General Reports

[Paolo99]

Elderly people should not kiss their grandchildren even if they have received a second dose of a coronavirus vaccine, an expert claimed today.

Professor Anthony Harnden, deputy chairman of the Joint Committee of Vaccines and Immunisation (JCVI), said it may not be safe to break social-distancing rules even after having two doses.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Professor Harnden was asked by a listener whether he was allowed to kiss his school-age grandchildren, with the JCVI deputy chair replying: "no".

"You need to be really careful and remember that even after the second dose of vaccine it's not necessarily 100 per cent effective," he said.

"At the moment, we still need to be cautious and obey the rules and I don't think kissing grandchildren is allowed".

Professor Harnden added that while the vaccine offers protection against severe disease, how much protection it offers overall still remains unknown.

"Well it'll offer you very good protection against severe disease and hospitalization but we don't know yet how much protection it'll offer against asymptomatic infections," he said.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vaccine-ex...110237435.html

One got to wonder what these so called vaccines are effective for except probably for changing our DNA.

[Downandup]

The French and Germans are not happy with the oxford jab so are not using them up and lie unused.

They're not 100% reliable, and guys who have had jabs of Pfizer have died. And not enough is known about mutations on jabs, no doubt LOS will become a hub of mutations eventually due to all the inbound tourists from everywhere.

Maybe the immunity hasn't built up over many months.

France, Italy and Germany decided that despite being approved in Europe that there was insufficient data for the vaccines effectiveness for the over 65's, well that's changed with studies coming out from Scotland showing that the AZ vaccine had reduced hospitalisations by 94% in general and 81% for the 80+. So now they have to backtrack and that's going to take time and this has damaged confidence in the vaccination program. Survey's from 6 months ago showed that the french were reluctant to be vaccinated no matter how effective they were proved to be.

Mutations have to be monitored to see what effect they have, some will weaken the virus and others strenghen it, it's been found time and again that some mutations will stop a virus from causing illness and many have faded away due to mutations. A small number (out of 6,000) recent covid19 mutations are worrisome as they are more infectious spread faster but cause the same level of illness not make it worse. Oxford and others have stated that they can modifiy their vaccine to counteract this and are currently lab testing this.

No vaccine is ever 100% effective, most are approved if found to have an effectiveness greater than 50% and you can see the reports that these are a lot better. There is a very clear indication here that these vaccines almost eliminate deaths in a large population, reduce the severity of illness and reduce the transmission.

[HorseTrader]

There is a study in Israel and two more from the UK that are currently undergoing peer review and all show that the vaccines do reduce transmission.

That's the best news possible!

Even if Thailand immediately allowed vaccinated tourists to return without restrictions, it will take time before the network of hotels, restaurants, tours, transportation and other tourism support can be revived. Then there is time required for the tourists to get vaccinated. Not to mention that most of us won't want to return until many of our favorite venues are full of girls and lively.

[Berrys66]

There is a study in Israel and two more from the UK that are currently undergoing peer review and all show that the vaccines do reduce transmission.

Elderly people should not kiss their grandchildren even if they have received a second dose of a coronavirus vaccine, an expert claimed today.

Professor Anthony Harnden, deputy chairman of the Joint Committee of Vaccines and Immunisation (JCVI), said it may not be safe to break social-distancing rules even after having two doses.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Professor Harnden was asked by a listener whether he was allowed to kiss his school-age grandchildren, with the JCVI deputy chair replying: "no".

"You need to be really careful and remember that even after the second dose of vaccine it's not necessarily 100 per cent effective," he said.

"At the moment, we still need to be cautious and obey the rules and I don't think kissing grandchildren is allowed".

Professor Harnden added that while the vaccine offers protection against severe disease, how much protection it offers overall still remains unknown.

"Well it'll offer you very good protection against severe disease and hospitalization but we don't know yet how much protection it'll offer against asymptomatic infections," he said.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vaccine-ex...110237435.html

[Berrys66]

Shifting millions of tourists maybe hard with large numbers of long haul out of service and ready to be scrapped in the breakers yards in Arizona. Airlines would need some full planes especially with 1st class and business class for big profits as low class shows little to no profits to hire more staff again.

[Berrys66]

There is a study in Israel and two more from the UK that are currently undergoing peer review and all show that the vaccines do reduce transmission.

The French and Germans are not happy with the oxford jab so are not using them up and lie unused.

They're not 100% reliable, and guys who have had jabs of Pfizer have died. And not enough is known about mutations on jabs, no doubt LOS will become a hub of mutations eventually due to all the inbound tourists from everywhere.

Maybe the immunity hasn't built up over many months.

[Downandup]

This would not surprise me. Despite recent chit chat in these forums that the vaccine will not stop spread of COVID 19, there is non-peer reviewed data to the contrary. That data is based on the Pfizer vaccine and positive experience in Israel. Several days ago I posted a link in this forum.

If that data becomes sufficiently peer reviewed, I would see no reason that Thailand would continue the quarantine requirements for appropriately vaccinated tourists. My guess is such data would need to be reviewed for each of the vaccines as not all use the same technology as the Pfizer.

There is a study in Israel and two more from the UK that are currently undergoing peer review and all show that the vaccines do reduce transmission.

[TalkYes]

This is a good point that I've also noticed with these Freddie's. Do they pay the tailors in Thailand more money because it's costs more to get tailor made suits in their countries? Do they pay cab drivers more money for trips because it costs more in the US. Do they pay the street vendors more money because food costs more in the UK? Do they pay the cleaner or the laundry person more money because it costs more money in France? No, but they are hell bent on paying sex workers more money because it costs more in AUS.

Their whole argument is so contradictory. First they travel half way across the world for sex because it's cheaper. Then when they get there they say hey it's more expensive where I just came from so let me pay more. Why don't you just stay where you are and save yourself the expense and hassle of travelling?

If you look at costs of living comparisons from one country to another, there is pretty wide variance from one thing to another. It's never going to be a perfect science.

But even if you're not saving money proportionate to what you would be with the rest of cost of living expenses, you're still saving money, especially if you make your stay long enough. It more than pays for the flight, not to mention the money you save on the rest of the cost of living expenses like food. And you're also getting a vacation out of it, even if you're just there for the sex, you're getting more than that.

But even all those things aside, take money out of the equation, and you're still comparing apples to oranges when you compare sex work in your home country, moudly apples to Valencia oranges for most of us at that. I live in Canada where options are significantly better than most parts of the states and it still doesn't hold a candle to places like Thailand or Brazil or a dozen other countries I could name. The novelty of just having more options and experiencing the liberated ways they're presented is night and day compared to how it's done here. So yeah saving money is nice but it's far from the only thing.

[TConor]

This would not surprise me. Despite recent chit chat in these forums that the vaccine will not stop spread of COVID 19, there is non-peer reviewed data to the contrary. That data is based on the Pfizer vaccine and positive experience in Israel. Several days ago I posted a link in this forum.

If that data becomes sufficiently peer reviewed, I would see no reason that Thailand would continue the quarantine requirements for appropriately vaccinated tourists. My guess is such data would need to be reviewed for each of the vaccines as not all use the same technology as the Pfizer.

And we'd need herd immunity or approaching it before these clowns would get this implemented.

[HorseTrader]

A new report in Bangkok Post suggests the quarantine may be waived for vaccinated travelers. https://www.bangkokpost.com/business...nated-tourists.

Of course this is pure newspaper speculation and I would be as surprised as anyone if it actually happens before a significant proportion of the Thai population is inoculated, but at least the Govt is thinking about it so maybe something will happen as the rate of new Corona infection slows down in the vaccinated countries.

This would not surprise me. Despite recent chit chat in these forums that the vaccine will not stop spread of COVID 19, there is non-peer reviewed data to the contrary. That data is based on the Pfizer vaccine and positive experience in Israel. Several days ago I posted a link in this forum.

If that data becomes sufficiently peer reviewed, I would see no reason that Thailand would continue the quarantine requirements for appropriately vaccinated tourists. My guess is such data would need to be reviewed for each of the vaccines as not all use the same technology as the Pfizer.

[DazeUp]

There is no formula from the car maker. There is a price difference due to taxes. Are you going to the USA and offer just below the price that the car will cost you in Thailand? After you will be saving money because in Thailand it is way more expensive.

This is a good point that I've also noticed with these Freddie's. Do they pay the tailors in Thailand more money because it's costs more to get tailor made suits in their countries? Do they pay cab drivers more money for trips because it costs more in the US. Do they pay the street vendors more money because food costs more in the UK? Do they pay the cleaner or the laundry person more money because it costs more money in France? No, but they are hell bent on paying sex workers more money because it costs more in AUS.

Their whole argument is so contradictory. First they travel half way across the world for sex because it's cheaper. Then when they get there they say hey it's more expensive where I just came from so let me pay more. Why don't you just stay where you are and save yourself the expense and hassle of travelling?

[Mr Enternational]

Your car argument is not really a great comparison to sex work because these car manufacturers clearly have a formula for how to optimize their sales globally.

There is no formula from the car maker. There is a price difference due to taxes. Are you going to the USA and offer just below the price that the car will cost you in Thailand? Afterall, you will be saving money because in Thailand it is way more expensive.

[Member #4698]

A new report in Bangkok Post suggests the quarantine may be waived for vaccinated travelers. https://www.bangkokpost.com/business...nated-tourists.

Of course this is pure newspaper speculation and I would be as surprised as anyone if it actually happens before a significant proportion of the Thai population is inoculated, but at least the Govt is thinking about it so maybe something will happen as the rate of new Corona infection slows down in the vaccinated countries.

[Franciscass]

From reading another website today the online system is down, it was reported also particularly at the Jomtien office 90 day reporting was a mess due to some computer breakdown?

Thanks for that. Checking further it seems they didn't renew their security certificate which expired on 21st. Got to love how it works here or doesn't. Day to day admin of immigration policy really needs be given to a private outfit. Thailand 4.0. Will be interesting. Just need to remember to top up those expired certs.

[TalkYes]

Rich people have many avenues for pleasure. The only pleasure for poor people is sex. Besides poor people have less knowledge of and access to birth control. Furthermore, a baby means an additional farm hand in 10 years.

I agree with most of what you said and I don't think it contradicts what I was saying. I wasn't trying to disparage poor people for making babies, just trying to tie it into the bigger picture of why sex work is cheaper in poorer countries. The one thing I would disagree with, or at least challenge, is the notion that birth control is for the rich. Condoms are cheap, and given out for free in many countries. And despite what we all learned in sex-ed, the pull-out method works pretty well. I'm just saying it's a more complicated problem than birth control costing money.