Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

What would make a working girl agree to BBFS? Do you offer extra $ for that? I've read a bunch of reports recently where guys bareback left and right.

I don't get it. Every time I propose it I get a huge NO. I'm healthy and maintain good hygiene, but no luck. My understanding is girls do not like to take pills because it fucks up their hormone system, therefore they prefer to have covered sex and be safe.

Damn, i even had to order these expensive 0.01 polyurethane condoms from Japan for my next trip, a friend of mine said they are so thin you don't feel them on

Look I am not an expert on BBFS. Lew Ashby is the king IMO. You might Message him. But most WGs will never consider it. Because it's their BUSINESS and disease or pregnancy fucks their business. But lower end venues like Thailand and Mexico you can find it. In more upscale locations you are only likely to find with something semi long term like a regular SB.

At least this is what I've seen. And each of us has different moral boundaries but I would never have BBFS with some girl I didnt know. Too much chance for a little Steve happening u have no idea what protection if any they are using. I only started BBFS with Sarah after knowing her as a person and having confidence that she is on protection.

P.S. Beware. Several of us have experienced breakage with the Jap super thins. I use Trojan BareSkin and they are very close to the Japanese feel but much more reliable. Highly recommmend. And oh if u are even vaguely thick make sure to try out the Jap ones before ur trip. Even the XL are super tight for me and I am not exceptional.

[WyattEarp]

I was surprised to read on here a couple time that guys were getting bareback from their babies. Yet here it is. Sarah tried to bareback me on our second date (first date was kiss only) and I didn't go there. I'm not worried about disease since she's been off market. But pregnancy is always a concern. So I asked and sure enough she started back on the pill. So date 3 was a bareback fiesta! Wowzer! Sugar Babies rule!

This would freak me out. I have a couple friends who have had little ones with GFs who were supposedly "on the pill". You seem like an affluent guy. A sugar baby might like to emphasize the daddy in sugar daddy.

[MiamiBoy1]

What would make a working girl agree to BBFS? Do you offer extra $ for that? I've read a bunch of reports recently where guys bareback left and right.

I don't get it. Every time I propose it I get a huge NO. I'm healthy and maintain good hygiene, but no luck. My understanding is girls do not like to take pills because it fucks up their hormone system, therefore they prefer to have covered sex and be safe.

Damn, i even had to order these expensive 0.01 polyurethane condoms from Japan for my next trip, a friend of mine said they are so thin you don't feel them on

[DramaFree11]

Here is an a weird one. She asked me what type of arrangement I was looking for. This girl is in MTY.

But: How does, this sound, for an arrangements, Between $150-175 dollars, for 2-3 hours of fun, with 2 sessions of sex.

But: What do you think.

[well it's not what I'm looking for. But if you want just hang out and know more about the city, it was my pleasure show you Monterrey, I love to be guide tourist!

Good night.

But: What are you looking for?

I usually do arrangements like tourist guide and you don't have to pay for my time, I like to make friends! 😊.

If you like my service as tourist guide you can feel free to give me tips, only if you have a good time.

But: No, I am looking for something different, if you change your mind let me know. Good luck.

You too!

Night, night!]

[Steve 9696]

I was surprised to read on here a couple time that guys were getting bareback from their babies. Yet here it is. Sarah tried to bareback me on our second date (first date was kiss only) and I didn't go there. I'm not worried about disease since she's been off market. But pregnancy is always a concern. So I asked and sure enough she started back on the pill. So date 3 was a bareback fiesta! Wowzer! Sugar Babies rule!

So a couple funny things that made me wonder when did she decide she was going to fuck me. When in the process?

The things that made me wonder:

1. She told me that second date that she had trouble deciding outfits but ended up picking something she could get out of fast. LOL.

2. When I asked her about the pill she said she stopped a couple months ago but started again a week ago (coincidence? I think not!

So back to "when did she decide I am worth fucking". She said she thought during our date that it was very nice but probably not for her (she is total newbie). But then our passionate kiss made her think twice. But it wasn't a done deal. She said our continued texting cemented it. Don't underestimate the importance of kissing and your text game fellas! There may be some bareback in ur future!

[DramaFree11]

Oh, then be prepared to spend a lot on gifts and presents. I had several SBs that only wanted me to buy stuff for them. But, man! That was expensive. Purses, cell phones, SPA treatments, jewelry, clothes. It was ridiculous!!

Well said, but I think with most of us Time is more valuable then money and gifts. I think a lot of are fortunate and have great jobs. I can make more money, but running around with a girl for several hours buying gifts is not my idea of fun, unless I real like the girl. One of my favorite girls in MTY, the model is so fun to be around and humble, I enjoy all the time I am with her.

Now the 2 girls that were seeking gifts, I could not stand being around them for more then 1 or 2.

[NeilGeorge]

I have two Colombian models lined up for my next trip that may be 10's as well. Pre Covid, I really was having a hard time finding breath taking beauties on seeking but there are a lot of models out of work these days. He he.

Good luck. I thought I had a sure 10 in Costa Rica that I met online and talked to on the phone. She met me at the airport. When I saw her face it in person, it looked like cottage cheese smeared on it, from acne scars and other acne problems. I had to try hard to shake her off from being a mooch. Women are Very crafty with what photos they post online, they will blur out of focus parts of them that are problems, crop at the bustline to hide belly fat, also they turn their hips to the side to hide their fat butt.

[Midwestern]

\My post was about girls who literally mean gifts / presents and get offended when offered cash.

Oh, then be prepared to spend a lot on gifts and presents. I had several SBs that only wanted me to buy stuff for them. But, man! That was expensive. Purses, cell phones, SPA treatments, jewelry, clothes. It was ridiculous!!

[Elvis 2008]

MW, the breakup was the best thing that could have happened to me. Her name was Julieth. I followed her Instagram for a year after that and saw how tried so hard to show me her life was better without me when it was not. I could have had her back if I had taken all the blame for what she had done, but I was not having that.

A lot of guys are like these South American seeking women are all working girls, do not care about you and are only out for money, and really want to hang out with their Latin BFs. When you actually get to follow women's lives on Instagram, you get to see if it is true or not. In Julieth's case, her life went way downhill. Her novio and his friends promised her the world and did not deliver on it, and she is suffering big time. I know she would do things differently if she had the chance to.

On the other hand, Gaby is a good girl. Unlike Julieth, she really is better off with this other guy and not me.

Gaby is in Mexico, and there is a lot of money there in comparison to Peru where Julieth is and Colombia. It is so rare that a Colombian or Peruvian woman can do better with their Colombian or Peruvian novio over an American guy. I saw that with Julieth and if you look at the wage difference between the USA and Colombia / Peru, it is staggering.

A lot of guys who go to Colombia or Brazil may think the women have better options than them, but now I know and more importantly feel otherwise. That boost of confidence really has helped my game.

Anywhere, here are pics of Julieth. I think they are both 10's, but Gaby was taller and more striking. One of the things that kind of may have ruined it for me with Gaby was that I was having a hard time finding 10's until Covid hit, and I was kind of desperate to bang a girl hotter than Julieth. LOL.

Now the 10's seem to be falling out of the trees. I have two Colombian models lined up for my next trip that may be 10's as well. Pre Covid, I really was having a hard time finding breath taking beauties on seeking but there are a lot of models out of work these days. He he.

[DramaFree11]

Not always the case. DramaFree11 posted recently about the girl wanting him to go to the store with her to buy something.

And yes, I'm aware of X amount of Roses (or whatever they call money / cash not to be so explicit). My post was about girls who literally mean gifts / presents and get offended when offered cash.

Correct, but I also mentioned she was extremely High Maintenance. I would of had to, put month into this girls and no guarantee I would ever had sex. If I like a girl, there is no issues with gifts, but I would be very careful. Also, If she does not want to have sex, then you have to have 2 SB, in Mexico and Europe, no problem, it is much cheaper. In the states no way. I do like the idea of the gift cards, but gift I would stay away from, too much time and time is money.

[MiamiBoy1]

I agree with this. Even on pro websites, they always refer to payment either as a gift or as a present. This is their way of being less explicit, in case LE is watching.

Not always the case. DramaFree11 posted recently about the girl wanting him to go to the store with her to buy something.

And yes, I'm aware of X amount of Roses (or whatever they call money / cash not to be so explicit). My post was about girls who literally mean gifts / presents and get offended when offered cash.

[Nounce]

Dood, thanks for sharing. Man, sorry that you got burned like that. I feel you, man. BTW, those pictures that you posted, is that Gaby? OMG, I would wife that just for the honeymoon!

Yeah, thanks, man. Still cannot wrap my head around this though. The monthly allowance wasn't high, but I was very generous toward her in many other ways, including expensive gifts. Oh well.

I think it's not a money thing. It sounds like she wants to have a real relationship with you. I won't conclude that she is seeing other man. I think it just means she would not pick up calls if she were with another man. She projects her own thinking onto you so her reaction tells you more about her than about you. People do this all the time, man or woman.

My friend who is single is in a LTR with his girlfriend. The girl has met most of his friends. They don't live together because they live in different cities but they are almost like husband and wife when together. To make her feel secure, he put a large sum of money in her bank account. I once bought a very expensive watch for my friend so he can give it to the girl as a gift. But after all my friend has done, the girl still wants marriage. The girl is doing fine financially herself, own her own place and a regular job.

[Midwestern]

MW,

So when she says you are not being open for her. That is femaleese that she is not being open and is hiding something, which probably is that she is seeing another guy.

I was engaged to a Venezuelan woman. She had an Instagram page where she showed another guy as her boyfriend and blocked not just me but all my friends from seeing her site. She even got mad when I asked for her page. Well, I found it eventually. She broke up with me before I broke up with her, and it hurt. I had people tell me that she was a narcissist and I did not want to believe it. Well, let me tell you, she was one, and I was duped.

Dood, thanks for sharing. Man, sorry that you got burned like that. I feel you, man. BTW, those pictures that you posted, is that Gaby? OMG, I would wife that just for the honeymoon!

Normal, girls can change there mind at any time, especially SA girls. Remember most are also talking to other men. Especially in the states, and you got these guys promising the world. This is why I avoid monthly arrangements, are expectations go up, and it rarely works.

Yeah, thanks, man. Still cannot wrap my head around this though. The monthly allowance wasn't high, but I was very generous toward her in many other ways, including expensive gifts. Oh well.

Women make decisions based on emotions. Because emotions change their decision making and behavior can change radically. So when fact based beings try to project "logical" behavior on emotional beings it's not going to make sense.

That's all that's going on here. Something changed her emotional state. And she made some bad decisions (flaming you, blocking u) in that emotional state. Nothing you did. Don't try to understand it. You can't project logic onto this situation.

And oh. As a friend once told me, there is always a better one around the corner. And u know what hes right. Maybe u dont hit her right away. But u see some great ones along the way and yes, there is even a better one out there. Just keep hitting it man and u will find it. And another after that!

Thanks, brah.

Do be fooled by this. Gift is just a euphemism for money.

I agree with this. Even on pro websites, they always refer to payment either as a gift or as a present. This is their way of being less explicit, in case LE is watching.

[Steve 9696]

I noticed that some girls on SA say in their bio "Don't offer me money for sex", and at the same time say they like gifts, like to get pampered, travel etc. And clearly prefer that over money. Maybe this makes them feel they are not hookers, but rather GF, I don't know. Anyway, a "gift" has a vague meaning, it could be a $50 perfume or $2000 Gucci bag. So far I have tried to avoid girls asking for gifts, because it seems to me they are high maintenance and since they don't want to discuss money it makes it very difficult to negotiate and so many questions start to arise. Like, how often does she expect a gift? Every time we meet or once in awhile (similar to monthly allowance)? How much to spend on a gift / how much she expects me to spend? Obviously if my budget is, say, $150 PPM, I'm not buying a $1000 purse after me meet a couple of times. I have bought gifts before, but it always has been a bonus to a girl for her extra effort / performance and in addition to PPM, and always benefited me in some way, like sexy lingerie that I asked her to put on, or nice perfume, etc. Any thoughts on this topic?

Do be fooled by this. Gift is just a euphemism for money. They want monetary gifts! In SA land we call it a gift / allowance. But it's money at the end of the day. A girl will absolutely say "I would never give sex for money". But she will fuck a guy that she likes moderately and he gives her a monetary gift when they are together.

You and I know these are basically the same thing. In their mind it's totally different. Never suggest money for sex. You guys like each other. You do what adults do. You don't have time to shop with her so you give her a monetary gift as shorthand. I usually put it in a card with a short note. Which again makes it more gift like.

[Elvis 2008]

I told her that I didn't check my phone all afternoon because I was busy (the truth), and she called me a liar because she said it is impossible for someone to not look at their phone all the time and she asked me if I had another GF. I told that only young people look at their phones all day. And then she said she liked me but that she cannot do this anymore. She said that she never feels like she knows what is going on with me and with my life. So then she blocked me. Wow. We have been together for about 3 months now, seeing each other about 1. 5 times every week, and spending all day together almost once a week. I feel a little bummed out. She had an amazing body, and her little vagina felt so good. She was also just great fun to hang out with. Made me laugh so much. She was actually the perfect GF / SB. I don't understand how it all suddenly went south. The other thing is that I am currently renting an apartment, and it was mostly to meet her at it. I haven't used that apartment in over 2 weeks now. Oh well. Tomorrow, I will see SB#2 (a married skinny MILF), so hopefully she takes my mind off of SB#1. But now I am in the market to replace SB#1, which will be very hard to do.

MW,

Out of the blue, one of my Colombian chicas tells me after we have been together that she wants me to get STD testing which was weird. I get doing it before you are with someone. It was a pain in the ass and $200 but I do it and it is all negative. Fast forward to last week, and she is honest with me. She had previously showed me her STD tests but left out herpes. Last week, she says her ex BF gave her herpes.

It is typical femaleese to take things out another man who hurt her in no other way. I questioned why she and no other woman has ever asked me to be tested and why she strangely wanted it after we had been together. She fucked up trusting her ex and wanted to take it out on me. I am going to end things with her. It is not the herpes as much as the trust.

So when she says you are not being open for her. That is femaleese that she is not being open and is hiding something, which probably is that she is seeing another guy.

I was engaged to a Venezuelan woman. She had an Instagram page where she showed another guy as her boyfriend and blocked not just me but all my friends from seeing her site. She even got mad when I asked for her page. Well, I found it eventually. She broke up with me before I broke up with her, and it hurt. I had people tell me that she was a narcissist and I did not want to believe it. Well, let me tell you, she was one, and I was duped.

You have idiots on this forum telling you about how it is and how they are too smart to let anything happen to them. Well, she did a great job of hiding who she was for a long time, building up my ego, making me feel special, and fucking the shit out of me in a good way. After a certain point, she gave nothing and took more and more. I read the pattern of narcissistic breakups and did not believe I had fallen for this. Thing that people do not get is the first six months when you are in love with a narcissist it is like nothing else. You love and are loved like you never have before.

She really hurt me and did a number on my ego, and I wanted to punch back. I got to a lawyer who told me that I could sue her for breach of contract. Given that she had no money, I could have forced back to be by my side. When we broke up, she accepted no responsibility for anything and blamed me for everything. Even though she was cheating on me, she pretended to be the victim, and that pissed me off even more. After meeting with that lawyer, I realized that I just wanted to hurt her, to get my shot in, to be the one who ended things.

It was empowering to me talking to that lawyer because I realized that is what I wanted. But really what effect would it have for me to tell off this evil psychotic *****? Nothing. Only way that you can inflict pain on a woman like that is with physical force. The best way to get back at her was to live an amazing life.

MW, your gal wasn't the perfect GF, wasn't the perfect SB because she is fucking crazy and you are better off without her. When a woman is pulling the kind of shit your gal was, it is because THEY are fucking around not you. You are questioning what you did wrong when you did nothing wrong. Just like me with my gal, you dodged a bullet with her. It is femaleese to say you are not being open with her when she is hiding shit from you.