American Politics

[ScatManDoo]

Obama's administration successfully contained a virus that had the potential to be a global pandemic.

Primarily most of what the Trump Administration did was lie hundreds of times claiming to have contained their pandemic.

See attachment comparing Trump with Bush and Obama. . . As to cancer, don't think any politician can control medical issues, but they can control whether to attack other countries. Biden BTW was a big supporter in the Senate of Bush's attack on Iraq. In politics the choice is not usually between good and bad, but bad and worse. Trump was bad, but Hillary was worse.

Hillary probably would have successfully contained the pandemic. The playbook on fighting pandemics was above Trump's reading level, so he just ignored it.

Trump damaged the economy. His mismanagement of the pandemic has caused a loss of 3 million American jobs during the carnage administration.

Joe and Kamala will get back the jobs Trump lost. 400,000 new jobs in clean air technologies alone.

[Paulie97]

Anyone old enough (and not yet senescent, paulie) recollects how in the late 60's, it was the Left that entrenched power had to suppress in order to maintain their hegemony. Fast forward to now, and it's the Right that is being targeted. It has everything to do with the suppression of Free Speech..

It doesn't matter how old you are or what you try to insult your way out of. Calls to hang the vice-president and violently stop an election certification at the US Capital weren't protected speech. And any calls to violence are risky, and no media entity should feel compelled to host it, by law or any other reason. Same also applies to stolen election allegations when no evidence was ever presented for it. So yea, Parler, E. Michael Jones, you need to find some new populist soapboxes to stand on, if you want to be taken seriously.

P.S. This was already stated by the way, but as usual you lacked the balls to quote the material you responded to, in order to clear the way to repeat the same fallacy.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...-by-Repetition

[Paulie97]

Good points all-around, MDE. Thanks. It's useless to banter with the brainwashed dumbocrats. Watch how prices on everything skyrocket now on everything you fucking liberal. And crime soars. Trump did more good in office in four years than all the democrats did in history combined. Bring it you shit-for-brain liberal ding dongs.

"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" The market has actually been doing quite well the last two and one half months since it has been known that Biden would be president. Markets like stability, and are glad to see the Covid denialism, childish tantrums, and constant lies of a traitorous wannabe autocrat go. Bring a legitimate conservative candidate next time and we'll listen.

[ShooBree]

Let me remind you Proud Boys that the scenes of violence and looting followed the gratuitous killing of citizens by people for whom Black Lives don't Matter.

Last time I checked more white people are killed by the police than blacks, but hey, don't let facts come in the way of you playing the race card.

[ShooBree]

Soap...What? We don't need no stinking, soap! ...kkkk.

That goes double for the Republican lawmakers that are complicit in the insurrection and were trying to weasel a last minute pardon.

Considering the riots and cop murders encouraged by liberal politicians and committed by their supporters I think you should take it easy with the unfounded accusations against your political opponents.

[Paulie97]

Way too far out leftist concept for our so-called liberals, who are in reality neoliberal totalitarians. As has been said, the political game in America is played between the forty yard lines.

So what is the proposal? The Democratic Socialism of Crazy Bernie and Cornell West? Yet you stick up for Parler and the Capital mob, link to the site of a known Anti-Semite E Michael Jones, and have array an of alt right conspiracy theories going. Your confusion is contagious. LOL.

[Travv]

See attachment comparing Trump with Bush and Obama. . . As to cancer, don't think any politician can control medical issues, but they can control whether to attack other countries. Biden BTW was a big supporter in the Senate of Bush's attack on Iraq. In politics the choice is not usually between good and bad, but bad and worse. Trump was bad, but Hillary was worse. As to Biden opening up the borders to hordes of illegals carrying COVID and other diseases and costing thousands of union jobs due to the shutdown of the Keystone pipeline project and the border wall project, this is not the type of Democrat politician I would vote for. If the Democrat doesn't protect union jobs, then he is good for nothing. Trump was obviously better for union workers than Biden IMO after what Biden just did to thousands who just lost their jobs.

Next you'll be tell us, he cured cancer and brought world peace.

Does corporate welfare come to mind? Think about it now?

[Spidy]

Trump Stain.

1. Standing up for Americans and American business. Supporting black neighborhoods and universities. Lowest unemployment in history for women, backs, hispanics. Getting the vaccine less than a year when they said it would take 2-3 years. Lowering taxes for everyone. Killing the Iran deal and Paris Accord. Making USA energy self suffecient. Keeping our borders safe. Holding China accountable. Keeping USA from war.

Next you'll be telling us, he cured cancer and brought world peace.

Biden Plan: Screw USA businesses. Keep everybody poor and dependent in the government. Open our borders to all. Good or bad. Medicare and citizenship for illegals. Kill the USA energy business. Cancel free speech. Eliminate our history as we are all racists and need to be punished. Give 11,000,000 illegals citizenship so they can vote legally next time not like this year. Open borders will give democrats 20,000,000 new votes in 4 years. Doesn't matter if they take jobs away from USA citizens.

I guess not many of the guys on this site had business's and employees. Didn't have to deal with govt regulations and govt stupidity. They were teachers, professors, lawyers, government workers.

BIDEN FIRST DAY WILL BE BIGGEST STAIN ON USA FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

Does corporate welfare come to mind? Think about it now?

[Paulie97]

That 'the US Constitution doesn't touch private companies' is the means whereby your civil liberties will be taken away from you. Pay attention.

Look who isn't paying attention. You cannot take something away from someone that they never had. The US Constitution doesn't afford anyone the right to state their views in a private publication. You can start your own though, or organize a public demonstration.

What sort of political and economic systems do you advocate? Exploitation, inequality, and unfairness have always existed, and likely always will. But yea, let's get to the nuts and bolts and hear your proposals.

If it involves defanging private corporations by removing them from the political sphere, then it's back to civil liberities as their financial contributions are protected by the first amendment. See Buckley v. Valeo (1976) and Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (2010).

[Spidy]

Agent Orange pardoned Little Wayne and Kwame Kilpatrick among dozens of Black heroes. The white supremacist insurrectionists waited in vain for pardons that never materialized. They will spend the next several years trying not to drop the soap. What a bunch of suckers! LOL!

https://www.bet.com/news/national/20...mutations.html

Soap...What? We don't need no stinking, soap! ...kkkk.

That goes double for the Republican lawmakers that are complicit in the insurrection and were trying to weasel a last minute pardon.

[Spidy]

As it became clear that Trump was not, in fact, going to suddenly appear and order the arrest of all the Democrats, QAnon believers began to wonder if they had been tricked.

As the rest of the country waited for Joe Biden to be inaugurated, believers in the QAnon conspiracy theory thought they were about to see something else: the long-awaited mass arrests of Biden and a host of other "deep-state" Democrats, followed by the restoration of the Trump presidency.

"Trump will walk out during the arrest and thank America for reelection," one QAnon supporter posted on a forum shortly before the inauguration. "This will be remembered as the greatest day since the-Day."

As Biden was sworn in, though, the mass arrests that QAnon believers call "The Storm," stubbornly refused to happen. Trump really did appear to have left office, rather than springing the sly trap as they had all hoped. . The Democrats really did have control of the White House and both chambers of Congress.

The tens of thousands of National Guard soldiers QAnon believers thought would help Trump retake Washington instead appeared to be there for a more obvious purpose: protecting the city from the same crazed QAnon believers who had violently attacked the Capitol two weeks earlier.

"I'm about to puke," one QAnon fan watching Biden take the oath of office wrote.

For more than three years, tens of thousands of QAnon believers have pinned their hopes for the future on a second Trump term. They've become convinced that the government is run by a cabal of satanic pedophile-cannibals, and that Trump is the only way to restore justice. Many of them, egged by promises that Trump's "Plan" included the eradication of diseases and personal debt, pinned their dreamson QAnon as well, alienating friends and family with their ideas.

Then, on Wednesday afternoon, the QAnon future vanished, presenting the ever-expanding conspiracy theory with its greatest challenge yet.

As Biden's inauguration became ever more certain on Wednesday, QAnon believers rapidly cycled through rationalizations. They claimed that Trump was stepping down as the head of the United States "corporation" an idea borrowed from fringe sovereign citizen legal theories to become the head of a restored republic. Some QAnon leaders claimed that Biden himself was in on the scheme, and would soon help Trump carry out the arrests.

As Biden finally took office, however, the mood changed quickly on QAnon forums. QAnon channels on messaging app Telegram filled with gifs of far-right mascot Pepe the Frog crying, as believers claimed they had been duped. Believers said they felt sick, or wanted to throw up.

"Trump fooled us," complained one Telegram commenter.

"All my family and co-workers think I'm crazy," wrote another.

"I feel stupid," wrote a third.

Even major QAnon boosters saw their faith in the bizarre conspiracy theory shaken on Monday. QAnon booster Roy Davis co-authored a bestselling book promoting QAnon under the alias "Captain Roy," even getting his sports car painted with a giant, blazing "Q" on the hood.

As Biden was sworn in, Davis initially told The Daily Beast he didn't want to comment until he was sure Biden was really president. But as Biden's new title became official, Davis said he was ready to move on from Q something his doctor has long urged him to do anyway.

"We misinterpreted it," Davis said. "Maybe we should have done something different."

Other top QAnon figures appeared to be backing away. As the former administrator of QAnon clues website 8 kun, Ron Watkins had control over who posted as the mysterious "Q" and has been accused of being Q himself. But on Wednesday, Watkins suggested that the QAnon fight was over.

"Please remember all the friends and happy memories we made together over the past few years," Watkins wrote in a Telegram post.

Still, there are many signs that QAnon and the kind of unreality world it promoted will persist.

As Trump's defeat became more certain, QAnon followers changed their claims, beginning to insist that the president's war against the "deep state" had only begun. As the shock of Biden's inauguration wore off on Wednesday, QAnon forum posters encouraged one another to "hold the line," claiming that they had merely misunderstood the QAnon clues.

The problem created by QAnon seems set to remain, as well. QAnon has been tied to three murders and a terrorist incident near the Hoover Dam, along with a series of other crimes. Biden's top intelligence chief has promised an analysis of the threat posed by the conspiracy theory.

Even as he distances himself from QAnon, for example, Davis still thinks "Q" really was a government whistleblower revealing the truth about the world.

"It wasn't some kid in a basement," Davis said.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/im-abo...n-takes-office

Perfectly, sums up the delusional, lunatic fringe that is the, QAnon, radical right-wing cabal.

[Paulie97]

What irreverence are you cutting-and-pasting now?

If you ever get yourself able to comprehend the meaning and original context of classical liberalism you might be able to get a grip on the basics of the current system: 'neoliberalism'. Of course that would be wishful thinking: the 'political science' you reference has been rebranded as 'political economy' decades ago, long since evidently you had a book open in front of you.

You said "Liberal Fascism," which is terminology that has been used in the past by journalists trying to do history, Jonah Goldberg and more recently Dinesh the'Souza. The aim is to connect modern political liberals in the US with Fascism. Even still if you meant neo-liberalism then you still have no case. Pay attention.

The concept of "corporatism" in the Fascism of Mussolini, who coined the term, is distincty different from the role of large corporations in the US capitialist economy. In the former competition, market entry, and innovation weren't allowed. At the top were state run syndicates, with only one allowed in each industry. There's also a number of features of Fascism that aren't prominent in the ideas of most of today's free market advocates, that PVMonger linked you to. So yea, as usual, you are just swinging and missing. Posturing will never be a substitute for substance.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fa...sm-dictionary/

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism

P.S. If the term "political science" is now out of favor then you need to contact every university in the states who still uses it to name certain departments and award degrees. Out the window it went with "right and left" I suppose. You are hilarious. LOL.

[Tavares]

Also amazing was that only riots yesterday were in Portland, Seattle, Denver. More peaceful protests as CNN claims just BLM and Antifa burning and looting. Demand defund police, abolish ice, burn American flags.

Big winner yesterday was China, followed by Russia, followed by illegal citizens followed by asylum seekers.

Big losers yesterday American business, all American citizens more so for the lower income. More taxes and higher energy costs. Manufacturing will start going back to China and USA will start moving their jobs overseas again. Business in USA can't compete in world market with Obama regulations.

The first reward for China payoffs for the Biden family.

The only good thing is that people that voted for Biden will suffer the most but they aren't smart enough to figure it out as their suffering will all be blamed on Trump for the next 4 years as Obama did blaming Bush. Biden is smart. He knows that everything that he screws up he can blame on Trump and the media will agree and verify it.

Another thought is that Biden is a big supporter of BLM. Shouldn't he be impeached for this. No because he will go after the White supremist's who aren't protesting and looting.

It won't affect me but it is devastating for our kids and grand kids.

Let me remind you Proud Boys that the scenes of violence and looting followed the gratuitous killing of citizens by people for whom Black Lives don't Matter.

[Tavares]

Trump Stain.

1. Standing up for Americans and American business. Supporting black neighborhoods and universities. Lowest unemployment in history for women, backs, hispanics. Getting the vaccine less than a year when they said it would take 2-3 years. Lowering taxes for everyone. Killing the Iran deal and Paris Accord. Making USA energy self suffecient. Keeping our borders safe. Holding China accountable. Keeping USA from war.

Biden Plan: Screw USA businesses. Keep everybody poor and dependent in the government. Open our borders to all. Good or bad. Medicare and citizenship for illegals. Kill the USA energy business. Cancel free speech. Eliminate our history as we are all racists and need to be punished. Give 11,000,000 illegals citizenship so they can vote legally next time not like this year. Open borders will give democrats 20,000,000 new votes in 4 years. Doesn't matter if they take jobs away from USA citizens.

I guess not many of the guys on this site had business's and employees. Didn't have to deal with govt regulations and govt stupidity. They were teachers, professors, lawyers, government workers.

BIDEN FIRST DAY WILL BE BIGGEST STAIN ON USA FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

Trump's stain or Trump's Stalin? Or he would love to.

[Canada]

The Trump stain will be with the United States for a while.

Trump Stain.

1. Standing up for Americans and American business. Supporting black neighborhoods and universities. Lowest unemployment in history for women, backs, Hispanics. Getting the vaccine less than a year when they said it would take 2-3 years. Lowering taxes for everyone. Killing the Iran deal and Paris Accord. Making USA energy self sufficient. Keeping our borders safe. Holding China accountable. Keeping USA from war.

Biden Plan: Screw USA businesses. Keep everybody poor and dependent in the government. Open our borders to all. Good or bad. Medicare and citizenship for illegals. Kill the USA energy business. Cancel free speech. Eliminate our history as we are all racists and need to be punished. Give 11,000,000 illegals citizenship so they can vote legally next time not like this year. Open borders will give democrats 20,000,000 new votes in 4 years. Doesn't matter if they take jobs away from USA citizens.

I guess not many of the guys on this site had business's and employees. Didn't have to deal with govt regulations and govt stupidity. They were teachers, professors, lawyers, government workers.

Biden first day will be biggest stain on USA for a very long time.