Manila

[Goferring]

You are probably a lot like me. I like to be generous but despise being ripped off.

ID agree. There is a huge difference between being generous or charitable to those legitimately in need and an absolute sucker. Arguements could even be made that the monger could receive a couple of thousand pesos value in performance or karma. The guy below is never going to see $150 K in value from his pussy for hire.

[SaltyPete]

Yeah, like a said, I'm a sucker too.

Cheers.

You are probably a lot like me. I like to be generous but despise being ripped off.

[Sharka]

Yeah, I'm a sucker too. When I spend too much time in PI, I fall into the lets help the girl mentality. Don't affect me when its only 1-2 week trip but when its a month or more, then guessing could be out of boredom.

The last girl I met was a part time freelancer with a 2 yr old girl. She was a very nice person. Not a harden pro. Use to meet up one a week then she wanted to meet more. I asked why as she always insisted she didn't have time to come out more often when I wanted her. She said her daughter has asthma and she was desperate for hospital bills and medicine. She was always trying to be as cheerful as possible when she was with me but always sad and worried just the same.

I tried not to be too sympathetic but it does affect me the longer you know them. I also tried not to let money be an issue but also do find myself giving her a little more than what we agreed on. There was once when she came over and both just got undressed and her phone rang. She started crying as Neighbor said her daughter was having another asthma attack. She got dressed and wanted to leave right away, didn't ask me for any money even though she had to pay transport to visit me. She ran out of my hotel and I caught up to her in the street. I gave her transport money along with what I usually give her for ST and little extra. So she went away with my money and I got absolutely nothing out of it. Yeah, like a said, I'm a sucker too.

Cheers.

[GoodEnough]

I'm lost here. Why is her family's misfortune his problem?

Guys that loose $150 K only do so because they allow the out flow. Pay the "help" out of her bank account / allowance / part time job and see how long it continues.

Sorry, but I have absolutely no sympathy for these guys. The girls see a cash cow and would be crazy not to take advantage of it.

Cheers. G.

Those of us who live here, and others who have spent significant time here have heard and sometimes witnessed variations on this theme for years. And I'm with G; if the infatuation and ability for self-delusion of these suckers is so all-encompassing that they fall for the endless attempts to part them from their money, then the fault is their own. I cannot count the number of naïfs I've tried to warn, mostly in vain, of what was happening to them or, in some cases, what was likely to happen to them. The standard response, invariably is: "I know what you're saying but she is different. " Of course, she never is. The overarching reason for the continued success of the perpetual scam is that most guys who come here seeking "love," are fishing in the wrong pool. But again, I've made this argument for years, and to date no one has paid any attention and I'm now at the point that I no longer try to help those heading for disaster to avert it.

GE.

[Bushes]

Goes both ways and same the world over. Think Anna Nicole Smith and Summers. I was with a group of young people in the US recently. One of the guys had a bitchy beautiful gold digger wife. I felt sad for the guy because she was looking at climbing into richer greener pastures. Another cute blond girl was married to a red neck who probably makes a tenth of what she makes.

A few years ago, a US politician divorced his crazy rich Asian wife and sued for Alimony.

A rich professional woman could not wait for the super rich separated husband to die so she could take over some of his property and manipulate the kids who inherited the husband's business.

When I was younger, waitresses, nannies, au pairs, shop assistants were such easy targets. The girls' mental calculator figures out where your are from and your potential net worth very rapidly. It is like in Batman, Cat woman's line to Bruce about what he does for a living. Girls ask that all the time to size up your wallet.

It is the same the world over. Don't let color or location blind you.

A lot of guys think they can go to the Philippines and meet a beautiful, loyal wife who may be much younger than them. Retired guys literally have 20 somethings throwing themselves at them. And in most cases it would be impossible to meet such a a girl in western countries; they wouldn't even give you a second glance. And in fact it is possible to find a beautiful, loyal, young wife in Ph.

But just remember: In 99% of cases the girls are poor, and their families are poor too. Which means that you, as the relatively wealthy foreigner will be the person they come to when they need help. It doesn't matter if they are a bargirl, "Normal" girl, etc. Unless they are from the Filipino elite then they are relatively poor. (And elite Pinays don't throw themselves at working class foreigners).

I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US..

[Goferring]

Be aware that you marry the entire family as well so expect continuing requests for money for the sisters college bill, mother needs an operation, father's gambling debts etc.

I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US.

I'm lost here. Why is her family's misfortune his problem?

Guys that loose $150 K only do so because they allow the out flow. Pay the "help" out of her bank account / allowance / part time job and see how long it continues.

Sorry, but I have absolutely no sympathy for these guys. The girls see a cash cow and would be crazy not to take advantage of it.

Cheers. G.

[Dg8787]

A lot of guys think they can go to the Philippines and meet a beautiful, loyal wife who may be much younger than them. Retired guys literally have 20 somethings throwing themselves at them. And in most cases it would be impossible to meet such a a girl in western countries; they wouldn't even give you a second glance. And in fact it is possible to find a beautiful, loyal, young wife in Ph.

But just remember: In 99% of cases the girls are poor, and their families are poor too. Which means that you, as the relatively wealthy foreigner will be the person they come to when they need help. It doesn't matter if they are a bargirl, "Normal" girl, etc. Unless they are from the Filipino elite then they are relatively poor. (And elite Pinays don't throw themselves at working class foreigners).

I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US.

How many of us that have been married to western women had to bail out their family members? In my case, not only was it zero, her family actually gave money to my family and for my kids education. So I was net positive.

So its not surprising the Pinay will be loyal when you are a walking ATM who will solve all the financial problems of her tribe. Just see how long she stays with you if you are broke, especially if she already got her green card or whatever.

So I'm not saying don't marry a Pinay; I'm just saying just understand what you are getting yourself into. As I said, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is.

So you were the "Pinay" in the marriage getting money and help from the wife's family!

[Pussycat123]

A lot of guys think they can go to the Philippines and meet a beautiful, loyal wife who may be much younger than them. Retired guys literally have 20 somethings throwing themselves at them. And in most cases it would be impossible to meet such a a girl in western countries; they wouldn't even give you a second glance. And in fact it is possible to find a beautiful, loyal, young wife in Ph.

But just remember: In 99% of cases the girls are poor, and their families are poor too. Which means that you, as the relatively wealthy foreigner will be the person they come to when they need help. It doesn't matter if they are a bargirl, "Normal" girl, etc. Unless they are from the Filipino elite then they are relatively poor. (And elite Pinays don't throw themselves at working class foreigners).

I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US.

How many of us that have been married to western women had to bail out their family members? In my case, not only was it zero, her family actually gave money to my family and for my kids education. So I was net positive.

So its not surprising the Pinay will be loyal when you are a walking ATM who will solve all the financial problems of her tribe. Just see how long she stays with you if you are broke, especially if she already got her green card or whatever.

So I'm not saying don't marry a Pinay; I'm just saying just understand what you are getting yourself into. As I said, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is.

[Brisman33]

Be aware that you marry the entire family as well so expect continuing requests for money for the sisters college bill, mother needs an operation, father's gambling debts etc.

Many of these girls fall pregnant young and those nieces and nephews she is so fond of might act be her own children which you will only be told about after the wedding.

The Philippine passport ranks pretty low on the visa free index so expect travelling with her to be inconvenient, you may want to take a quick break at short notice and whilst you probably won't need a visa, she probably will.

You can take the girl out of the bar / village but you can't take the bar / village out of her. My wife left the Philippines over 30 years ago but still eats with her fingers given the chance, and prefers to sit on a low stool whilst eating, rather than at the table. When we visit her hometown, she will quite happily sleep in a bamboo hut and can't wait to eat her first balut (duck egg with partially developed embryo inside).

They are more into sex than the Thai girls and want to make sure you enjoy it. I hooked up with a nymphomaniac half my age on Tinder, it was like being fucked by an animal. Plenty of raw energy but I need to refine her skills a bit.

As a westerner, you can afford to be choosy. Look at higher class and younger than you would at home. You can easily find a stunner 10 years younger than you.

Whilst they are English speaking and Christian, underneath they are Asian don't forget that.

The girls have old fashioned values and make good wives if you treat them well.

Try the "LA Cafe" in Ermita if you're in Manila. Full of freelancers and no admission charge or bar fine, you simply negotiate directly with her and leave. The average standard isn't that high so be prepared to spend a while until you find one you like. The rougher and more desperate ones are close to the front door and will grab you as soon as you enter. Better quality can be found in the back or upstairs, small charge if there is a band playing.

[Elvis 2008]

I would go as far as to say don't ever send money even if you have met a girl. If you just need to feel warm and fuzzy then ok. But in all these years I have been no worse off because I did not send money; whether it has been normal girlfriend or hooker. If a chick gets angry or does not talk to you anymore because you did not send money, then you know why she was there in the first place; and it was not for your good looks, charm, or sharp wit.

LOL. With most women, the minute a chick gets money it is hers, and she does not remember where she got it from. It is a very rare woman who can play the long game.

[Steve Nash]

I would go as far as to say don't ever send money even if you have met a girl. If you just need to feel warm and fuzzy then ok. But in all these years I have been no worse off because I did not send money; whether it has been normal girlfriend or hooker. If a chick gets angry or does not talk to you anymore because you did not send money, then you know why she was there in the first place; and it was not for your good looks, charm, or sharp wit.

I agree, don't send her money at all, that's why you got to find someone independent and hardworker with a good career if possible.

The only way I see myself sending money is if she is expecting my baby, which in that case she can not work because she is pregnant.

Only in that case I see myself sending money to her.

Of course you got to make sure you are the father of the baby, only two ways to know for sure is with a DNA test which can be done while she is pregnant or if you had spend the whole 4 - 5 weeks since her last period together and she never slept a night without you, or spend many hours without you.

Hard to do that if you plan to meet multiple girls during your trip, but if you decide to spend your whole trip with just one girl, then it can be possible if you guys go in a 1 month island hoping vacation trip. It will be impossible for her to get pregnant with someone else in a remote island while you guys are vacationing together and spending all the time together.

[BrizLad]

So before working at the bar, she supported herself and two family members..

Thanks for the thoughtful post. One girl I was dating in Ph told me about her younger years. When she was 19-20 she was commuting to Singapore where she was earning good money as a bargirl. Why did she need the money?- to get her drug-dealer mom out of jail.

That's quite motivating.

In the second year a banker bought her out of the bar and had her as a GF for the next 5 years where they travelled the word together. That relationship eventually ended and she is now happily married to a pinoy. (She is also happy meeting me on my visits.)

Mom is out and clean.

[Mr Enternational]

Most women in developing countries don't date us for charm, looks and sharp wit. Most men with those qualities not trolling around the developing countries.

That is what I thought hookers were for. If I am going to be throwing any money around then it would be towards multiple hookers while I pay as I go, not for 1 uneducated homely chick that I see maybe twice a year.

[Azmodeus Fl]

I have been married for 44 years to the woman of my dreams. Has been all wine and roses, NO! Now this is another way to meet a pinay. At the time I was in the Navy and had just gotten back to the ship after 18 months in Vietnam and seeing more senseless carnage than anyone should ever see. Ernie had just gotten back to the ship from a school in the sates. We were drinking buddies. I had taken are&are trips from Vietnam to Singapore and the Philippines and had spent many 3 or 4 days with a bar girl for nothing but sex. We got our schedule and was going to spend several week in and out of the Philippines so I told Ernie I wanted to see what the Philippines was like not just a bar trip. Ernie gave me this girl's name and address, then started playing 20 questions and I asked him who this is. Ernie tells me she is his cousin and I told him if that was all I was interested in I would stay in the bars. I wrote her letters and sent her pictures of me, but she never sent any pictures. 3 months before I met her I told Ernie I was going to marry her and his response was "Are you crazy you've never see her what if she is ugly. " I told him "she can't be". Fast forward three months I finally get enough time to go to Manila and Ernie makes sure I make it there safe. I went to the address and she is not there, but her brother is and he takes me to a neighbor hood bar for two reasons. 1 he knew I would pay for the beer. 2. And to see what My intentions were. Surprise, surprise there were working girls trying to get me in the back room. While we were drinking a little kid runs up and says she is back. Her brother and I go back to where they were staying and I'm in the setting room when she comes down the stairs and my jaw hits the floor. She was and still is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. Three months later I asked to marry me and three months later we were married. Bottom line if you Filipino friends are wanting to fix you up be open to it and see if they have a picture of that person. You may not be a lucky as me.

[Big Fun]

Occasional poster, I thought I'd provide some insight on meeting girls in the Philippines. OK that comes at the end.

My situation. I have been here for a year now in pandemic. I am 57 and I have a serious Philippines girlfriend -- two years now. I did meet her at the bar where she worked, but her situation is very similar to many bargirls, as I explain below. (I have done all the shagging many girls before, threesomes etc etc.).

She came from a poor family, and her father died. Mother and younger brother could not do anything. She has a high school diploma but that is barely enough to get a job. To be a waitress in a good restaurant requires a college education. Ridiculous, I know. But there is such a labor supply.

So before working at the bar, she supported herself and two family members. Their diet was rice + soy sauce usually. Maybe rice + blood. On the occasion that they did cook, they cooked with a charcoal fire inside their house. This is all true and there are people in her neighborhood who do the same.

Some of the girls in the neighborhood worked at the bar, and had met foreigner husbands. So she decided to try. Did she want to work at a bar. No.

For her, she made a lot of money at the bar with her perspective. And lots of tips from customers.

What does she say about working at the bar? Oh I happy that now my family can have yummy food. How do you feel when someone bar fined you? I feel very happy because I can help my family. This is very typical Filipino attitude.

She definitely liked and formed friendships with some of her customers who treated her well. Of course, lots of the time it was a bummer, but she made some cash. "Many times I did things that I don't want to do".

With working at the bar, her family got their first refrigerator, first stove, first TV. Etc etc. Without the bar, she would likely spend the rest of her life eating rice, getting impregnated by some lazy neighbor with him cheating on her when she is looking a little old. Really, Filipino girls from poor backgrounds, limited education, no money have no options. No hope no future, as we would consider it.

We've been together for 2 years. Do I support her, obviously. My one condition is that her family members try to work and don't just rely on taking handouts from me. The males in her family are construction laborers who make about 500 peso per day.

Per the comments below, I don't think it is fair to judge a girl if she hopes for support from you. Even in the West, most girls of all ages are looking for security / support from their partner. ("no money, no honey".

And to add, I know many bargirls in Makati as friends, given that I am in a relationship with their friend. I would say about half qualify as having a similar situation and hopes as my GF. If you are attracted to heavily tatted, slutty performers, then that is a different group. Again, I did fine meeting my GF at the bar. If you happen to be at the bar and want meet a more genuine one, treat the mamasan well, and ask for a younger one, and one that maybe just started. I can think of several super sexy fun girls that work at the bar, but at the bottom of their hearts they want to meet a foreigner and have a decent life. I haven't tried them out personally but they seem like they would make any man happy.

So yes, to meet loyal normal girls in the Philippines, let's remember that there are a few million to choose from. I would agree that you need to put in the time. If you want to start on the internet, SKYPE with camera every day to chat etc.

On the internet, if the girl is based in Angeles. Consider yourself lucky she is a girl. LOL.

OK where to find girls? They're everywhere! Gorgeous girls working in 711. Gorgeous girls working at supermarkets or department stores. It is incredibly easy. Many girls ask me if I have a wife just in small talk. Hmmm.

If you're really looking for someone, then don't get to sex too fast. But Filipinas are generally romantic and passionate. Won't take hardly any time. Most are pretty serious Catholic, in spirit, so don't be too dirty to start, with a normal girl. And if you want a hybrid experience, real GF and benefits from others. Not a good idea if you are serious.

So yeah, if you can afford the time and money, best to come here for 6 mos.

To each, do what you want. If you want to have 3 girls a day, you can have it. If you want a serious and loyal GF to take care of you, that can be found too.

Good luck!

JC.

The big advantage of being in country for an extended time is that you will also meet normal girls. Yes, they do exist online and in AC but the odds really are against you.

Living a normal life in country, you will bump into girls with similar interests at the store, movies, dive shop etc.

Enjoy. G.