Kyiv

[Ringudor]

I just finished transferring 4500 uah to my regular (two times visit), who got sacked from job and needed to pay rent. Her request seemed genuine to me, it is the first time I help her like this. Is she becoming a SB by some definition?

You never know, but I guess she made the same "genuine" request to other 30 guys.

Is so common there, some freeby girls I met in badoo did the same request to me, but I never trusted.

[Junior77]

Thanks for the enlightenment.

And this thread uses this term, SB, for a special kind of relationship between a local girl and a visiting lover? With some regular payments and gifts.

Or is it more a definition of the character or the looks of the girl?

I must say that I find it extremely unlikely that a girl will be exclusive companion for a tourist like me, even if I try to spend 5-10 weeks in Kyiv every year. My experience also teaches me this. The remaining 40 or more weeks this girl almost certainly will find it irreistable to use her resources economically and try to make her lifestyle more luxurious by meeting other men in the absence of me.

And if she is not supposed to be exclusive, it must be a lot less expensive for me to pay a regular girl on an hourly or daily basis when I am in Kyiv.

Maybe you guys can better explain this to me. I just finished transferring 4500 uah to my regular (two times visit), who got sacked from job and needed to pay rent. Her request seemed genuine to me, it is the first time I help her like this. Is she becoming a SB by some definition?

I personally don't send any money to any girl even if I fucked her sever times in Kiev as I always paid her in a way or in another. I don't know what is your relationship with this girl but many of my friends during last year had received requests for economical help, which they refused at once and I would do the same.

Ukrainian girls are famous to be hungry for money and make up excuses (and cocks, of course), being said that anyone is free to do what they want with their money, is just my humble opinion.

[VinDici]

Did something happen in Kiev with the apartments / salons last night? Seems like all my saved Telegram channels are inactive today, usually they will be online and answer 24/7.

[Desin]

Looking for girls online beforehand is starting to feel like second job.

So.

Would it be possible for those who know apartments (salons) where English is spoken and the girls are good enough ("pretty girl-next-door" should be acceptable indicator for almost everyone?) that they'd tell them here? And then it would just be work on the ground to find one's way to there.

[Guntherus]

Thanks for the enlightenment.

And this thread uses this term, SB, for a special kind of relationship between a local girl and a visiting lover? With some regular payments and gifts.

Or is it more a definition of the character or the looks of the girl?

I must say that I find it extremely unlikely that a girl will be exclusive companion for a tourist like me, even if I try to spend 5-10 weeks in Kyiv every year. My experience also teaches me this. The remaining 40 or more weeks this girl almost certainly will find it irreistable to use her resources economically and try to make her lifestyle more luxurious by meeting other men in the absence of me.

And if she is not supposed to be exclusive, it must be a lot less expensive for me to pay a regular girl on an hourly or daily basis when I am in Kyiv.

Maybe you guys can better explain this to me. I just finished transferring 4500 uah to my regular (two times visit), who got sacked from job and needed to pay rent. Her request seemed genuine to me, it is the first time I help her like this. Is she becoming a SB by some definition?

[Ringudor]

What is SB?

Sugar Baby.

[Riina]

What is SB?

Sugar baby.

[Guntherus]

...In terms of real SBs ....

What is SB?

[Kgalt]

It's well beyond girls asking for money. SA Ukraine is a platform for scam enterprise. You literally have office space devoted to fleecing foreigners.

This is probably true unless your location is set to Kiev. I've had a couple of scammers I reported but honestly not too bad. They are generally ignoring me and I assume fishing for guys outside of Ukraine.

In terms of real SBs actually in Kiev, I met 2 and have 1-2 more on WhatsApp that seem genuine. One seems to be an escort who asked for $300 and would only go to a hotel, not an apartment (didn't meet her).

[DramaFree11]

It's well beyond girls asking for money. SA Ukraine is a platform for scam enterprise. You literally have office space devoted to fleecing foreigners.

Yep, so true. Unbelievable how some guys claim scams are not an issue in Ukraine. It is real bad, newbies need to be very careful. There are scams everywhere. Restaurant, Stores and bars, so sad.

[Riina]

It is true but kgalt bro suggested a work around in a post below. Too many Ukrainian girls ask for money transfer on seeking. Has anyone else experienced this?

It's well beyond girls asking for money. SA Ukraine is a platform for scam enterprise. You literally have office space devoted to fleecing foreigners.

[SfoCowboy]

Good for the mongers as many of these girls look to find a sponsor from Dubai etc. If they are in real need of money they have to hook up with someone already in Ukraine and that ain't going to happen with exorbitant allowances.

Yes, it still works if you have your home set as Kiev. However, there is a drastic reduction of activity there with no new girls joined in about 2 weeks when it is normally 1-3 every day. Some girls are still logging on but very few. I assume not many men there now. It might be a tragedy. It might be an opportunity. I don't currently have a membership.

[YummyPL]

It is true but kgalt bro suggested a work around in a post below. Too many Ukrainian girls ask for money transfer on seeking. Has anyone else experienced this?

Yes, it still works if you have your home set as Kiev. However, there is a drastic reduction of activity there with no new girls joined in about 2 weeks when it is normally 1-3 every day. Some girls are still logging on but very few. I assume not many men there now. It might be a tragedy. It might be an opportunity. I don't currently have a membership.

[SfoCowboy]

It is true but kgalt bro suggested a work around in a post below. Too many Ukrainian girls ask for money transfer on seeking. Has anyone else experienced this?

Are you serious or is this a joke? Too funny.

[PhotoSlider]

I also ended up fucking one of the massage girls. Basically by treating her really nicely, sharing a bottle of wine first, giving her a little massage. Just romancing her a bit. She really responded to it and when we moved from couch to bed the massage went out the window and I got a blowjob and sex. This was the 2nd time I saw her. Maybe the approach will help anyone else who is prepared to put in the effort.

Now that I think about it, since 2013 I have sourced 4 girls through massage resulting in very good sex with all of them. Didn't realize it was that many.

One was too busy herself, but gave me a phone number of her close friend, and it became a long friendship, 6+ years now. When her friend telephoned her from that massage place, she asked to do what? And the friend answered:

- Accompany him at the theater, but don't you do anything of your usual, he is nice.

We didn't discuss money or even going to my place, it just naturally progressed. Spent 6 hours together, after sex I asked how much, and she was very shy asking for an equivalent of 100 dollars in UAH. That was 2014.20 years old, very tender and passionate. Long legs, size 3 breast, lovely body, beautiful lingerie. We are close friends now. She comes over when I am in Kiev, always calls first asking:

- Are you done with your Lolitas?

With two of the girls I received the massage on their premises first, and right away invited for an outcall massage at my place later in the day or next day, both were eager to get out and went for sex to my sincere surprise. The one in 2013 reached for BBBJ, and at the time I had certain reservations. That's when she exclaimed impatiently:

- Why you don't allow me!

She stayed overnight. We kept the contact ever since.

The other one in 2015 was actually administrator at that massage place, and pretended she never does sex with customers: why did I go for it! And then kiss in the street while my driver was awaiting to take me to the airport. Met her again many times.

And with the last one in 2019, I on purpose didn't press the issue because at the time I had a regular staying at my AirBnB. Then on our fourth or fifth date she took the initiative by saying: "I feel you want to invite me over, but are shy," and then, right after she seduced me, both of us laying in bed, catching a breath, she looks around my bedroom, and asks in a melancholic manner:

- Why you don't have a woman?

I almost fell off the bed laughing:

- I thought you and I are meeting.

Anyway, all 4 were excellent. Definitely much better than hourly call girls from agencies. Yes, masseuses see lots of dicks at the parlors. But they do not get sex, and even getting away from the office is an adventure for them. Treating them with respect is the key.