Seeking Arrangements

[MiamiBoy1]

Many women use text technology and will not answer a phone to converse prior to expecting to meet. Fewer of these women will show up.

Many are using fake names, fake photos, face photos which do not reveal their huge butts or other obesity.

Heck, they don't even text back. Messages marked unread. Or respond few days later, when I no longer care to respond. This is very surprising considering there is a curfew and a weekend lockdown when everything is shut down. I thought online platforms like SA, FB and Tinder would outperform, because many casas, strip clubs, etc are closed.

And yes, if no full body / height pictures are posted, 99% she is fat as fuck.

And those 2%-3% hot ones either won't respond, simply because your message is lost among hundreds and thousands others, or they will quote $300+.
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[NeilGeorge]

This website is not worth it any more. Several reasons:

Price went up to 99 a month for men starting January 25th.

Many women from Craigslist, who were simply prostitute escorts, have moved in. They want a quick buck at their convenience, their timing, location, etc. They are not willing to meet at a restaurant and explore a LTR.

Many women, especially the younger ones, expect to get money or a gift prior to meeting in person.

Many women use text technology and will not answer a phone to converse prior to expecting to meet. Fewer of these women will show up.

Many are trying to sell videos or photos of themselves. Some argue that because of Covid they want an "online" arrangement. This means you pay them money to see their photos or videos. Not actual meetings.

Many are using fake names, fake photos, face photos which do not reveal their huge butts or other obesity.

[CarloRogue]

Disappointed with SA in Bogota. Really low response rate, girls are too flaky. Low quality photos, usually only 1 or 2 shitty selfies. Even after we exchange numbers and move to WhatsApp it does not go any further, most of them just vanish. Don't they need my money?) Go figure.

I wasn't there very long, but had a similar experience. I chalked it up to bad luck at the time, but perhaps not. I have detected a larger pattern in my travels that destinations with a legal P4 P scene tend to have much less quality and quantity on SA. Of course, queue up the anecdotal reports to the contrary, YMMV, and yada yada yada. But for me, SA just isn't as enticing or worth the effort when I'm lounging in an FKK spa in Germany, feasting on Thai in London, or sampling Latin American fare in Spain & Portugal.

[DramaFree11]

Disappointed with SA in Bogota. Really low response rate, girls are too flaky. Low quality photos, usually only 1 or 2 shitty selfies. Even after we exchange numbers and move to WhatsApp it does not go any further, most of them just vanish. Don't they need my money?) Go figure.

Great report, I do not have any experience in Bogota, so no comment. Let's just say I was not impressed with MDE at all. Not a good for me, honestly I did not like anything about MDE, besides natural beauty of the city. Mexico and Russia are so much better for me. Good luck.

[MiamiBoy1]

I know Bogota is much better. The girls seem to be harder working and smarter. From my experience in MDE, I would say schools are much easier then in the states, also 90% of the girls I was meeting in MDE would never make in the states, just to lazy.

Disappointed with SA in Bogota. Really low response rate, girls are too flaky. Low quality photos, usually only 1 or 2 shitty selfies. Even after we exchange numbers and move to WhatsApp it does not go any further, most of them just vanish. Don't they need my money?) Go figure.

[Elvis 2008]

Here's my 2 cents.

For a young guy, the main reason to get married is to have a loving and supportive partner, because when men are young, we tend to be immature, and also super stressed out, as we are working on our careers.

For the older guy, the only reason to get married is if you want to have kids and you want your kids to have a mother.

Otherwise, there is no reason to get married. That's just my opinion, of course.

MW,

I have a very smart wealthy, and single friend who had the daughter of his ex refuse to want to go stay with her mother. I think she was around 15 at the time. He looked into things and instead of adopting her, he told her to be an emancipated minor who chose to stay with him. He then adopted her when she was an adult and was really happy to do so. It is funny how the state looks so differently at that than as if he adopted her. No CPS and all that shit.

I have been thinking about the idea of surrogate fatherhood as an idea and not for me. Women are now getting pregnant with the sperm of men. I wonder if men should look at doing the same with the over and uterus. I do not know your experience with this but the way women are with their children, I just do not know. I had a father who used me a bit as an accessory to his status, and I did not like it. I think a lot of mothers put pressure on their children as a reflection on them. Do you have any thoughts on the surrogate idea?

During my divorce, my ex was furious at my son. She called me all kind of names and insisted he hate me as much as she did which was pretty much a terrible form of abuse. He would wince like an abused dog waiting to be hit if I mentioned his mother so I said very little about her when we were together during and after the divorce period. I could not believe how happy and better he did when we got divorced. Five years later, he was even valedictorian of his class.

It seems like the two times women are excused for being crazy psycho bitches is when they are going through a divorce and early on raising children. I am just wondering if men would be better off having sugar babies, surrogate mothers, and nannies than wives. It would probably be cheaper.

A family member of mine who just had kids said, "I love my kids, but I hate my wife", and it broke my heart. I wonder how many other guys feel the same way.

[Midwestern]

Just got back from MTY great trip and ended with an incredible girl that spent the night last night. The first night she did nit ask for money, but we did not have sex. She met me at the restaurant Tuesday evening and when she walked in all the staff was amazed by her beauty. They were telling me how hot she is. Living the dream, I will post a detailed report tomorrow.

Awesome! Looking forward to the report!

[DramaFree11]

LOL. Not in the USA. Honestly, it is the feminist crap, women like to say there are more women in college than men, but do you know what their degrees are in? To me, those women are just avoiding the work place. I would not have gone to college if it did not mean more money and with most of these women and especially today, it means just that. They are happy taking out loans, getting into debt, and not having to deal with it in college, but honestly, they would have been better off not going to college at all. Many of the college women today are just flat out nuts.

There was a strip club line in the 90's where women would say when you tipped them, it helped out with their medical school or law school expenses. You would ask these women about what classes they were taking, and they would go blank..

Elvis,

Normally I agree with almost everything you say. Yes, American women need to focus more in the there looks and Heath. They are so busy trying to complete with men's they are losing there femininity, especially comparing them to women in Europe, Russia and Latin America. Honestly there is real no comparison any more, I am not attracted to American anymore, usually they just piss me off in life. I tolerate the women In my family and my female clients abs that about all for me.

As far as Colombia, girls. All my experience was in MDE and I was not impressed at all. Very jealous, insecure, lazy, real bad attitudes and dumb. The once I have met in America and Mexico are even worse. I was not using SA when I was in MDE and I was on a budget, so that would obviously change things. Now if a Colombian chick contacts me in MTY I block them immediately.

I know Bogota is much better. The girls seem to be harder working and smarter. From my experience in MDE, I would say schools are much easier then in the states, also 90% of the girls I was meeting in MDE would never make in the states, just to lazy.

Mad respect, You and others Guys on this page have major game. Just got back from MTY great trip and ended with an incredible girl that spent the night last night. The first night she did nit ask for money, but we did not have sex. She met me at the restaurant Tuesday evening and when she walked in all the staff was amazed by her beauty. They were telling me how hot she is. Living the dream, I will post a detailed report tomorrow.

[Luminous]

South Florida isn't bad, but they all want stupid money.

SNHU pivoted to primarily online before it became fashionable. So that makes sense. They have students all over the US.

[Elvis 2008]

The funny thing is that one of the reasons why SA began was so SDs could date college students that needed some extra spending money. But do you any of you guys (especially if you are over 50) still date these college girls?

LOL. Not in the USA. Honestly, it is the feminist crap, women like to say there are more women in college than men, but do you know what their degrees are in? To me, those women are just avoiding the work place. I would not have gone to college if it did not mean more money and with most of these women and especially today, it means just that. They are happy taking out loans, getting into debt, and not having to deal with it in college, but honestly, they would have been better off not going to college at all. Many of the college women today are just flat out nuts.

There was a strip club line in the 90's where women would say when you tipped them, it helped out with their medical school or law school expenses. You would ask these women about what classes they were taking, and they would go blank.

In Colombia, there is some but not as much credit as in the USA, and the women I have met are not in the liberal arts programs but ones where you can actually make an income. When I talked about the subjects they were studying, they all showed me how much they knew about it. An uber drive from NJ told me that Colombian schools are just as hard if not harder than those in the USA.

I may get beat up for saying this but given the rate of obesity in the USA, a woman would do a lot better emphasizing beauty over some if not most types of education.

[Steve 9696]

Just found this on SA. Top colleges for SB's: https://www.seeking.com/p/sugar-baby...sity-2021/usa/.

Notable that there is not a single California university on the list, while Southern New Hampshire Univ. Somehow makes the top 15. Also reinforces why Phoenix has been my best travel city to date.

SNHU pivoted to primarily online before it became fashionable. So that makes sense. They have students all over the US.

[Midwestern]

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This is my point: So why is marriage being rammed down our throats? Because it is the most common way by far for women to achieve wealth. In fact, if you look at all the emotional hurt as the author points out, you really are working your whole life for a woman.

I think a much better strategy is for American guys to go to a country where they are at least 8's financially? What do you all think?

For me, I felt like I had to justify being happier with multiple SBs rather than a wife or GF. Now after looking at all this, I realize I am not missing anything.

Here's my 2 cents.

For a young guy, the main reason to get married is to have a loving and supportive partner, because when men are young, we tend to be immature, and also super stressed out, as we are working on our careers.

For the older guy, the only reason to get married is if you want to have kids and you want your kids to have a mother.

Otherwise, there is no reason to get married. That's just my opinion, of course.

[Midwestern]

Just found this on SA. Top colleges for SB's: https://www.seeking.com/p/sugar-baby...sity-2021/usa/.

Notable that there is not a single California university on the list, while Southern New Hampshire Univ. Somehow makes the top 15. Also reinforces why Phoenix has been my best travel city to date.

I met a bunch of Berkeley SBs when I was living and working in SF. Eventually, I just decided that college students were too young for me. (1) We had almost NOTHING in common, so it was always awkward hanging out with them. (2) They are SUPER busy, and so the flake ratio was very high. (3) And they often treated me like a client, which is not surprising given the age difference. Finally, I got some drama from one of them, probably because she was only 21 or 22. So, I finally decided that 24 was the minimum SB age for me.

The funny thing is that one of the reasons why SA began was so SDs could date college students that needed some extra spending money. But do you any of you guys (especially if you are over 50) still date these college girls?

[Midwestern]

Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.

LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.

So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.

BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).

MW,

I think it has to deal with how many rich SDs there are, living expenses, and the morals of a given region.

Totally agree. For example, not too many rich SDs in Portland, but plenty of hippie chicks.

Just want to say YMMV. Las Vegas 3 for 3. NYC 3 for 4. Miami 1 for 1. All 8's and up. All but one we hooked up on SA weeks in advance. So maybe I just had a lucky 2019. But the big cities been berry berry good to me.

I agree that Las Vegas is very good! But I have found that super cheezy touristy cities to be good in general. Niagara Falls is another example where SA is very good. No offense to anyone from these places. I actually like LV.

Midwestern you know your shit. Amazing post. You need to organize a trip to the top 3 destinations, we could get a group of guys together and have a blast. Moscow is number one for me, maybe Sau Paulo and one other destination. I can not travel over the summer, because to busy at work, but after Thanksgiving, until Feb, I have a lot of free time.

LOL, I don't know if you're kidding or not. But I think a large part of it is that these small cities have almost no turnover in terms of both SDs and SBs, and so the SBs get excited when a new guy comes to town. This is why I put in the "traveler's point of view" caveat. I am sure that the SA market in small cities suck for locals.

[Elvis 2008]

I had a little pressure for people telling me to look in the USA and quit going abroad for women. I like making decisions based on facts and numbers, and I really did not have them until I read this book: https://*******.com/y294szrc.

The Book of Numbers: Analyzing the ROI on the Pursuit of Women.

So basically in this book, the first part was looking at wife material so he excluded the obese, single moms, women with herpes, huge debt, financial irresponsible women ETC. He totals it up and he got 2% or one in 50 women.

Then he asked what were the chances that a woman would go out with an average Joe with an average income. Are you ready? It was one in 200 or 0. 5%.

And even if you got that women to go out with you and you were married, your odds are 4 X greater of getting a divorce than being in a happy marriage. Happy marriages are one in 8 but really what we think of as ideal marriages are really closer to 2% or one in 50.

The average guy over his life time will spend $260,000 in the pursuit of, maintenance of, and disposal of women. The author correctly points out had those same guys put the money in the market they would have $10 million.

This is my point: So why is marriage being rammed down our throats? Because it is the most common way by far for women to achieve wealth. In fact, if you look at all the emotional hurt as the author points out, you really are working your whole life for a woman.

The author linked to another book I found interesting called the unplugged Alpha, the no bullshit guide to winning with women. https://*******.com/y49m4p22.

This guy has a you tube channel and much of the same ideas are found there that was in the book: https://www.youtube.com/c/EntrepreneursInCars/featured.

I have learned a lot from his book and the videos. What he says though and it is backed up by studies is that 80% of the women only will swipe right on only the top 20% of guys.

For people going abroad, this video is important, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDx_zJAPshs it shows what hypergamy is, a woman will always look to swing up. It is in their nature. He looks at a hot woman dating an overweight guy and predicts they will break up based on the Instagram page. She is taking more pictures of herself and fewer and fewer of him. The point with us is that if you think that sweet foreigner is going to stay sweet if she is in America for a while, you are kidding yourself.

I am going to expand on this post though. There is a lot to here. I like the phrase "Chase excellence not women" but I do not like the phrase "Do the work. " because it sounds like men have not been doing anything.

There were things I did not like about both books. In book one, the guy says that should men should not get discouraged and seek out a mistress. Instead he should date loads and loads of women and then he ups his chances for a good union. Uh why? Given the horrific failure rate with marriage, why would you want to keep with that model? Maybe men should take a page from women and look at surrogates if they want to have children and a family. You pick a woman's eggs and not all the drama that goes with it. Pay other people to raise your kid. In many cases, it is a shitload cheaper than a wife, and the kids are 100% yours. Hell, I think kids would thrive in a climate where there is no mommy-daddy drama.

In the second book and follow up videos, the author says if a guy is not a 8 in terms of looks or wealth, he should work up to being an 8 because he is going to get hurt. At least he says it is okay to "spin plates" and see multiple women before finding a girlfriend.

For the longest time I have wondered why attractive men think they own attractive women and why the American media studios emphasize it and this is it. The problem with it is that there is nothing about character, personality, and maybe a little about being a provider. I read this and it really is saying that ALL women are shallow working girls.

So sure you should pursue excellence. You should try to get into shape but it is not a zero sum game. Time at the mall picking out clothes is time you could be earning money. So for the guy who says I am going to put money into clothes so I look great, I laugh and say, "And I am going to put money into women and do better than you. " Paying for clothes is an illusion that the woman is with you for you and not your money.

There is a show called the hotter half on Netflix which measures the percentage of women who would date a guy, and I have never seen a guy move from a low score into the top 20%. I have seen a guy move looks wise from a 6 to an 8 or 2 to a 5 but a 2 to a 10? Never.

On the other hand, I think if you do the work money wise it is much more likely to pay off.

I think a much better strategy is for American guys to go to a country where they are at least 8's financially? What do you all think?

For me, I felt like I had to justify being happier with multiple SBs rather than a wife or GF. Now after looking at all this, I realize I am not missing anything.