German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Mongerer88]

What do you think the prostitution / sex scene be like in Germany and other countries in Europe a decade from now? Will it be the same, more restrictive with possibility of sex purchase bans all over, or more liberal laws?

The successful and emulated model will be. Portugal.

Yes, the one nobody fights about.

The German published address, large incall, legal but regulated model will continue to be attacked by abolitionists.

Spain's true legal / regulated portion of the industry is declining and subject to debate among politicians and labor union demands by the small legal / regulated workforce.

The Nordic is viewed as stupid and unenforceable. You can't criminalize half a transaction.

No one argues and fights about commercial sex (or recreational drugs for that matter) in Portugal because they have the sense to keep it quiet and respectful and hidden.

You contact a lady who is discretely advertising, read her reviews if you want after joining a review site, and go see her (or have her come to you) and no politicians, intellectuals, philosophers, academics and troublemakers are around to harass either party.

All you need is a smart phone and the Internet.

[Mr Ho]

What do you think the prostitution / sex scene be like in Germany and other countries in Europe a decade from now? Will it be the same, more restrictive with possibility of sex purchase bans all over, or more liberal laws?

Similar in Germany and there maybe other, but very few nations that may follow the liberation path like German did because it is the industry never vanish no matter how much society or government put pressures on! So they might as well as liberate it, control it and tax it!

[BaltiX]

What do you think the prostitution / sex scene be like in Germany and other countries in Europe a decade from now? Will it be the same, more restrictive with possibility of sex purchase bans all over, or more liberal laws?

[Sailor501]

My number one question is when will Americans be allowed back into Germany.

https://www.skyscanner.com/travel-restrictions

[Turgid]

And when will scheduled flights to Germany increase & become more user friendly?

If the vaccines receive safety certificates I'm scheduled (according to the media) to receive mine in January or early February at the latest so when the clubs reopen I will be over immediately providing enough of the girls have returned to work?

My number one question is when will Americans be allowed back into Germany.

[Canary]

With good news about Vaccine and high effective rate, When do you expect FKK reopen again?

January?

February?

March?

April?

Would it be useful to have a new thread entitled "German FKK Club Reopening Info" ?

Not just containing club reopening information but how many girls have started back, any cost increases, club improvements, etc.

Just an idea!

[Canary]

With good news about Vaccine and high effective rate, When do you expect FKK reopen again?

January?

February?

March?

April?

And when will scheduled flights to Germany increase & become more user friendly?

If the vaccines receive safety certificates I'm scheduled (according to the media) to receive mine in January or early February at the latest so when the clubs reopen I will be over immediately providing enough of the girls have returned to work?

[Tuber19]

With good news about Vaccine and high effective rate, When do you expect FKK reopen again?

January?

February?

March?

April?

[BigBuddy69]

There is a very easy solution: respect the law. If you get caught, act like an adult, apologize and pay the fine. Don't pretend that your car was abducted by metamorphing aliens who just wanted you to pay their tickets.

[Sirioja]

In Germany or Switzerland, can pay fines in cash, sometimes with credit card if polizei have machine for, in some of their cars, and they give You a bill to attest You paid. Swiss polizei is much less honest than German.

[Mursenary]

What really surprised me is that the legal system in Germany permits the officer to accept cash right on the scene because that is primed for corruption. (BTW, in person ticket doesn't look the same as the one they sent you by mail if you get caught speeding by camera.) I understand that 20 Euros is not much in my case. He could have fined me 50 Euros, and I still would have paid without arguing over it. Hell, he could have taken advantage of me by fining me 100 Euros knowing that I'm a foreigner who doesn't speak much German. (What the hell was I supposed to do? I wasn't going to waste a day or two to fight the traffic tickets during my mongering trip. I didn't know much how the legal system there works anyway.) Since I have plenty of cash at hand (on my way to Sharks LOL), I just paid and moved on. I asked myself what if the officer pocketed the money and never reported it or pocketed half and reported half. How would anyone in the legal system know? That's how corruption can usually take place.

Strange. Back in 2009, I was stopped by a German officer for turning right on a red light (legal in most of the united states). When I tried to pay the 90 euro fine in cash, the officer insisted that payment must be made in credit card otherwise it would be conducted by mail. This was in Dusseldorf. Perhaps the policies are just different in different German states.

[Pessimist]

I think what Sirioja has tried to explain (reading from his past posts) is that in Switzerland, there isn't such thing as "you're innocent until proven guilty" as there is in the US (& probably in France) at least when come to traffic violation. If you get stopped by police because of speeding, you'll be fined and expected to pay right at the "crime" scene. If you're not willing to pay as in Sirioja case (or don't have money to pay), they will put you in jail. You won't even have a choice to plead innocent or guilty. According to Sirioja, the number of days in jail corresponds to whatever the amount they fined you. In his case, that was 1 night for 100 CHF fine. Using his example, say you're fined with 200 CHF for speeding and you don't have the money to pay for it, they would put you in jail for 2 nights before they let you go. Sirioja decided to stay in jail for a night out of principle that he believes he's unfairly tracked by radar for speeding and that he could have easily paid 100 Euros to get that over with but chose not to. I guess he implies that when you're caught speeding in Switzerland, you either pay the fine immediately or go to jail right away. There is nothing you can argue about which to him is not fair. As you know, we have a chance to plead guilty and pay or go to court in the US to fight the speeding tickets as I've done several times before ending up paying or getting the fine dropped or reduced. Unfortunately, that's not how that works in Switzerland based on my understanding on what Sirioja has ranted multiple times in the past..

Ah, thanks for the explanation. Very clear! Wow, I would not blame Mr. Sirioja. His choice of course and good for him to have stayed true to his principles. I have driven in Switzerland on family vacation and I always drive pretty carefully near the low end of the limits, so I have never received any speeding tickets ever but the system sounds a bit strange. I have been let go with just polite warnings in the US when I missed stop signs etc and I realize there are some privilege issues here. Altogether, our system seems fairer but far be it from me to criticize some other country's system. I guess from now on I will make sure to keep enough cash in hand for these type of emergencies though as you said LOL.

With regards to the comment from Jmioffe, my guess would be that they are trying to keep down the # of guests at a time to some fairly small number to pass local restrictions. As such, I do not expect these type of restrictions to persist, nor the pricing models when we are past Covid. I have the same view about the excess pricing implemented in Artemis in September. Perhaps I will be wrong but that is the guess / view I have. That said, 3 hours is a short amount of time and hardly leaves enough time for more than one session. So, if you stay past 3 hours they charge another 40 when checking out?

[Jmioffe]

Sixsens is open again now, but 40 euro entrance fee for 3-hour stay.

https://www.sixsens.eu

If this is indicative of a change in the FKK business model to from all-you-can-eat to a la carte vis-a-vis time, it could be unpleasant and keep me at home.

[MoneySign]

Why does driving in Switzerland lead to jail?

In Switzerland, you accept to be fucked by administration, even when they have no proof against you, or you go to jail. Usual rate is 1 day in jail for 100 CHF. Between Geneva and Lausanne, about 60 kms and 10 radars.

I think what Sirioja has tried to explain (reading from his past posts) is that in Switzerland, there isn't such thing as "you're innocent until proven guilty" as there is in the US (& probably in France) at least when come to traffic violation. If you get stopped by police because of speeding, you'll be fined and expected to pay right at the "crime" scene. If you're not willing to pay as in Sirioja case (or don't have money to pay), they will put you in jail. You won't even have a choice to plead innocent or guilty. According to Sirioja, the number of days in jail corresponds to whatever the amount they fined you. In his case, that was 1 night for 100 CHF fine. Using his example, say you're fined with 200 CHF for speeding and you don't have the money to pay for it, they would put you in jail for 2 nights before they let you go. Sirioja decided to stay in jail for a night out of principle that he believes he's unfairly tracked by radar for speeding and that he could have easily paid 100 Euros to get that over with but chose not to. I guess he implies that when you're caught speeding in Switzerland, you either pay the fine immediately or go to jail right away. There is nothing you can argue about which to him is not fair. As you know, we have a chance to plead guilty and pay or go to court in the US to fight the speeding tickets as I've done several times before ending up paying or getting the fine dropped or reduced. Unfortunately, that's not how that works in Switzerland based on my understanding on what Sirioja has ranted multiple times in the past.

I've never driven in Switzerland, but I have similar experience in Deutschland. This happened few years ago as I was happily driving from autobahn 661 to route 3 to Darmstadt to visit Shark on a sunny afternoon. (I've been ticketed few times in Germany in the past for speeding by traffic cameras but never in person.) I believe route 3 changes from express lane to local city lane. As I was merging from a high speed to low speed lane, I was stopped by police for not slowing down on a construction road. A police officer literally walked out of his police car and raised his hand to stop me on a 20 km / h zone that I was probably driving closer to 30 km / h. That totally caught me off guard because I thought all the traffic enforcement were automated via high speed camera as I have already got used to. I showed him my passport and told him where I was going as part of the typical questioning routine. What surprised me was that he gave me a ticket with the amount of 20 Euros and expected to be paid right on spot. Yes, I had to give him 20 Euros cash. No credit card accepted and no mail in later was allowed.

What really surprised me is that the legal system in Germany permits the officer to accept cash right on the scene because that is primed for corruption. (BTW, in person ticket doesn't look the same as the one they sent you by mail if you get caught speeding by camera.) I understand that 20 Euros is not much in my case. He could have fined me 50 Euros, and I still would have paid without arguing over it. Hell, he could have taken advantage of me by fining me 100 Euros knowing that I'm a foreigner who doesn't speak much German. (What the hell was I supposed to do? I wasn't going to waste a day or two to fight the traffic tickets during my mongering trip. I didn't know much how the legal system there works anyway.) Since I have plenty of cash at hand (on my way to Sharks LOL), I just paid and moved on. I asked myself what if the officer pocketed the money and never reported it or pocketed half and reported half. How would anyone in the legal system know? That's how corruption can usually take place. I wonder what would have happened if I didn't have the cash or just didn't want to pay. Would he have locked me up overnight as they did to Sirioja in Switzerland? I'd never know. I guess the benefit of the German system may be that, for minor traffic violation, it's more efficient to just pay a smaller fine on the spot then to go through the court that may otherwise burden the legal system as we've seen that in the US. I suppose it can be more efficient that way for minor violation. I can see the pros and cons of both systems.

[MoneySign]

Great, too bad about the border. I have very fond memories of sweet, Dutch young women,... .

What border? There isn't any. What am I missing here? You mean there are now polices stationing on all the autobahns and roads crossing into NL to make sure you can not enter because of Covid? Seriously? That is even logistically feasible?