Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[PaulInZurich]

I have no idea how this reply has anything to do with a post that expounds the confidence of evidence, evidence-based decision making, and the molecular inner-workings of *mRNA* vaccines while also heavily criticizing the influence of saboteurs who would rather see the world burn than see the better players of the game be happy.

These stream of consciousness posts jumping through 6 different themes in one long winded sentence without using any punctuation whatsoever are amazing. Maybe they are subtle nods to Ulysses by James Joyce and I am not intellectually sophisticated enough to appreciate them.

[Mursenary]

I remember a report few months ago in US, showing some crazy threatening those who asked to put on mask, crazy coughing on them. I didn't see same report about any other country, even UK kept on travelling on end of last year, beginning of this year, spreading their mutant which kill now continental Europe, when also lack of vaccine. Wish of course for enough vaccine to protect those who need or want, for a better, more free life, even vaccine won t cure falling economy. Not sure Germans are in hurry to see risky playfield brothels reopening, attracting guys from all over the world, bringing their diseases, and husbands bringing back at home to German families, when brothels are not much for money and employment for Germans and economy, but rather foreigners working with most money leaving Germany, but can be big risk for Germany safety, when in trouble now since months.

I have no idea how this reply has anything to do with a post that expounds the confidence of evidence, evidence-based decision making, and the molecular inner-workings of *mRNA* vaccines while also heavily criticizing the influence of saboteurs who would rather see the world burn than see the better players of the game be happy.

But you probably incorrectly thought that this post had anything to do with your views. No, not when that person's science knowledge is based on findings from the 1980's, back when learning the periodic table was the ultimate crowning achievement in science education.

[Pistons]

These T-cells works much like AIDS (human immunodeficiency virus): another virus cocked up in a lab back in the 1960's. So the incubation time can be as long as 15 years:

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss19.../section9.html

[Pistons]

Well, a virus mutates every single time it copies itself. The thing with this UK version is that there were several mutations all at once. Same thing in SA and Manaus versions. All cocked up in gain-of-function labs. As these large scale perfect placement hikes in mutations only corresponds with petri dish involvements. And that was needed since the first Wuhan version was too weak in spreading.

The thing these vaccines do are essentially the same thing the MMR vaccines have done since the 1960's when the secret world order started plotting on massive population reduction.

Just like with the MMR vaccine, this new covid vaccine creates T-cells that attaches to our white blood cells, forming blood clots. So just beyond the clots, small and large, our immune system then becomes out of function for a stretch. Making us susceptible to all sorts of diseases, and letting us suffer from all the viruses we already have in our bodies. All linked to the blood clotting.

The MMR vaccines worked fine (if you are a satanist). It messed up much of the population. But now this new covid vaccine. Especially the AZ version, (And I suspect the J&J won't be any better) will take it one step further. This is what we mean by auto-immune diseases. It is basically linked to our own immune system fucking up our white blood cells. Through vaccine programmed T-cells aimed at our own white blood cells. White blood cells are in turn key to stopping any infections we get. So like I already wrote here before, these vaccines are aimed at reducing our immune system. And our so called 'medical professionals' here are either lying sons of batches, or clueless kindergardeners.

Jolly fun in the times of 5 G radiation, large radiating tv, tablet and computer monitors, and 300+ toxins cooking up our every day lives through food, air, water and stuff we buy. In other words, days when a good immune system might just come in handy. Ever had a rash? Well, there will be lots more in the comming years after these vaccines starts rolling, due to veins in the skin being some of the thinnest we have, and our skin being a first defence especially against different radiation and air poisonings. And most effects will come some time afterwards, and perhaps not with the initial vaccine reaction. But maybe up to 10 years later since that is how long it takes for diseases to completely take over. And these vaccines are for all intents and purposes nothing but a programmed disease.

[Sirioja]

Norwegian, swizz and some German doctors disagree with the comfortable notion put forth by the Astra Zeneca and other vaccine companies. And some goes as far as to indicate that lobbying and malinformation from the vaccine companies are very harmful. Even the US center for disease control now wants to make their own studies because they do not trust fully in the vaccine companies.

In other words, don't be a sheep. Your idea that education itself makes you a free thinking human being wrong. It makes you into a little puppy, with an apple strapped into your mouth, tied up handcuffed by a gay middle aged male fat guy holding a whip.

Yes, many French and German medicals don't trust AZ, Yes big business for pharma, but when Western EU is really bad under UK mutant with peak on March / April, really need to protect our citizens, when too many deaths, too many unemployment, with many who just would like to work but not allowed, even French government pay 84% for average salary, but less when you make more money. Spain which can't afford anymore about their economy, take risk to live with virus, let's see for result, even heat there should help them, I wish them.

[Pistons]

The article I posted regarding leader-subordinate trust goes to show that sheep slave piggies will never gets to run anything. Because their sheep mindset does not impose trust from a leaders point of view.

[Pistons]

By the way, they also have 100% free universal health care. So income has zip zero to with it. That is just one more American urban myth. Which so-called 'educated' health care wannabies still believe in.

[Pistons]

Norwegian, swizz and some German doctors disagree with the comfortable notion put forth by the Astra Zeneca and other vaccine companies. And some goes as far as to indicate that lobbying and malinformation from the vaccine companies are very harmful. Even the US center for disease control now wants to make their own studies because they do not trust fully in the vaccine companies.

In other words, don't be a sheep. Your idea that education itself makes you a free thinking human being wrong. It makes you into a little puppy, with an apple strapped into your mouth, tied up handcuffed by a gay middle aged male fat guy holding a whip.

[Sirioja]

Are vaccines the only solution? Not theoretically. But humans have demonstrated that we have internal factions that self-sabotage the species. We can't even be bothered to wear a thin mask to protect others from our respiratory droplets. Sabotaged by politics, misinformation, uneducated superstition, conspiracy theories, and lack of discipline, we failed to execute the less invasive route: a thin, simple little face diaper with some crowd control. So here we are, one year later and the virus still has a strong hold in Europe and Latin America. Again, are vaccines the only solution? At this point, most likely, but they didn't have to be.

As for being modest or humble, you are right; no one can "know" until it's run it's course. But we can make evidence-based decisions using the science we do know in combination with controlled observations such as clinical trials. The clinical trials were robust, involving as many participants as most other pharmaceuticals. Each participant was followed for the same amount of time as any other pharmaceutical, we were just able to enroll all participants at one time rather than the staggered enrollment that would normally take years. Most medications ever approved have been done using months of clinical trial information rather than years.

Again, we cannot "know" everything, but can make decisions based on reason and solid data. As when you are driving, you cannot "know" that another car will stop at the stop sign and not crash into to you. But you can integrate your knowledge of laws and current data such as the acceleration / deceleration of the vehicle and determine if the situation is safe. You do this knowing that there is a chance you are wrong. Perhaps the other driver is drunk, texting, or just a psychopath. But based on your human ability to reason, you make the most well-informed decision you can.

I remember a report few months ago in US, showing some crazy threatening those who asked to put on mask, crazy coughing on them. I didn't see same report about any other country, even UK kept on travelling on end of last year, beginning of this year, spreading their mutant which kill now continental Europe, when also lack of vaccine. Wish of course for enough vaccine to protect those who need or want, for a better, more free life, even vaccine won t cure falling economy. Not sure Germans are in hurry to see risky playfield brothels reopening, attracting guys from all over the world, bringing their diseases, and husbands bringing back at home to German families, when brothels are not much for money and employment for Germans and economy, but rather foreigners working with most money leaving Germany, but can be big risk for Germany safety, when in trouble now since months.

[BigBuddy69]

And nobody knows the long term consequences of the covid but from what I see, it doesn't look too good for a significant share of the infected.

[Mursenary]

Waiting, nobody knows today the efficiency of the vaccines and the possible side effects. You seem to believe that vaccines are the only solution may be may be not, let us be a little bit modest, we have to wait how the things will evaluate in Israel in the coming months, it is too early.

Are vaccines the only solution? Not theoretically. But humans have demonstrated that we have internal factions that self-sabotage the species. We can't even be bothered to wear a thin mask to protect others from our respiratory droplets. Sabotaged by politics, misinformation, uneducated superstition, conspiracy theories, and lack of discipline, we failed to execute the less invasive route: a thin, simple little face diaper with some crowd control. So here we are, one year later and the virus still has a strong hold in Europe and Latin America. Again, are vaccines the only solution? At this point, most likely, but they didn't have to be.

As for being modest or humble, you are right; no one can "know" until it's run it's course. But we can make evidence-based decisions using the science we do know in combination with controlled observations such as clinical trials. The clinical trials were robust, involving as many participants as most other pharmaceuticals. Each participant was followed for the same amount of time as any other pharmaceutical, we were just able to enroll all participants at one time rather than the staggered enrollment that would normally take years. Most medications ever approved have been done using months of clinical trial information rather than years.

Again, we cannot "know" everything, but can make decisions based on reason and solid data. As when you are driving, you cannot "know" that another car will stop at the stop sign and not crash into to you. But you can integrate your knowledge of laws and current data such as the acceleration / deceleration of the vehicle and determine if the situation is safe. You do this knowing that there is a chance you are wrong. Perhaps the other driver is drunk, texting, or just a psychopath. But based on your human ability to reason, you make the most well-informed decision you can.

The same applies here. We know that mRNA vaccines are just strings of relatively inert (genetic) nucleotides encased in a relatively inert lipid (fat) particle. Other components include various salts and sugars to promote mRNA stability. There are no metals such as aluminum or mercury to act as preservatives. There is not even a protein component which would normally be the most immunologically active macromolecule. Instead, the lipid protects the genetic strand while also facilitating mRNA entry into the cell. MRNA never even enters the nucleus, offering no way for it to directly alter your DNA. In fact, mRNA cannot alter DNA even if it did reach the nucleus of the cell.

Instead, the short mRNA sequence encodes a very specific part of a specific protein similar to a viral protein. And it must rely on your own cells' machinery to be read and for a protein to be constructed. There's a reason why Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines saw so few stumbling blocks compared to AZ and JnJ. It's beauty is in its simplicity.

So while you are right that we cannot "know" 100% until it is done. But those who are educated on the subject and who do not serve a bias agenda feel very comfortable with the evidence. There's a reason why even in the healthcare field there are people who may be timid with the vaccines. Those people are almost always moderately educated providers such as nurses or therapists. However, I hardly ever hear physicians, pharmacists, research clinicians, or other advance practice providers express troubling concern. When you understand the evidence, you are confident in your position.

Perhaps people here can try that. Instead of taking hard positions on topics in which you may only have a basic / rudimentary understanding, try actually learning the topic thoroughly in order to construct a well educated position for yourself. If not willing to do that, perhaps defer to the people who have done the hard work instead of making assertions based on incomplete or superficial comprehension of a subject matter. Worst are the ones who make absurd statements for political reasons or to only feed their twisted ego.

[Sirioja]

So you heroically risk your life for a year when you go to work, but there is no risk when you go to a brothel?

Got it.

Did Marc Madiot call you yet?

French government ask for work from home. I could manage before, but not anymore since 1 year, needing to go daily on the field to check safety, despite risks, to save my business, when one here with carbon bicycle has no risk, being paid by French government whatever he works or not. If I don't work, I don't have money to eat, of course I could also wait to be paid by French government, but I would lose too much money. Let me know if you want we try a climbing together. I should start on end of June when tops are open, until end of October, beginning of November, depending on snow falls. I loved so much my last kilometer on snow to Agnel 2744 on end of last October.

[BigBuddy69]

So you heroically risk your life for a year when you go to work, but there is no risk when you go to a brothel?
Got it.
Did Marc Madiot call you yet?

There is a risk for the other drivers.

Why should Marc Madiot call?

Does he need a midget mascot for the team?

[Mursenary]

I would be interested to see the figures for other countries, ranging from those that had fewer cases (Vietnam, Taiwan, Australia, NZ, Finland, Norway) to those that had their healthcare systems stretched (Italy, UK, USA). Due to global supply chains being disrupted, there is probably higher excess mortality in poorer countries.

For totals:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...deaths-tracker

For trends:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/e...ores?tab=table

Data is often not reliable for developing nations if there's even any data at all. In several Western nations and developed East nations, covid deaths exceeds excess deaths, meaning less non-covid deaths compared to previous years. In several countries such as Australia and NZ, overall deaths are lower than pre-covid.

[Rocky V]

Good, we need people to take a shot to the head. For the team. Because otherwise the planet will die. As is written in Agenda 2030.

I will ask to get the shot in my upper arm as everybody else, but if you want to get it in the head, who am I to judge? Be my guest LOL.