conversation towards sex. Maybe I am just not that patient haha. In my opinion, if you are trying to build a long term thing, my country's local website is an option. But if you are looking to fuck in the not so far future, SA all the way.

Did SA have more girls in your local city than the native sugar babe site you tried in your local city?

My guess is that SA being the most popular site, has reasonably good number of girl listings in many major European cities but US still has the most listings (not sure if Canada does too). I just did a spot check how many girls are on the site at this minute in my city and a few large European cities. Within a radius of 50 miles, I counted 220+ women in my city (no filters; I. E. All ages, ethnicity, shapes and sizes). When I did the same spot check in 5,6 European cities on SA, at the moment less than 20 to 40 girls were present. Madrid had 130 but Madrid is much bigger than where I live. Also, there are 6 to 7 hours time difference between where I live to these European cities. My experience is that most girls login to the site in the evenings, whereas it is approximately 1 PM in the afternoon here.

SA and sugarbabe is largely a US phenomenon. Much like match.com began here, most of the social media, and other such technologies were born here. It may be that locals are less familiar with the concept of internet matched sugar babe / daddy in many other places such as Europe. Numbers may increase in future. In my own experience, I see many more girls on SA in both my own city and also in many European cities now than there used to be in the past. 4 years ago, the number of available girls were absolutely far fewer than now.

I also get the sense that SA caters to American / English speak men to a larger extent. The traveling American male so to speak. Many girls in non English speaking countries go out of their way to let us know they can speak English and even write their profile description in English. Why would they need to do it if their primary clientele is a non English speaking local man? There must be a lot of Americans on the road and these girls target such men as main customers / daddies.

[WyattEarp]

Getting banned on SA for being too forward in a quest for sex seems to be a common mistake. I've read about this happening to several men on several forums discussing SA. The contradictions on the SA site are everywhere. You have sexy, young girls posting bikini shots "Seeking. Friend with benefits, No strings attached, Discretion". It's easy to get confused about the mating dance on the site.

It's easy to make assumptions like "everyone knows what the site is for". Yet, there are girls declaring they are only seeking platonic relationships. Then there are older women who seem to be looking only for some attention. Since it has been said the woman don't pay to post their profile, I guess it's always going to be a very mixed bag of intentions from the women on the site. They can give anything a shot when it don't cost nothin'.

As has been mentioned you have to anticipate ASD (anti-**** defenses) and gently navigate them. I have given Steve repeated credit for this adage, but it still makes sense to keep the money as far away as possible from the sex. I am a SA apprentice, but I have been in these type of relationships overseas. Gifts, allowances, help with living expenses, whatever you want to call it, make the arrangement acceptable to the young women.

[Pessimist]

In my view, the strength of local listings is most important. If a sugar daddy site has 10,000 babes in Munich but only a few hundred in my home city, it does not help me much. I have only used secret benefits and sugardaddy.com, and only for short periods. I didn't like the usage based pricing on secret benefits and the quality and quantity of girls was worse than on SA. That was 3 years ago, and things may have improved. I also did not travel when I had secret benefits subscription and who knows if it had better listings in other cities. This is why I think it is important for guys to check out sites which are good in their area. I like SA, it has a good number of girls and quality is good. Granted many "girls" are scammers but that may be true on other sugarbabe sites as well. How can a site weed out scammer girls anyway? They can demand to see full identification before allowing a girl to obtain account but that may deter many girls to not join the site at all.

I feel for Jack, but in reality that may happen on other sites as well. Sites want to stay alive and not be shut down by LE. If solicitation happens on the site openly, it is at big risk. The site owners are making ridiculous amounts of money. They would do anything to keep that money coming in, so it is in their interest to remove even traces of solicitation and make it appear like SA is very clean.

BFsie is not in this thread I guess but he is a long time user of sugarbabe babes and he is in DE I think. I don't know if SA is the best site to use in DE. They may have a local site which is better than SA. Guys should do their own research and see what works for them locally.