Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Palcon]

Taking advantage from a friend, boyfriend, girls' friends are not a crime as long as coercive force are not used. It is everywhere not just in prostitution business. The well-known term for that is "friends with benefits".

Also I do not believe these "friend with benefit" are majority of cases in FKKs, keep in mind many of them already have children at home.

Pimps don't always use coercion they can also employ manipulation. Yes the benefit is they'll take some or all of the girl's earnings at some point idk how that benefits the girls. But the term you're using "friends with benefits" refers to the guy getting pussy. Yes. I'm aware many of them have children at home and are still working because they're single moms or their pimps raided their savings. I will be happy when the clubs reopen. Girls w/ pimps will be back and there should be an influx of new girls.

[Adindas]

Hmm you're both right. They definitely make money. Most of these girls don't know what a pimp is. Their boyfriends / husband "supports" them to do sex work. It's not against their will since they believe their pimps loves them and she's working so they can have have a better life together. I've known a few girls some luckier than others where their pimps stole everything from them. Some of them are more patient than others and wait to get married to take the house and wipe out the bank account.

Taking advantage from a friend, boyfriend, girls' friends are not a crime as long as coercive force are not used. It is everywhere not just in prostitution business. The well-known term for that is "friends with benefits".

Also I do not believe these "friend with benefit" are majority of cases in FKKs, keep in mind many of them already have children at home.

[Palcon]

Say that to ExpatLover. He still believe these FKK girls are not making money and they have been pimped, so working against their will.

It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents is anywhere even in higly paid job, not just in prostitution. Examples: Job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc.

Hmm you're both right. They definitely make money. Most of these girls don't know what a pimp is. Their boyfriends / husband "supports" them to do sex work. It's not against their will since they believe their pimps loves them and she's working so they can have have a better life together. I've known a few girls some luckier than others where their pimps stole everything from them. Some of them are more patient than others and wait to get married to take the house and wipe out the bank account.

[Mursenary]

Yes they don't have pimps. They have lover boys you know the perfect man who loves and cares about them, respects and supports them for having sex w / other men for money. Wonder what they think their men are doing while they're busy banging other dudes. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them left them for other women since that money well has run dry the past year.

While the lover boy phenomenon is real, that seems to be more prevalent to the newer girls. Some of these girls speak openly about how they got in the business and how they've become independent. At Sharks, many of the cliques even take some newer girls under their wing and eventually depose the lover boys. A lot of these girls end up connecting with me on Instagram and I often see the moment when a girl transcends the lover boy stage into the independent stage. Usually it's when they start posting things like vacationing outside of Europe or get a driver's license.

They come back because they can't give up the fast money and don't want to work at the supermarket.

Yes, 20 something year old prostitutes have bad money habits. Not exactly a shocking observation.

The bigger point is that unlike EPL suggests, perhaps you are too, they do indeed help their families also. And as previously discussed, I don't think the pimp-lover boy phenomenon is as prevalent as suggested. Definitely not with the rise of smart phones, utility apps, ease of transport in these past 10 years. Basically, I'm saying that some of the older mongers have older perceptions and have not kept up with how the WG's lives within the industry have changed.

[Adindas]

They come back because they can't give up the fast money and don't want to work at the supermarket.

Say that to ExpatLover. He still believes these FKK girls are not making money and they have been pimped, so working against their will. If this thing was true than all of us the FKK visitors were taking part in a crime business. Also, it was an insult to German law enforcers as if they did not aware of the biggest crime in humanity In front of their eyes. But this is not to suggest there is not any pimping or trafficking case in FKKs. But like in any other business criminals are everywhere and simply cannot be eliminated entirely.

It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents might also provide accomodation, transportation, travel arragement for a fee. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents are everywhere even in highly paid jobEsuch job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc, , not only in escort businesses.

[Palcon]

If the girls are not making money to support their family at home, why do you think they keep coming back to FKKs after having a break in their home countries?. If they were forced to become a prostitute, and they managed to escape as they are already in safe hand at home, are they going to come backk at the same place?.

They come back because they can't give up the fast money and don't want to work at the supermarket.

[Palcon]

Not all have pimps. Not even most. I don't think even half.

Yes they don't have pimps. They have lover boys you know the perfect man who loves and cares about them, respects and supports them for having sex w / other men for money. Wonder what they think their men are doing while they're busy banging other dudes. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them left them for other women since that money well has run dry the past year.

[Sirioja]

Unfortunately, many girls and not only Romanians but also Germans, are pimped. I remember one at LR buying him a car with her first month earning and having to return to be fucked much earlier than she told me when she flied home. Many have taxi pimp, some have pimp at home in Romania. Pimp meaning a guy who live with WG money or get money from her. I will have to keep on improving to give orgasmus because if many say thank You, but none bought me a car, I have to work to pay. Some Germans have pimp name written on them, telling this is brother.

[Adindas]

Just advice you to wait outside the FKK 30 minutes before opening (not at the entry but 100, 200 meters) to watch which kind of cars are dropping the working girls and which kind of men are driving them to their "work"

You refused to answer these questions:

If the girls are not making money to support their family at home, why do you think they keep coming back to FKKs after having a break in their home countries?. If they were forced to become a prostitute, and they managed to escape as they are already in safe hand at home, are they going to come backk at the same place ?

Pimping is illegal. There are significant number of Girls woking in FKKs. if pimping was a pandemic in FKK why do FKKS still exist to this date? If you are pretty sure they have been trafficked / pimped why did not you report it to the authority??

About the transportation you see before FKK opening, it is the fact that these girls mostly from Romania are just a short term (say 1-3 months) in FKKs in Germany before having a break home. So, it is difficult for them to get a proper renting arrangement for such short period of time such as those a permanent workers, students will get.

So, in many cases the FKK need to provide them accommodation to rent. Some of the accommodation are within walking distance within FKKs some are not, so to save cost of taxi the FKK or their agent are helping them by providing transportation services between venue and home.

I can t accept this correlation between prostitution and rape, are you saying that Chinese, Japanese, Korean men are rapping when they are in the middle east?

Another misunderstanding. I never said the Asian guys are raping them when they are in middle east. There are a lot of news the domestic workers sexual abuse done by their hosts/masters(or family members/ realtives) in middle east. It is significantly higher than those in Germany.

[Mursenary]

are you saying that Chinese, Japanese, Korean men are rapping when they are in the middle east?

He meant that Middle Eastern men are abusing and raping their imported domestic workers. These women come from Indonesia, the Philippines, and various African countries.

https://news.trust.org/item/20141023104335-s8zo7/

https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/fr/node/196097

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1751651/middle-east

https://www.dw.com/en/foreign-domest...ast/a-16423615

https://gal-dem.com/i-was-screaming-...e-gulf-region/

https://english.alaraby.co.uk/englis...omestic-worker

[Mursenary]

Just advice you to wait outside the FKK 30 minutes before opening (not at the entry but 100, 200 meters) to watch which kind of cars are dropping the working girls and which kind of men are driving them to their "work". I can t accept this correlation between prostitution and rape, are you saying that Chinese, Japanese, Korean men are rapping when they are in the middle east?

A handful of old BMWs and MBs are seen dropping girls off. More arrive in Taxi's often with 2 or 3 girls sharing a car. At Sharks, I often park across the street where the lover boys and pimps wait and there are hardly ever more than 2-3 cars waiting for girls at the end of the night. I do see many more girls hoping into taxi's. The largest group just sleep in the clubs.

Plenty of research has been done to support the correlation of decreased sexual violence-rape and legalized prostitution. Some even show a decline in sexually transmitted diseases due to regulation and education.

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedici...l.pmed.1002680

http://www.restud.com/wp-content/upl...manuscript.pdf

https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/...7/pol.20150299

https://www.independent.org/pdf/work...ostitution.pdf

Not to mention a decrease in drug use:

https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/attache...etherlands.pdf

But be fair, there's some research that supports the counter argument, but they seem to be in the minority.

http://www.economics-human-trafficki..._9_1_12-34.pdf

https://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/v...ontext=dignity

[ExpatLover]

This is another bollock especially from a person who have visited FKK many times in the pasts. If the girls are not making money to support their family at home, why do you think they keep coming back to FKKs after having a break in their home countres?

Also do not forget pimping is illegal, if pimping is the general case in FKK why do FKKS still exist to this date? If an informed punter knows a certain FKKs are overwhelmed by the trafficked girls who have been forced to go into prostitution, they will report it here on ISG to warn the fellow punters or report it to the police. Keep in mind the people visit FKK to have a good time not to getinto trouble. But This is not to suggest there is not any pimping or trafficking case in FKKs. But like in any other business criminals are everywhere and simply cannot be eliminated entirely.

It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents is anywhere even in higly paid job, not just in prostitution. Examples : Job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc..

Just advice you to wait outside the FKK 30 minutes before opening (not at the entry but 100, 200 meters) to watch which kind of cars are dropping the working girls and which kind of men are driving them to their "work". I can t accept this correlation between prostitution and rape, are you saying that Chinese, Japanese, Korean men are rapping when they are in the middle east?

[Adindas]

I am afraid that they are not supporting their families but their pimps. I control my libido and if there is no prostitution I will not rape a girl, very strange mindset even to make this kind of correlation.

This is another bollock especially from a person who have visited FKK many times in the pasts. If the girls are not making money to support their family at home, why do you think they keep coming back to FKKs after having a break in their home countres?

Also do not forget pimping is illegal, if pimping is the general case in FKK why do FKKS still exist to this date? If an informed punter knows a certain FKKs are overwhelmed by the trafficked girls who have been forced to go into prostitution, they will report it here on ISG to warn the fellow punters or report it to the police. Keep in mind the people visit FKK to have a good time not to getinto trouble. But This is not to suggest there is not any pimping or trafficking case in FKKs. But like in any other business criminals are everywhere and simply cannot be eliminated entirely.

It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents is anywhere even in higly paid job, not just in prostitution. Examples : Job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc.

I never say that the punters will not be able to control their sexual desire and will rape the girl if the prostitution is not available or banned entirely. But the statistics around the world has shown that there is a strong correlation between the availability of paid sex and rape case. Just look at the rape case of domestic workers coming from poor countries in Asia in middle east and compare it to the rape case in Germany.

[Mursenary]

I am afraid that they are not supporting their families but their pimps. I control my libido and if there is no prostitution I will not rape a girl, very strange mindset even to make this kind of correlation.

Not all have pimps. Not even most. I don't think even half.

[Mursenary]

They all have a strong herd immunity fetish but at least some of them have a basic knowledge of good manners.

It is strange that I've counted at least 4 of them and 3 seem to be very similar. It's as if 3 teenage boys got together and started trolling the same board.