Toronto

[Zeos1]

Lets say I own an apartment in Toronto. I meet a young woman and ask her to come live with me and she agrees. I have a job and she is either a student or has a low paying job. After some months we have an argument and she leaves. She then takes me to court which prosecutes me for having a woman living with me while paying no rent. It is only a country that is even more unjust than the most despotic Middle Eastern State that would punish me for so doing.

You don't get it. What you describe is a girlfriend. If she wasn't paying rent and it never was a rental situation it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

But if it was a student who was looking for a place to live, and you or her offered that deal, then you are potentially in trouble. It's the power dynamic.

She doesn't take you to court for living with you and paying no rent. She files a complaint that you demanded sex in exchange for her getting the place, for part or all of the rent, or for not getting evicted. I think there would have to be a landlord / tenant relationship established to use this, not merely an unhappy girlfriend. But I'm not a lawyer. So.

[Mongerer88]

Lets say I own an apartment in Toronto. I meet a young woman and ask her to come live with me and she agrees. I have a job and she is either a student or has a low paying job. After some months we have an argument and she leaves. She then takes me to court which prosecutes me for having a woman living with me while paying no rent. It is only a country that is even more unjust than the most despotic Middle Eastern State that would punish me for so doing.

It isn't the 99 out of 100 that will ruin your life. It is the 1 out of a 100, so it is dangerous in any western country to not respect the Form of how you do something, instead of the Substance. Los Angeles does not go after Sugar Babies or independent escorts who screen. The Sheriff a long time ago simply stated that, much to everyone's surprise. He said the police would never book an incall appointment with a private escort who has a screening mechanism, absent evidence of other crimes. LA is very intolerant of escort agencies, but that is a different matter. Which brings us to Harvey Weinstein. A very rich man who could have had sex with a true multitude of independent escorts and sugar babies. He didn't, instead choosing to trade actress roles and screenplay acceptances for sex. 99 out of 100 times there was true consent and it was a business deal. Fuck, a not insignificant number of them did escorting and sugaring on the side. That is where LA's high-end escorts come from. Those trying to make it in the movies. It was the 1 in 100 that has caused the guy to go to jail for life. He would have been fine if he kept sex out of his work life and simply purchased sex with his own earnings. Even when he came across the same lady as an escort, he needed to take out a piece of paper and illustrate the dividing line. Canada actually has draconian laws regarding sex when a woman is viewed as not giving consent. Legally, a landlord being able to evict a lady who doesn't have sex with him looks terrible. It isn't a big deal if that landlord takes the rent money and goes to see a sex worker who advertises. And it isn't a big deal if that female tenant does an incall session with a separate customer to get the money to pay that rent. But the landlord and tenant have a line that can't be crossed, just like Harvey did when deciding which lady should be third from the left in the Porky's shower scene. Cross that line and you might end up like Harvey, whether you think that is stupid or not. It just takes one lady to ruin your life.

[Turgid]

It is a problem only if the tenant makes it a problem. But, it is likely that a tenant would know their rights, and if there is any dispute, or if it was a set up from the beginning, then the landlord is at a huge disadvantage. Basically all if takes is an accusation that she was pressured into it because she needed a place, and the landlord is screwed. Even if it was totally consensual to begin with. So my initial response to this subject was really. Why take that chance. You, as a landlord, will be in a no win position, and there is really no defense when someone says "well, I felt pressured to do it". And, if the charges stick you would be, at best, vulnerable to a large civil suite, or at worst convicted of a crime and all that goes with that.

So really. Why bother thinking about this sort of arrangement. Just stick to escorts, massage places, strip clubs, on line ads. Whatever, and don't get in a potentially no-win scenario.

Lets say I own an apartment in Toronto. I meet a young woman and ask her to come live with me and she agrees. I have a job and she is either a student or has a low paying job. After some months we have an argument and she leaves. She then takes me to court which prosecutes me for having a woman living with me while paying no rent. It is only a country that is even more unjust than the most despotic Middle Eastern State that would punish me for so doing.

[Zeos1]

That seems to be the central question, how is it determined? Does one party file a complaint because the other party did not honor the agreement?

It is a problem only if the tenant makes it a problem. But, it is likely that a tenant would know their rights, and if there is any dispute, or if it was a set up from the beginning, then the landlord is at a huge disadvantage. Basically all if takes is an accusation that she was pressured into it because she needed a place, and the landlord is screwed. Even if it was totally consensual to begin with. So my initial response to this subject was really. Why take that chance. You, as a landlord, will be in a no win position, and there is really no defense when someone says "well, I felt pressured to do it". And, if the charges stick you would be, at best, vulnerable to a large civil suite, or at worst convicted of a crime and all that goes with that.

So really. Why bother thinking about this sort of arrangement. Just stick to escorts, massage places, strip clubs, on line ads. Whatever, and don't get in a potentially no-win scenario.

[NicFrenchy]

Who is to know that he / she is having sex with their landlord for money? To the outside world it is just two adults living together. Are Canadian government officials peeping toms?

That seems to be the central question, how is it determined? Does one party file a complaint because the other party did not honor the agreement?

[Turgid]

.............What if a tenant is very happy with having sex with their landlord to save money?..........

Who is to know that he / she is having sex with their landlord for money? To the outside world it is just two adults living together. Are Canadian government officials peeping toms?

[NicFrenchy]

Rent in exchange for sex can be viewed as a crime in Canada.

It's sad how Canada is becoming more and more like the USA.

Why not let 2 consenting adults decide what business transaction works for them? What if a tenant is very happy with having sex with their landlord to save money?

Why this obsession with victimization? Must there always be a victim in every transaction? Or an offender?

[Zeos1]

A man with money has power over a woman who wants money.

Yep. And a woman with pussy has power over a man who wants pussy.

[Turgid]

Hey go for it. Have fun.

But if one person has power over another there is no such thing as consent.......

A man with money has power over a woman who wants money.

[Zeos1]

Two consenting adults living in an apartment, one of whom is the owner or tenant of the apartment, having sex is wrong? Then the majority of Canadians should be in jail.

Hey go for it. Have fun.

But if one person has power over another there is no such thing as consent. That is the problem. Anyway, just trying to help out someone who asked a question and your opinion is different on it. That's great.

[Turgid]

Juicy was asking about doing something like that. Getting students to live in his place in exchange for sex. The warning was not to do that.

Two consenting adults living in an apartment, one of whom is the owner or tenant of the apartment, having sex is wrong? Then the majority of Canadians should be in jail.

[Zeos1]

You and Zeos are landlords in Canada? Then be careful. The rest of us here are mongers who travel to other countries for sex and don't own properties in those countries. Where the student pussy at?

Juicy was asking about doing something like that. Getting students to live in his place in exchange for sex. The warning was not to do that.

[IluvJuicy]

You posted in the Toronto forum so I assumed you were looking at moving to Toronto. Cost of living in Kitchener is significantly less. Girls are roughly the same price though. You could probably find a 1 BR apartment for about $1600. Girls if you're looking for the college / university types maybe $220-$240 for an hour. Kitchener can be a bit slummy however. There are a lot of bad areas.

I don't have rights to open a new thread so wrote here.

[Turgid]

Rent in exchange for sex can be viewed as a crime in Canada.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...rent-1.5554415

"It's really more about the balance of power in the landlord-tenant relationship," Flight said, pointing out that a spurned landlord could try to evict a tenant.

Flight said for a single mother or low-income student, that prospect could compel them to accept the request when they otherwise wouldn't.

The overwhelming majority of respondents to the survey identified as women under the age of 34.

Const. James Cadigan, spokesperson for the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary, said consent can't be provided if there's an abuse of authority or trust at play. "Sex acts are to be voluntary," he said.

Depending on the case, he said, that could mean laying criminal charges against a landlord engaging in these arrangements."

Of course, the USA Views it more clearly as a crime than Canada does.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr...ially-strapped

You and Zeos are landlords in Canada? Then be careful. The rest of us here are mongers who travel to other countries for sex and don't own properties in those countries. Where the student pussy at?

[Mongerer88]

Giving college girls money for rent and other necessities in exchange for sex happens millions of times all over the world including Canada. For example, Seeking Arrangement is legal, isn't it?

Rent in exchange for sex can be viewed as a crime in Canada.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...rent-1.5554415

"It's really more about the balance of power in the landlord-tenant relationship," Flight said, pointing out that a spurned landlord could try to evict a tenant.

Flight said for a single mother or low-income student, that prospect could compel them to accept the request when they otherwise wouldn't.

The overwhelming majority of respondents to the survey identified as women under the age of 34.

Const. James Cadigan, spokesperson for the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary, said consent can't be provided if there's an abuse of authority or trust at play. "Sex acts are to be voluntary," he said.

Depending on the case, he said, that could mean laying criminal charges against a landlord engaging in these arrangements."

Of course, the USA Views it more clearly as a crime than Canada does.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr...ially-strapped