Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Mr Ho]

Covid has me holed up in my home country. Some weeks ago I sessioned an escort who is as beautiful as the average hot FKK girl. Her problem is that she apparently burns the candle at both ends and appears to not take care of her health (probably eats lots of junk food) and does not get enough sleep. She is very much in demand and so far I have had many encounters with her. Unusually for me each session I have had with her has been better than the previous one. The last one I had last week was phenomenal. Is this because of not being able to bang hot FKK girls and getting accustomed to US hookers? I find myself requesting her time and again. I am going to call for her again today.

If demand is so high and escort do exist in USA, then I wonder why no supplier supply it properly in business mind nation like USA! I hope there is Larryflynt for prostitution industry soon for the sake and comfort of you guys! Someone need to break the ice as even though law is grey, there is people doing it, so only thing they need is to improve the quality and so many immigrants in USA, so talents are there for sure! Or do it by border on the side of Mexico!

[Pessimist]

No, I haven't tried Seeking Arrangements. Each time I open SA thread I struggle because it's so geographically wide spread and I am getting lost in region-specific code words and tactics. Honestly I don't have time or motivation for a concept with an unknown rate of success in the end. The whole idea of dating before sex is a huge turn off for me. I am not a good negotiator, either. What would I tell her? Zimmer? Or baby, let's take you to the nearest men's restroom and bang you there standing facing the wall in the stall? Not sure it would impress her that much.

It may sound strange, but if I had to pick between a beautiful SB with a baggage of texting and dating vs. A cheap erohw on a side walk, I'd choose the latter. Just seeing her on the street is an instant turn on for me. I love real ones since many moons ago when I drove to Boston combat zone and fucked them on the back seat of my dad's car.

That is fine, and sorry I didn't mean to have a harsh tone. I thought Phallus' post was unnecessarily combative but I thought you were a bit like me: looking for some pay and play opportunities. You did mention you are open to mongering options in the US. One of the reasons I prefer SA is because you can control the dialog end to end and abort anytime if things don't smell right.

Whether you want to be on SA or not is your choice obviously but perhaps you might want to read up on the ISG thread. Even your comment above ("The whole idea of dating before sex is a huge turn off for me. I am not a good negotiator, either. What would I tell her? Zimmer? Or baby, let's take you to the nearest men's restroom and bang you there standing facing the wall in the stall? Not sure it would impress her that much") has a lot of misconceptions in my view. I have written lengthy notes about how things work on SA in the dedicated thread, others have too, and it is not productive to repeat any of that. A simple reading will suffice and if you have any more questions, we can discuss then. But in my view, SA feels a lot more secure than escort sites, although M88 might not agree. Perhaps it is a question of personal preference.

[Mursenary]

Dude, is this your first experience in forum posting? There was no need to quote the rest of your post as that wasn't the point. The last part was quoted because it was the part that mattered. As in, you just made a weak argument but concluded with "peace. " You literally "peaced" out after crying about 2 other people disagreeing with you but somehow you took that as making an irrefutable point? That's both a pussy move and also a bit of hedging your bet, no? But if you

Little green light. 5 bucks says Pessimist is writing another emotional diatribe that ignores points that he knows is indefensible.

[Pessimist]

Dude, is this your first experience in forum posting? There was no need to quote the rest of your post as that wasn't the point. The last part was quoted because it was the part that mattered. As in, you just made a weak argument but concluded with "peace. " You literally "peaced" out after crying about 2 other people disagreeing with you but somehow you took that as making an irrefutable point? That's both a pussy move and also a bit of hedging your bet, no? But if you want your weak ass argument refuted, sure. Your rebuttal ignored the overwhelming data cited where average age and crime were directly correlated and picked out data outliers and used them as your argument. That's a basic logical fallacy of debate, the outlier fallacy or is it proof by example? Can't remember, I quit debate team in 10th grade. Data will always have outliers, citing the outliers while ignoring the overwhelming trend is pretty much a cardinal sin of data analysis. Ignoring the majority of data and focusing on the bits that fit your argument and somehow you think you made a strong case? Perhaps if you said, "I see the trend but what is the reasoning behind these outliers," it would have led to a productive discussion but nope, you just wanted to win an argument using flawed logic.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp

https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php

Dafuq? What dafuq does my race have anything to do with anything? And when did I vent against white people? Pretty sure my statement of "oppressor" is one that criticized the crazy lefties who used that word to describe white people.

First, do you attach all humans to a government's actions? How simplistic. Second, you don't know if I am Chinese or Thai but yet you attach me to 2020 Chinese government atrocities? So all people of Asian decent are lumped together for you? Should I question you about German Holocausts atrocities? Come on Pessimist, why did your people do those horrible things to all of those innocent Jews and Gypsies? Is any of this getting through?.

Oh fuck off. First off all, in my view it is far more likely that you are more of a researcher in health sciences area than being an actual physician. I have enough doctors in my family to know one when I see one. From Pistons comment it appears he actually met you and hence there may be a lot of truth to his comments and observations. As for being insecure. My wife and I have paid 200 grand taxes annually for 10 years and nearer to 250 for the last 5; we pay 60 grand tuition annually for our kids' private schools alone, far more than most people pay here for mongering. My partners and I created some well paying jobs for a handful of people, yes even a couple of minorities; I have done more than my bit for society; the last thing I will ever be in this life anymore is to be financially insecure, especially in the presence of a pompous fool like you.

Now I get what others have said about you that you keep changing your avatars because you are always being nasty and probably get kicked off the site. It appears that being a race warrior is your hobby horse; I have no idea if you got bullied for being Asian when you were in grade school and taking it out on White FKK WGs and anonymous members on ISG, but your accusations are wasted.

For the last 6 months, I have been waging a lone battle against Gino right here about discriminatory admission policies that related too Asians like you. You have no idea who I am, what I have been etc but throw random race accusations because you have anger management issues. *If I were as dense as you* I would have said you are siding with the throat slitters and beheaders and you are an Islamic terrorist sympathizer. Whatever you are will not make the least difference to me because more than anything else you appear to be a resentful, self-righteous, pseudo-PC race warrior who is also a huge hypocrite when it suits him and frequents discriminatory clubs and then comes and lectures the rest of us.

Anyway, I am sure you will come up more asinine kitchen sink accusations, and that is fine with me. Enough time wasted on a troll like you; bye.

[Mursenary]

That second snippet which you oh so cleverly chopped had a bunch of rebuttals. You had zero clue how to respond because you and McAdonis made up some nonsense about absolute income levels and crime indices which was not supported in your own data tables. Then you used that line about McA and you as an excuse to abort it. At least McA had the decency to keep quiet and I could have called on it back then but I had no interest either. But I guess you could not let go. Do you really feel others are not able to read? I can also cut and paste all that history but it is all pointless and anyone who cares can easily look it up. But it appears to me you have some anger issues and keep dredging things up (and that seems inline with the comments people made about your past).

Dude, is this your first experience in forum posting? There was no need to quote the rest of your post as that wasn't the point. The last part was quoted because it was the part that mattered. As in, you just made a weak argument but concluded with "peace. " You literally "peaced" out after crying about 2 other people disagreeing with you but somehow you took that as making an irrefutable point? That's both a pussy move and also a bit of hedging your bet, no? But if you want your weak ass argument refuted, sure. Your rebuttal ignored the overwhelming data cited where average age and crime were directly correlated and picked out data outliers and used them as your argument. That's a basic logical fallacy of debate, the outlier fallacy or is it proof by example? Can't remember, I quit debate team in 10th grade. Data will always have outliers, citing the outliers while ignoring the overwhelming trend is pretty much a cardinal sin of data analysis. Ignoring the majority of data and focusing on the bits that fit your argument and somehow you think you made a strong case? Perhaps if you said, "I see the trend but what is the reasoning behind these outliers," it would have led to a productive discussion but nope, you just wanted to win an argument using flawed logic.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp

https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php

As for the rest of the garbage you typed in the middle paragraphs, please spare me. I don't need morality lectures from crazy leftists or right wingers, I am happy in my own skin. It appears you are Chinese or Thai per Pistons, and if so you should take a look at the land of your ancestors how they treat Moslems and African Americans instead of venting against Whites. I personally have no clue what your ethnicity is and I could not care in the slightest but if it is true, it would behoove you to take a look in the mirror once in a while. I have to say you have a lot of nerve making up stuff about people you never met ("I'm sure you scoff when black people" -- in your prior comment for example). I think you said you are young (although not that much younger than me I guess) and it seems your immaturity matches your "youth" based on the liberties you take writing about people you never met.

Dafuq? What dafuq does my race have anything to do with anything? And when did I vent against white people? Pretty sure my statement of "oppressor" is one that criticized the crazy lefties who used that word to describe white people.

First, do you attach all humans to a government's actions? How simplistic. Second, you don't know if I am Chinese or Thai but yet you attach me to 2020 Chinese government atrocities? So all people of Asian decent are lumped together for you? Should I question you about German Holocausts atrocities? Come on Pessimist, why did your people do those horrible things to all of those innocent Jews and Gypsies? Is any of this getting through?

Anyway, last time I checked my passport said "United States of America. " But perhaps you are one of those people who ask, "but where are you really from?" and don't accept non-white people as being truly American. Actually, that mindset matches your deportation statement. Yep, checks out. I'll recognize that you have made many knowledgeable points in previous posts but man, after reading your thought process on race, religion, and nationality, it's apparent that your socio-cultural IQ is garbage.

Side note, my recommendation is to not hitch your wagon to Piston's devil tongue as I've learned a bit too late that honesty is not one of his strong suits. But hey, I'll leave the judgement of character to your own devices. Tread carefully.

As for the absurd accusation "You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France", if you bother to take a close look, I referred to the barbarians that implicitly cheered the beheadings and I did not say all Moslems in FR should be deported (I even said majority are probably against it) but I guess your anger issues cloud your reading skills. In any case, are you a fucking mind reformer? Have you ever patronized GT which per recent discussion has a discriminating door policy, and what should we say about your willingness to attend a club that you knew actively stops dark people but not you?

For once, I agree with you 100%. France needs to be tougher. All these Muslims went to France because they wanted to, France did not abduct them from the ghettos they lived in their home countries. If they can't put up with their mullah and allah ribbed a little, they should have stayed in their homeland ghettos. The weird thing is that at least a majority of the Muslims in France must be aghast at these atrocities committed by their Islamic brothers, but as usual, they always keep quiet but raise their heads only when their beloved prophet is insulted. France should round these barbarians up and ship them back to their homeland. That is one action I would be fully supportive of.

I thought god is someone that is supposed to take care of you when you are in trouble, but these idiot barbarians get themselves into trouble trying to protect their god and the dignity of god. What a twisted world they live in.

I don't see where you delineate the difference between the violent extremists and peaceful Muslims. Actually, the deportation comment came directly after you mentioned the majority lot. Is it your poor writing? Or is it my third grade reading level? I dunno, you look a little closer.

As for GT, I would say that they should change their door policy. I have racist friends and family and recognize their flaws, does not mean they are worthless associations. I'm pretty sure despite your hatemonger statements, you have some good qualities too.

To your last line, more nonsense. I never claimed I was any sort of intellectual but you have made multiple references to your profession in an effort to pull rank. I missed the part where your Nobel prize was verified by ISG that you come strutting around throwing darts at others for being fake intellectuals. Some others have made less charitable remarks about your credentials but I don't need to repeat them.

Pretty sure I've just mentioned my profession in relation to coronavirus topics. If that means pulling rank, then yes, I do feel that I know more about that topic than the rest of the posters here. If that makes you or anyone else insecure, I'm not sure how to solve that problem for you guys. Go get a medical degree? Become a nurse? Maybe just paramedic school?

[Smoke Light]

You tried it? How long did you spend on the site, how many women have you met? Care to share any experiences? I have been on that site for 4+ years, nearing 5. My experiences have been very positive. I have written about them in both German threads and also in the dedicated SA thread on ISG. Many others contribute in the SA thread, and what you said above is not a sentiment shared by those. I pay $80 a month voluntarily to be on the site because it provides something of value; no one put a gun to me to stay on.

No, I haven't tried Seeking Arrangements. Each time I open SA thread I struggle because it's so geographically wide spread and I am getting lost in region-specific code words and tactics. Honestly I don't have time or motivation for a concept with an unknown rate of success in the end. The whole idea of dating before sex is a huge turn off for me. I am not a good negotiator, either. What would I tell her? Zimmer? Or baby, let's take you to the nearest men's restroom and bang you there standing facing the wall in the stall? Not sure it would impress her that much.

It may sound strange, but if I had to pick between a beautiful SB with a baggage of texting and dating vs. A cheap erohw on a side walk, I'd choose the latter. Just seeing her on the street is an instant turn on for me. I love real ones since many moons ago when I drove to Boston combat zone and fucked them on the back seat of my dad's car.

[Ararat]

Look, to the general public, mongering is hardly on the radar. It is of interest only to some men. I did a Google search and it says 14-20% of American men use prostitution. That is a lower percent than the number of men who admitted they have used marijuana at some point in their life. No one called US a police state because marijuana was illegal. Or perhaps some marijuana forums do call US a police state, I don't know, I am not a member on such forums. I just searched dog fighting also and apparently even that abhorrent "sport" has a sizable following. I don't know what sorta gripes fans of dog fighting have because their "sport" is illegal; perhaps they too call US a police state because their sport is illegal?

I am a monger as is everyone here and have full sympathy for the current predicament many of us are in, but it is an extreme to be calling US (or any other country for that matter) a police state because they do not have ready access to thousands of nubile girls primed to suck and fuck for 50. This country has many legitimate faults and a lot of minorities and others do suffer badly at the hands of police occasionally and the income / wealth disparity has driven millions into despair far worse than any lack of access to prostitution does to men. I have a rolodex of sugar babes who are nice and are hurting for cash in this pandemic and would love to see me, I would love to see them but I am staying put for a number of reasons and staying away from them. I wish I could be in FKKs as well, or meeting my sugar babes but I am able to control myself and I did not die of too much blue ball syndrome. Please let us have some perspective on this.

Agreed. I find it very annoying with some people who think it's their right to visit prositutes even during a pandemic. This isn't even on my radar of things to complain about.

We are all here so I'd think we could all expect some common courtesy that nobody's against prostitution on the forum but some of us can see how little it means to the vast majority of people. Besides, I find that it meant a whole lot less to me than I thought. Once my foreign business trips dried up and the opportunity to monger did too I realized I haven't actually missed the clubs the entire summer. It's not until about now I started to think about it. The lack of travel on the other hand or the restrictions (and even then Sweden have virtually none compared to many other countries) or the fact that my employer is in a bad mood right now. These are the things that bother me.

Not that I can't get a BBBJ from a Romanian in Sharks or World.

[BrahmaPoutre]

I get where you are tying to go, but I do sometimes even though I do not see any point doing that, so read back carefully.

However, why do you come on forum to pick a fight or point finger at others? It shows your limited mongering experiences and happiness in your life because I am happy guy with my sex life since age 17 as most mongers with good lives are, so I got nothing to rant or point finger at anybody, what is your purpose in doing this? Please answer as I like to know your mental state behind such a negative attitude.

Why do ask again why?

I thought you would get it when I pointed out that you write here every day but I never read any decent reports of a visit in FKK from you.

But OK, no need to insist, I would not bother you again with that because now FKK are closed, so I have no reason to spend more time here (from March to June when FKK were closed, I almost didn't connect because mainly I am only interested by reports here, I am personally not really interested by all the general discussions, not really my cup of tea.)

[Pessimist]

Looks like you got the facts wrong there bud. Seems like you're the one who peace out first, pretty much exactly when presented with data that undermined your point.

You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France / other western nations due to their religious affiliation and later unapologetically doubled downed. Now you're using state sanctioned boycotts to further support condemnation of innocent people. No high horse needed to point out the dangerous bigotry being promoted. You are no better than the Trumpers in your rhetoric.

You don't have to be left or right to be a hate monger. Attaching left versus right dichotomy labels is very revealing of an inability to parse through nuances and reveals a simplistic world view. Furthermore, proposing extremist reaction to extremist actions makes you no better than the war mongers in the middle east..

That second snippet which you oh so cleverly chopped had a bunch of rebuttals. You had zero clue how to respond because you and McAdonis made up some nonsense about absolute income levels and crime indices which was not supported in your own data tables. Then you used that line about McA and you as an excuse to abort it. At least McA had the decency to keep quiet and I could have called on it back then but I had no interest either. But I guess you could not let go. Do you really feel others are not able to read? I can also cut and paste all that history but it is all pointless and anyone who cares can easily look it up. But it appears to me you have some anger issues and keep dredging things up (and that seems inline with the comments people made about your past).

As for the rest of the garbage you typed in the middle paragraphs, please spare me. I don't need morality lectures from crazy leftists or right wingers, I am happy in my own skin. It appears you are Chinese or Thai per Pistons, and if so you should take a look at the land of your ancestors how they treat Moslems and African Americans instead of venting against Whites. I personally have no clue what your ethnicity is and I could not care in the slightest but if it is true, it would behoove you to take a look in the mirror once in a while. I have to say you have a lot of nerve making up stuff about people you never met ("I'm sure you scoff when black people" -- in your prior comment for example). I think you said you are young (although not that much younger than me I guess) and it seems your immaturity matches your "youth" based on the liberties you take writing about people you never met. As for the absurd accusation "You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France", if you bother to take a close look, I referred to the barbarians that implicitly cheered the beheadings and I did not say all Moslems in FR should be deported (I even said majority are probably against it) but I guess your anger issues cloud your reading skills. In any case, are you a fucking mind reformer? Have you ever patronized GT which per recent discussion has a discriminating door policy, and what should we say about your willingness to attend a club that you knew actively stops dark people but not you?

To your last line, more nonsense. I never claimed I was any sort of intellectual but you have made multiple references to your profession in an effort to pull rank. I missed the part where your Nobel prize was verified by ISG that you come strutting around throwing darts at others for being fake intellectuals. Some others have made less charitable remarks about your credentials but I don't need to repeat them.

[Gino02]

It's a sad day today!

Europe is pretty much locked down now for the stupid virus, really sad day for us mongers.

And shops are boarding up all over the USA to prevent post-election lootings. Very sad day for Americans, never imagined that USA could go this low.

[Pessimist]

Such is they way people behave these days. It's not only the stereotypical young feminsts that are crazy these days. It affects 'everyone'.

BTW,

Shoe Swede as you call him is has a user name in ghetto sociolect from Sweden that I have no idea what it means more than I've seen it.

Thank you Mr. Ararat! I was not aware of the meaning of his name; we learn something new every day.

On a side note / rant: some guys here (not all, but a few) have the mindset that prostitution is a god given right and every society should provide FKK style access to prostitution at extremely affordable prices with better than adequate services provided by attractive 20 something girls in every city and town or else it deserves to be called a police state.

The reality is that in all of human history, such FKKs have existing for a couple of decades in a single country; and of course some countries have provided access to legalized prostitution for a bit longer albeit not in as attractive settings as FKKs. I am not an expert on Brazil / Thailand, and leave it to The Cane and others who are very knowledgeable there.

But does it mean a society's status as a police state is solely based on access to affordable / legal / widespread / prostitution at every nook and corner? Sweden does not have it, and it is no one's idea of a police state.

This link below has some data. Did not verify their classifications myself. Belize, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Hungary (Orban), Bangladesh, India, yadda yadda all have it legal. I guess our single-axis definers would then define them as free states. US is classified as having limited legal, along with JP, UK, Australia, France. Presumably all of them are also police states? I will leave it to our "data driven master".

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ution-is-legal

Look, to the general public, mongering is hardly on the radar. It is of interest only to some men. I did a Google search and it says 14-20% of American men use prostitution. That is a lower percent than the number of men who admitted they have used marijuana at some point in their life. No one called US a police state because marijuana was illegal. Or perhaps some marijuana forums do call US a police state, I don't know, I am not a member on such forums. I just searched dog fighting also and apparently even that abhorrent "sport" has a sizable following. I don't know what sorta gripes fans of dog fighting have because their "sport" is illegal; perhaps they too call US a police state because their sport is illegal?

I am a monger as is everyone here and have full sympathy for the current predicament many of us are in, but it is an extreme to be calling US (or any other country for that matter) a police state because they do not have ready access to thousands of nubile girls primed to suck and fuck for 50. This country has many legitimate faults and a lot of minorities and others do suffer badly at the hands of police occasionally and the income / wealth disparity has driven millions into despair far worse than any lack of access to prostitution does to men. I have a rolodex of sugar babes who are nice and are hurting for cash in this pandemic and would love to see me, I would love to see them but I am staying put for a number of reasons and staying away from them. I wish I could be in FKKs as well, or meeting my sugar babes but I am able to control myself and I did not die of too much blue ball syndrome. Please let us have some perspective on this.

[Ararat]

It is rich that I am getting called a bleeding liberal by Shoe Swede and Gino and a hate monger and as being worse than Trump by you. If I am getting pelted with stones from left and right, I must be in the middle.

Such is they way people behave these days. It's not only the stereotypical young feminsts that are crazy these days. It affects 'everyone'.

BTW,

Shoe Swede as you call him is has a user name in ghetto sociolect from Sweden that I have no idea what it means more than I've seen it.

[Pessimist]

Amusing to see some flame wars, down to childish accusations of micro penis / IQ. Takedown has a fine mind and is a good person, and argues reasonably and is evidence driven. Yay.

Of the many issues here: there have been barbaric acts carried out by persons claiming to be muslim. Christians have done some pretty bad stuff too in the past, breaking on the wheel, burning at the stake etc etc. Most religions are bad. Christopher Hitchens writes better than me and explains how religion phucks up everything. And that includes the USA that has a stupidity infection. Slogans etc.

It does affect P4 P: illegality adds cost, and chills demand. In Germany, sex is like what restaurant to pick. Harmless, efficient, clean, safe and easy at a good price, and the girls are mostly charming and feminine. Compare that to mostly tattooed fat, entitled, foul mouthed American women. I am not comparing US to say Columbia. But as a 1st world western democracy, we have indeed become data prison and police state. I cannot wait for a char grilled steak, a walk down the kurdamm or where ever, and knowing that getting high quality sex is a safe, high choice, zero hassle easy exercise.

SA is backpage pretending not to be straight out hookers in a typical American euphemism.

Wow. What a rant indeed! You seem to have a vendetta against SA. Since you bring, is your bitterness against SA "data driven" as you put it or is it uninformed bias as is the rest of your comment? There are many sites and resources that I try out, and if I don't like them or find them useful I move on but I seldom have the type of bitterness about them that you are exhibiting. You almost sound like you want to get back at SA and perhaps even all sugarbabe sites out of resentment.

It is simple: if the site is useless and all the girls are skanks and ripoffs, then there would not be a large number of men paying $80 a month to stay on it presumably? Guys who pay that much have a better idea whether it is worth it or not, far more than a foul mouthed bitter person ranting about it on ISG perhaps?

And what's up with phuck? This is one of the few sites where you can say fuck w / o your comment getting moderated out. Are you trying to come up with an alternative language and spelling because you have had it with America and English language?

[ExpatLover]

Sorry they are not claiming they are, so for you they act like the Christians 700 hundred back nice progress of the civilization. Advice you to go to Miami, Detroit, Chicago by night to see if really the police, the justice is doing the job by allowing such kind of things. Today how many 10 years old children can not speak or write fluently English, it is the same in France. Such like the justice the education is far too permissive which lead to the poorer getting from far more criminals, the widening of the segregation of the population, and the difficulty for the poor children to access to well paid jobs. The middle and high class always find a way to bring their children to good school and later to get good jobs. The solution is not to fuck a prostitute buck to make yourself attractive enough that girls want to date you. I never paid for sex before I was 45 and I advice every one to do the same.

[Sirioja]

I'm not a specialist of Coran, but I know what huge majority of Muslims and most of Imans say, they don't support these murderers, they say: this is not our religion to do this, and I'm pretty sure most prefer to keep on living in France. I was born, studied, always lived and worked in Paris and around, I don't plan to leave my boat, I will just go in my beloved mountains when I can finish to work, but can t yet. For sure, France is land of free mind like me, like Charlie who never criticized the religion. I only know Italy to compete for quality of life, Spain being third. Tourism figures talk when small France is number 1, with Paris number 1 before NYC, LA, Rio. I think Italy number 2 and Spain number 4. Where people like to go to enjoy their free like freedom time. So many Western Europeans prefer to live in small France with rich culture, good foods, best wines, rather than in their sad country, even I love London. Only Saint Petersburg, Roma, Firenze, Barcelona and maybe Vienna can compete with Paris for me. For sure, all the world know about freedom to think in China, when Chinese are scared of their government.