American Politics

[GeneHickman]

Sex work could be decriminalized in New York under new bill introduced to state senate today. Meaning prostitutes can't be prosecuted but Johns will face heavy fines while pimps could be jailed.

The Sex Trade Survivors Justice & Equality Act was introduced in New York state senate Monday.

The act would offer sex workers access to social services and extend legal protections to them, among other beneficial elements.

The act would offer sex workers access to social service while also closing loopholes used by johns.

Buying sex, sex trafficking and brothel owning would continue to be illegal.

Didn't think anything could get worse than the status quo for stateside mongers. But here it is.

[EihTooms]

Interesting observations as you clearly have some insight having lived through all of that. One of the rare 100% cogent posts of late. I'm going to have to do my homework.

I appreciate your reasonable response and reply to my lengthy post. lol. As you can see I am into this kind of lively political discussion on a more reality-based historical data and record of results level as you seem to be as well. I should have cited and lauded your observations on some good and bad on both sides before. Well, I am not a fan of "bothsiderism" in political analysis, not saying you are, because it tends to elevate the side that consistently promotes policies that crash the economy and denigrates the side that consistently recovers us from those crashes, only serving to help the former win elections over the latter. I'll pass on that nicety until I see it helping more Dems win over Repubs, which I have yet to witness. But some points you made were very much worth considering.

[Beijing4987]

Trump fired FBI Director James Comey shortly after Comey refused to end the investigation into Michael Flynn. Vol 1 ,pg 75.

Trump tried to get Attorney General Jeff Sessions to protect him by limiting the investigation into himself and his associates. Vol 2 pg 97,112,113.

Trump ordered White House Counsel Donald McGsnn to fire Special Counsel Mueller, but McGann refused. Trump then ordered McGann to lie about the attempted firing and create false records. Vol 2 pg 89,120.

Trump actively discouraged his senior aides charged with crimes from cooperating by suggesting the possibility of pardons or threatening them in public and private. Vol 2, pg 120-228,144-152.

The report concludes that President Trump personally helped write a false statement for his son to give the public about a meeting with Russian operatives at the campaign headquarters. He falsely claimed the meeting was to discuss adoption policy, rather than the real purpose, to get information benefiting his campaign and damaging his opponent. Vol 2 pg 101-103.

In short, Mueller indicated that the report was an impeachment referral, leaving the matter to the House of Representatives.

"Congress May apply obstruction laws to the President's corrupt excercise of the powers of office accords with the constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law " Vol 2, pg 8.

[ShooBree]

Firstly, Mrs. Clinton conceded on election night. The former president to this day spreads the lie that he won the election. He said. She said. Many liberals said. All rubbish. Secondly, the former president provoked the crowd (quote: Republican senate leader McConnell) that turned violent. The former presidents encouragement that led to violence is much more direct. He will be sued in court for it. He will be tried by the Senate for it. And it will be the pivotal moment of his presidency in the history books. He blew it on Covid and the on the election. Thirdly, why don't you dump this philandering, impestuous, big spending, no military service, not SAT exam, small dick (acc. To Stormy) buffoon, ShooBree. The Republican party needs you on the side of an electable person.

Booms and busts, Dems and Reps, our liberal friends on this forum do not get it. Both parties had both. Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich balanced the budget and created massive wealth. A dem pres and a rep congress may not be so bad after all. And vice versa.

Bill lived out his manly impulses which I appreciate. George Bush senior had a fling. Kennedy was awesome. Al Gore was a big time philanderer but too strange for comfort for me. Ronald Reagan was a Saint. W took cocaine. Obama smoked. I like people with vices. So I probably like ShooBree, even though he is a lost soul, post Trump coma.

Well, Clinton didn't respect the outcome of the election. She claimed that Russia stole the election and called Trump an "illegitimate president".

Trump did the right thing to 100%. He acted just the same as Hillary Clinton and the other libtards did.

It's easy to see that I'm right and you've forgotten what happened after Trumps beautiful victory in 2016.

Trump can't and shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of others. Just as the liberal media and liberal politicians shouldn't be held responsible for the riots / terrorism caused by their fellow ideologists.

[ScatManDoo]

Sex work could be decriminalized in New York under new bill introduced to state senate today. Meaning prostitutes can't be prosecuted but Johns will face heavy fines while pimps could be jailed.

The Sex Trade Survivors Justice & Equality Act was introduced in New York state senate Monday.

The act would offer sex workers access to social services and extend legal protections to them, among other beneficial elements.

The act would offer sex workers access to social service while also closing loopholes used by johns.

Buying sex, sex trafficking and brothel owning would continue to be illegal.

[ScatManDoo]

Imagine you are Andrew Giuliani, son of Rudy Giuliani.

Washed out as a professional golfer that went nowhere after seven years.

Dad has gotten you a job working for the Trump campaign for $95 K a year.

In 5 days Andrew Giuliani will turn 35 years old.

Headlines today read that the large inheritance he was expecting, especially since Dad contracted Covid.

Will probably never cross the palms of his privileged hands, but instead likely going to Dominion Voting because of the lies Rudy can't stop singing.

[ScatManDoo]

I understand that you as a leftist wants to ignore the obvious. The liberal politicians are egging them on by repeating their narrative. Just look at the Democrats; Camel Harris basically accused Biden of being a racist and AOC did the same against the lizard woman in the senate.

Please tell me, is the Democratic Party:

A. Full of racists.

Or.

B. Social justice warriors playing the race card against their own colleagues?

Answer is.

Choice "ce". People of all education levels, confident enough in their individual abilities, talents and appeal to allow others to compete on level playing fields, compared to the typical republican completely dependent on Daddy's money and stature.

[Philosophus]

I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I asked you. Seems like you don't want to answer it since it would expose what a joke the Democratic Party truly is.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08...is-supporters/

Also, many, many liberal politicians suggested that Trump was not a legitimate president and that Russia stole the election. That's nothing short of an encouragement of violence according to the very same people today.

Firstly, Mrs. Clinton conceded on election night. The former president to this day spreads the lie that he won the election. He said. She said. Many liberals said. All rubbish. Secondly, the former president provoked the crowd (quote: Republican senate leader McConnell) that turned violent. The former presidents encouragement that led to violence is much more direct. He will be sued in court for it. He will be tried by the Senate for it. And it will be the pivotal moment of his presidency in the history books. He blew it on Covid and the on the election. Thirdly, why don't you dump this philandering, impestuous, big spending, no military service, not SAT exam, small dick (acc. To Stormy) buffoon, ShooBree. The Republican party needs you on the side of an electable person.

Booms and busts, Dems and Reps, our liberal friends on this forum do not get it. Both parties had both. Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich balanced the budget and created massive wealth. A dem pres and a rep congress may not be so bad after all. And vice versa.

Bill lived out his manly impulses which I appreciate. George Bush senior had a fling. Kennedy was awesome. Al Gore was a big time philanderer but too strange for comfort for me. Ronald Reagan was a Saint. W took cocaine. Obama smoked. I like people with vices. So I probably like ShooBree, even though he is a lost soul, post Trump coma.

[ShooBree]

The only joke is the Republican Party. Screamed 'Law and Order' and 'Self Responsibility' for YEARS. Now they support an insurrection! Boebert, Cruz, Hawley and that QAnon wacko are still seating in the House?!

And those who voted Clinton in 2016 had to deal with it (Trump winning).
How about 2020, and the republicans plus the Trumpcult dealing with Biden winning? Clinton at least conceded, but the Muller report started with lying Flynn. And Trump didn't help by obstructing the Muller investigation!

Even Bill Barr couldn't find irregularities! WTAF do you mean, Biden stole the election? Because that also means that the GOP didn't win seat in the Cngress...WHICH WAS ON THE SAME BALLOT!

And here you are. Crying and parroting Trumps LIES!

LMFAO! You can't even read. I have never claimed that Biden "stole" any election. Maybe you should learn how to read before you write your liberal BS.

Please point out my lies. You're obviously the liar of the two of us.

Clinton didn't really concede, nor did the Democratic Party. The way they cried about Russia stealing the election and Trump not being a legitimate president is not how you expect the leaders of the opposition party to act in a civilized democracy. The Republicans should investigate and impeach Biden just as the Democrats did against Trump after the election in 2016.

How many years did the Muller investigation last? Several years? And they found nothing against Trump.

How long did they investigate Biden and his ties to criminals in Ukraine? A minute?

You're just another liberal afraid of the truth.

Just look at the liberal cities protecting illegal aliens. Not to mention the BLM / antifa terrorists.

[Mursenary]

Yes, I already observed those events in real time and further research on them is quite easy.

It is simplistic and inaccurate to say repealing Glass-Steagall in November 1999 allowed banks to do something Citi-Corp had been doing since 1992 due to enough loopholes in Glass-Steagall that allowed them to do it. Which was why Glass-

Interesting observations as you clearly have some insight having lived through all of that. One of the rare 100% cogent posts of late. I'm going to have to do my homework.

[Beijing4987]

Anyone ready for a Volume 2, obstruction of justice?

[Travv]

USA —CNN and other media outlets praised President Biden for causing the sun to rise this morning.

"The sun rose again this morning after a long absence," said CNN anchor Don Lemon. "As the sunlight peaked over the mountains, bathing the earth in its warm, shimmering light, like the loving embrace of America's new president, I felt a tingling sense of bubbling peace spring up in my soul and shoot out my fingertips as if I were an empty vessel being filled with some kind of intergalactic energy source used to power alien spaceships. I am a soul reborn. America has been made anew. "

According to every credible journalist on TV, President Biden has ushered in an era of hope and light after 4 years of darkness.

Chris Cuomo, in a morning address to the nation, echoed these sentiments, saying: "The midnight rains have washed away the hate and division of the past, like that one scene in The Lion King where Simba roars and Pride Rock is restored to its former glory. As my spirit briefly reflected on the pain and darkness of the last 4 years, I shed a single tear. The restoring rain, falling from the open skies, washed my tear away, never to be seen again. Hope has been reborn, and its name is Joe Biden. ".

Cuomo then went on to promise he would do his duty and cover the Biden Administration with the same journalistic toughness he had with the Trump Administration.

Some scientific experts contested the idea that Biden had actually caused the sun to rise, instead suggesting that journalists had never bothered to notice the sunrise over the last 4 years because they were so preoccupied with how much they hated Trump.

The scientific experts were quickly dismissed as haters, bigots and Trump supporters and have since been suspended from Twitter. . . "

Semisatire. Babylon Bee.

The only joke is the Republican Party. Screamed 'Law and Order' and 'Self Responsibility' for YEARS. Now they support an insurrection! Boebert, Cruz, Hawley and that QAnon wacko are still seating in the House?!

And those who voted Clinton in 2016 had to deal with it (Trump winning).
How about 2020, and the republicans plus the Trumpcult dealing with Biden winning? Clinton at least conceded, but the Muller report started with lying Flynn. And Trump didn't help by obstructing the Muller investigation!

Even Bill Barr couldn't find irregularities! WTAF do you mean, Biden stole the election? Because that also means that the GOP didn't win seat in the Cngress...WHICH WAS ON THE SAME BALLOT!

And here you are. Crying and parroting Trumps LIES!

[Frankypanky]

I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I asked you. Seems like you don't want to answer it since it would expose what a joke the Democratic Party truly is.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08...is-supporters/

Also, many, many liberal politicians suggested that Trump was not a legitimate president and that Russia stole the election. That's nothing short of an encouragement of violence according to the very same people today.

The only joke is the Republican Party. Screamed 'Law and Order' and 'Self Responsibility' for YEARS. Now they support an insurrection! Boebert, Cruz, Hawley and that QAnon wacko are still seating in the House?!

And those who voted Clinton in 2016 had to deal with it (Trump winning).
How about 2020, and the republicans plus the Trumpcult dealing with Biden winning? Clinton at least conceded, but the Muller report started with lying Flynn. And Trump didn't help by obstructing the Muller investigation!

Even Bill Barr couldn't find irregularities! WTAF do you mean, Biden stole the election? Because that also means that the GOP didn't win seat in the Cngress...WHICH WAS ON THE SAME BALLOT!

And here you are. Crying and parroting Trumps LIES!

[EihTooms]

That's a very overly simple claim to say republicans have been responsible for all if even the most number of economic downturns. Most of economic situations during a sitting president's tenure are the result of the previous administration or optimism for the next administration.

While Trump took credit for the "economic boom" during his presidency, was it due to his policies? Mostly No, he merely took credit for the decent work of the Obama policies. They weren't perfect, but even a conservative policy leaner such as myself can admit that Obama generally did a fine job supporting the industries that were essential for American prosperity.

The stock market went bonkers during the last 3 months of the Trump presidency. I personally saw a 60% jump in my portfolio. Did Trump do anything that led to that? I think not. In fact, the crazy rally correlated with optimism for a future Biden administration.

Look at the 2008 economic downturn. What was the main reason for that recession? Deregulation of banking policies that led to irresponsible lending of mortgages. What policy allowed for that? The "repeal" of the Glass-Steagall Act that eventually led to commercial banks being allowed to dip into investment banking and insurance. Which president allowed for that to happen? Bill Clinton in 1999.

Reagan's superfluous spending and warmongering in key oil regions led to the early 90's recessions.

What caused the early 80's double dip recession? The ridiculously high inflation caused during the Carter administration.

The cycle goes on and on as you trace back economic trends throughout the 20th century.

But here's the reality, most of the 20th century economic crises were due to either world events that caused oil price shocks and various policies by the Federal Reserve, an institution more or less independent of the sitting President.

Point is, blaming or crediting political parties for economic success and failures for events during their tenure is both rudimentary and inaccurate.

Yes, I already observed those events in real time and further research on them is quite easy.

It is simplistic and inaccurate to say repealing Glass-Steagall in November 1999 allowed banks to do something Citi-Corp had been doing since 1992 due to enough loopholes in Glass-Steagall that allowed them to do it. Which was why Glass-Steagall was repealed and replaced with Gramm-Leach-Bliley, which did NOT give any banks or lending institutions permission to write bogus mortgage loans. That would have been the job of George W. Bush's Office of Thrift Supervision to supervise, monitor and prevent.

But, surprise surprise, the typically anti-regulation Republican administration had no interest in doing their job of supervising to enforce the regulations of mortgage lending. A thousand Glass-Steagalls in place would not have prevented a financial collapse if an administration's Treasury Department has no interest or motivation from the top to enforce the regulations in them. Particularly when an uptic in homeownership was about the only economic plus the Bush administration could crow about even if it was held together by spit and chewing gum.

Moreover, the repeal of Glass-Steagall was promoted (Republican Senator Gramm spearheaded the replacement Act) and approved by an overwhelming veto-proof Republican Majority controlled Senate (something like 95% passed it in the Senate) under a very lame duck then President Clinton at the end of 1999. No way could he have prevented it from being repealed and replaced.

The "ridiculously high inflation" under Carter was fed by wage inflation caused by too many jobs being created for too few applicants to fill them. We should only be so lucky to someday have such a terrible economic problem under Repub stewardship. It also happens to be one of the easiest economic "problems" to solve as long as you have a President with the nerve to appoint a Fed Chaiman to do what is necessary yet politically deadly to solve it; raise Fed Funds Rates/Interest Rates, raise the cost of borrowing money and cool down an overheated economy.

Being told bluntly by Volker what he would do to tame inflation was the reason Carter appointed him despite his knowing it could be political suicide. It was the right thing to do for the U.S. economy. So the Fed decisions are not as independent of the president who appoints him or her as some might think.

Which is exactly what Carter's Fed Chaiman appointee Paul Volker did beginning in the last quarter of 1979. By the second quarter of 1980 the rate of inflation began to decline and continued to steadily decline almost month over month with only 2-3 mild exceptions here and there for the next 3 years. Of course, Reagan was only too happy to take credit for it in his "Morning in America" 2nd term campaign ads even though he had absolutely nothing to do with accomplishing it.

"double dip recession"? No such thing exists in nature or anywhere else in economic history. That was a concept invented by Reagan supporters who wanted somehow to blame Reagan's Great Recession of late 1981-1983 on Carter. Volker's move did indeed purposely induce a mini recession in the first half of 1980. It barely qualified as a recession by the classic definition of one. There was one quarter of GDP contraction (as intended) at about -7% followed by a second quarter of contraction at a fraction of 1%.

By the time Reagan was elected in November 1980 and inaugurated in January 1981, Carter's recovery from that mini, controlled recession was producing a +7.5% GDP Growth quarter followed by a +8.5% GDP Growth quarter, a steadily declining rate of inflation, a steadily declining unemployment rate from a one month high during that mini recession of 7.8% into the mid/low 7% range that continued well into 1981. Nothing close to recessionary conditions by any measure.

Then Reagan's policies began to hit the streets. Following one of the best average annual jobs creation presidencies of all time (Carter), Reagan's unemployment rate began to climb under his Recession that did not even begin until the last quarter of 1981 and then took the unemployment rate into 10%+ figures for a whopping 10 consecutive months stretching through his second and third year in office.

Again, I have researched and watched enough horrific Great Recessions and skyrocketing unemployment rates follow Repub favorite "pro growth, job creating, pro business" Supply-Side/Trickle-Down nonsense policies in an environment of repealed or unenforced regulations to know those two dots are the easiest to justifiably connect in any era.

[ShooBree]

In a two party system, this comment is laughable. But you, could simply exercise your RIGHT NOT TO VOTE.

Hey, vote liberal, vote for the Democrats, if you think it's the LESSER of TWO EVILS. You don't have to agree will all their politics. Geez!

A liberal wanting people to vote for the Dems or not vote at all. What a shocker!