American Politics

[Canada]

QUOTE=Run MannAnd this means that every other black person pulled over by the police and were shot or killed or treaty unfairly / unjustly or illegally targeted were wrong because it did not happen to you? What if in those cases the citizens are stating that they were not wrong, should they not call out the police if they believe the police were wrong? What if they conducted themselves the same way you did but the police that pulled them over was having a bad day, a bigot or simply a prick? Your life experiences are your own, it is anecdotal and to imply that because something did not happen to you people of your race are somehow responsible for the outcome in police interaction is spurious logic. I have never been scammed in my life, but I won't dismiss other people's claim of being scammed because it hasn't happened to me. I have never been sexually harassed in the workplace but will not dismiss another man's claim that he was because it did not happen to me. Even the police chiefs and police departments around the country are now acknowledging that their police department needs retraining as it relates to their interaction with the public. It is not a one-way street, and the police are not to be blamed in all these cases, but neither are the citizen. There are countless cases of police officers being terminated for cause and cities paying huge sums to citizens and in some cases their survivors because of the way the citizens were illegally / unfairly and unjustly treated by the police.

Common sense says he wasn't shot because he wasn't a criminal and didn't resist arrest or pull a gun or knife. It does not matter if you are black or white or purple. If you are a criminal which all the blacks were that were shot by police last year and you resist arrest you probably will be tasered or shot. I agree some cops are more aggressive but most police risk their lives for you every day. They have a split second to make a decision when a criminal resists arrest or pulls a gun or knife. The democratic cities that have started defunding their police have seen a 50-177% increase in crime and murders. Do you want to live in a city like that? Do you want your kids and grandkids living in a city of crime? Really??

[Chris P]

If the situation was reversed and say Asians were the majority and held most of the high paying position and were given the same majority of the opportunities as whites are today you would hear the same systemic racism argument from whites which would be right.

UCLA's student enrollment is 50% Asian, despite Asians making up only a tiny fraction of the population of LA and California. 75% of players in the NBA are black, despite making up only 12% of the population of the USA.

Both of these institutions are very high-profile and positions in them are highly sought-after by people of all races. It must therefore be systemic racism against white people which keeps them underrepresented in both UCLA and the NBA. Fortunately, mobs of white people have not burned down cities in protest at this injustice.

[Chris P]

I am not affiliated with any political party. I vote for the candidate that will represent my interest of the day the best. That being said, being a Black man, liberal outlets keep telling me I am going to get killed by the police and all this stuff about there being systemic racism. I don't remember Fox stimulating any of this fear.

I tend to live by my experience and I have experienced this very big world to the tune of over 100 countries. Maybe shit like this is effective on someone that never lives outside of their 3 block neighborhood, but I know better. From nursery school to the Navy I have been around people of all races and my Black parents never talked to me about race. People were just people. Only in undergraduate was I around only Black people because I went to a historically Black college. Never had a sense or thought that a person among my group was getting an opportunity that I did not because they were White or I was not getting an opportunity because I was Black.

I am 49 years old and I have carried a gun since I was 21. At this point I own enough to carry a different one everyday of the month. Back when I first got my license my state was an open carry state, meaning the weapon had to be visible. I went into Bank of America one morning and waited in line with with my weapon exposed. Somebody tripped the alarm. Of course 30 policemen rushed in and asking no questions filled me with lead.

NOT! A lone WHITE policeman came inside and whispered to me to follow him outside and do not touch anything. We got outside to his car and I showed him my license. He said that the law says that you have to have it out in the open, but just cover it up anyway so people will not get scared.

I have not even been pulled over by a policeman in the last 20 years and the license plate on my car makes it known that I am Black. The two times before that when I was arrested (unpaid tickets), I did not argue and I did not resist. I knew I was in the wrong and did not try to fight the case in the street. I just got the handcuffs on me and got in the car and went to jail. I called someone to get me out. You know, like kind of how the system is designed to work. Simple!

Post of the year.

[Run Mann]

I have not even been pulled over by a policeman in the last 20 years and the license plate on my car makes it known that I am Black. The two times before that when I was arrested (unpaid tickets), I did not argue and I did not resist. I knew I was in the wrong and did not try to fight the case in the street. I just got the handcuffs on me and got in the car and went to jail. I called someone to get me out. You know, like kind of how the system is designed to work. Simple!.

And this means that every other black person pulled over by the police and were shot or killed or treaty unfairly/unjustly or illegally targeted were wrong because it did not happen to you? What if in those cases the citizens are stating that they were not wrong, should they not call out the police if they believe the police were wrong? What if they conducted themselves the same way you did but the police that pulled them over was having a bad day, a bigot or simply a prick? Your life experiences are your own, it is anecdotal and to imply that because something did not happen to you people of your race are somehow responsible for the outcome in police interaction is spurious logic. I have never been scammed in my life, but I won't dismiss other people's claim of being scammed because it hasn't happened to me. I have never been sexually harassed in the workplace but will not dismiss another man's claim that he was because it did not happen to me. Even the police chiefs and police departments around the country are now acknowledging that their police department needs retraining as it relates to their interaction with the public. It is not a one-way street, and the police are not to be blamed in all these cases, but neither are the citizen. There are countless cases of police officers being terminated for cause and cities paying huge sums to citizens and in some cases their survivors because of the way the citizens were illegally/unfairly and unjustly treated by the police.

And about this systemic racism shit. First question is what did you do to make yourself qualified for whatever you were trying to do? Folks claim this racism only using one set of data. 10 people over here are White, and nobody is Black. They never even make mention that maybe no Black people were even interested in the position, or that over the last 10 years half the people applying have been Black but none of those that were QUALIFIED were accepted. We are led to believe that because there were no Blacks, no women, no gays, no whatever, something is wrong with the system. Makes a big difference how you make your mind up depending on the data that is available to you. That is why they need to quit letting the public decide a case by seeing a short video clip and go back to the old system where a jury that has been presented ALL the evidence deliberates on the case and comes up with a decision..

You used the straw man argument that maybe no blacks, gay, or women were interested in or qualified for the positions. You cited no examples of this, you are simply making a supposition to make a point and improperly applying it to society, it is ridiculous in every sense of the word to believe that in an integrated and educated society there would be widespread occurrence of this ever occurring in any field. Unless someone is applying to be the head server for a pack of lions and hyenas in the Serengeti at feeding time or the clean-up cuckold in some cheap porn, hiring data tells us that more than one group of people would be interested in or qualified for most positions fields anywhere.

Heed your own advice and get off CNN, FOX or any other alleged news outlet and research for yourself. White males are over-represented in most high paying, white collar, executive, senior government position, the military, the courts, law makers, attorneys or most other high paying similar fields. The data from several verifiable sources shows this to be true. 30 to 35 percent of the population in the USA are white males but White males are overrepresented in most fields/occupations. In some fields, white males make up 70 percent and more in certain leadership/executive positions. Charles Brown is the first general to lead one of the military services as the chief of staff, (General officer in charge of the Air Force). The U.S Army has never had a black, Hispanic or woman Chief of Staff. Could it be that using your supposition that the only qualified people were white males or that no one else had any interest in that position?

Lloyd Austin is the first Black Secretary of Defense of the USA. Do you think that there has never been any other minority qualified for or interested in that position until now? Austin did a "60 minutes" interview recently where he addressed racism and it effects. He was asked about the absence of black generals on the Joint Chiefs staff, he promised that under his watch, he would address that issue as he would be the one making the recommendation for staffing to the president. See how he answered that question. Take a look at it and get another perspective, you may be surprised. Because Austin made it to that position does not negate the fact that systemic racism exists, on the contrary, it shows us that it does because of the amount of time it took for a qualified and interested minority to attain that position.

Your example of "how a person made it if systemic racism exists" is off the charts illogical. That person made it despite systemic racism, but what the numbers demonstrate is that in a society where a group of people who comprises 12 to 15 percent of the population; they should be represented more than the 1 to 2 percent they are in many management/senior/white collar/executive positions. Look at the Federal judges today and you will see they are mostly white males; would you conclude that the reasoning for this is that they are the most qualified or they are in a select network and a select group of people selects them for those position?

Not one Asian and only two blacks have ever served on the Supreme Court. Is it that because the only qualified people are the ones who are on the court or the ones who served? Why have no blacks, Asians or Hispanic ever served as FBI Director? Is it because only white males are desirous of that job or only white males were always the best qualified? Look at the make-up of jobs on Wall Street or corporate America, the people in the media, especially on TV. Why are minority representation so low? The evidence shows that it is not from a lack of qualifcation and interest but a lack of opportunity. For the first time in its history, a woman will lead U.S Citizenship and Immigration services. Is it because she is the first qualified woman? There are so many more examples. The point is that is that no reasonable person would conclude that on a widespread basis the absent of minorities in positions/fields is a result of their lack of qualification or lack of interest or that the other person was always more qualified than they were. Their non-selection is in many instances are attributed to the people with the power to make such selection not selecting them despite their superior qualifications and interest.

A recent study showed that there are only 4 black CEOs of fortune 500 companies, lack of interest or are they not qualified for those positions? Systemic racism exists whether you see it or not and not and your personal experience are not representative of society at large. The data and the numbers are much more representative than your individual situation because those numbers are inclusive of everyone, ergo it becomes empirical data while your situation is about you, remember the YMMV abbreviation? Every occurrence is not because of racism, sometimes the minority candidate is not the right fit or is not qualified. Which is why it starts with education and opportunity for the people who want it so that the proverbial playing field can be leveled. However, to summarily dismiss systemic racism because it has not happened to you or a couple of minority made it shows how out of your depth you are on this topic. If the situation was reversed and say Asians were the majority and held most of the high paying position and were given the same majority of the opportunities as whites are today you would hear the same systemic racism argument from whites which would be right.

[Beijing4987]

Wikipedia: "Foreign aid is given by the United States to other countries to support global peace, security and developmental efforts, and humanitarian relief during times of crisis. In 2016 42% was spent on long term development. 33% on military and security aid. 14% on humanitarian aid. 11% political aid. Enough griping about feeding and sheltering refugees and the tired trope about welfare queens, and "USA First". USA reaps benefits from giving out aid. Much was spent to rebuild Europe and Japan after WW2.

[Canada]

Maybe those of higher intelligence can parse the costs vs benefits of this issue from the libertarian Cato Institute, founded as the Charles Koch Foundation In 1974. Just for fun let's discuss "Marcus Porcius Cato 234-149 BC. Cato, known for his conservatism and and opposition to Hellenization.

You don't need higher intelligence for welfare benefits. You just need common sense. Anyone with common sense knows welfare should be for USA citizens in need rather than welfare to illegals entering our country. USA gives billions of funding to countries to take care of their poor.

[Beijing4987]

Maybe those of higher intelligence can parse the costs vs benefits of this issue from the libertarian Cato Institute, founded as the Charles Koch Foundation In 1974. Just for fun let's discuss "Marcus Porcius Cato 234-149 BC. Cato, known for his conservatism and and opposition to Hellenization.

[Canada]

I have been on welfare before. And I think that welfare is actually a good thing. The problem is that it is applied improperly. These days it is called TANF: TEMPORARY Assistance for Needy Families. Somehow the "Temporary" seems to get overlooked and people with no ambition stay on it permanently and the government allows them to. Some would say it is actually designed for people to be on it permanently. Those little crumbs were not enough to satisfy my appetite, but it was there in my time of need.

I agree welfare is a positive for temporary relief but you are right about people just staying in it for life. Now we have the illegals that have children starting on welfare immediately when they are released. Welfare in USA is more than they were making in there country so they will be a burden forever.

[Mr Enternational]

You are right on. It is great to hear from someone who lived. I agree 100% of your post. Can't wait to hear the response to this from the socialists here.

I have been on welfare before. And I think that welfare is actually a good thing. The problem is that it is applied improperly. These days it is called TANF: TEMPORARY Assistance for Needy Families. Somehow the "Temporary" seems to get overlooked and people with no ambition stay on it permanently and the government allows them to. Some would say it is actually designed for people to be on it permanently. Those little crumbs were not enough to satisfy my appetite, but it was there in my time of need.

[Canada]

I am not affiliated with any political party. I vote for the candidate that will represent my interest of the day the best. That being said, being a Black man, liberal outlets keep telling me I am going to get killed by the police and all this stuff about there being systemic racism. I don't remember Fox stimulating any of this fear.

I tend to live by my experience and I have experienced this very big world to the tune of over 100 countries. Maybe shit like this is effective on someone that never lives outside of their 3 block neighborhood, but I know better. From nursery school to the Navy I have been around people of all races and my Black parents never talked to me about race. People were just people. Only in undergraduate was I around only Black people because I went to a historically Black college. Never had a sense or thought that a person among my group was getting an opportunity that I did not because they were White or I was not getting an opportunity because I was Black.

I am 49 years old and I have carried a gun since I was 21. At this point I own enough to carry a different one everyday of the month. Back when I first got my license my state was an open carry state, meaning the weapon had to be visible. I went into Bank of America one morning and waited in line with with my weapon exposed. Somebody tripped the alarm. Of course 30 policemen rushed in and asking no questions filled me with lead.

NOT! A lone WHITE policeman came inside and whispered to me to FOLLOW HIM outside and do not touch anything. We got outside to his car and I showed him my license. He said that the law says that you have to have it out in the open, but just cover it up anyway so people will not get scared.

I have not even been pulled over by a policeman in the last 20 years and the license plate on my car makes it known that I am Black. The two times before that when I was arrested (unpaid tickets), I did not argue and I did not resist. I knew I was in the wrong and did not try to fight the case in the street. I just got the handcuffs on me and got in the car and went to jail. I called someone to get me out. You know, like kind of how the system is designed to work. Simple!

Hell, one time the WHITE cop had pulled me over on the expressway, but when he found out he had to take me to jail he told me to pull off the exit and into a gas station so he would not have to tow the car. Then he let me call my mom and waited for her to come get the car. This was like 3 am. So fuck the shit CNN is trying to make everyone believe about the police and Black people.

And about this systemic racism shit. First question is what did you do to make yourself qualified for whatever you were trying to do? Folks claim this racism only using one set of data. 10 people over here are White and nobody is Black. They never even make mention that maybe no Black people were even interested in the position, or that over the last 10 years half the people applying have been Black but none of those that were QUALIFIED were accepted. We are led to believe that because there were no Blacks, no women, no gays, no whatever, something is wrong with the system.

Makes a big difference how you make your mind up depending on the data that is available to you. That is why they need to quit letting the public decide a case by seeing a short video clip and go back to the old system where a jury that has been presented ALL the evidence deliberates on the case and comes up with a decision.

I just want to see one time someone ask these well-off or popular people who keep shouting there is systemic racism, "Well how did you do it?" You mean with all this systemic racism the system let you accomplish something you wanted and you got rich. Let everybody in on your method so we can follow in your footsteps and circumvent this racist system you talk about the same way that you did.

Sorry. I am a 49 year old Black dude that has taken advantage of a multitude of opportunities that appeared before me. Ain't nobody giving nothing away. You have to put in work to make yourself marketable for what you want. Listening to these clowns reinforce you will never be able to do shit and will never be able to have shit because of this phantom racist system is pure bullshit.

I have heard Fox News say some ridiculous shit almost everyday, but drilling into people that they are somehow disadvantaged and don't stand a chance in this country is not one of them. When you know other countries and see what not having a chance really is, you realize the limitless chance you actually have in the USA.

You are right on. It is great to hear from someone who lived. I agree 100% of your post. Can't wait to hear the response to this from the socialists here.

[PVMonger]

Why is it when someone points out how Biden policies are hurting American business and a company like GM announces they are going to spend $1 billion dollars in Mexico rather than USA for their new electric car that you start referencing 1903 auto industry. Biden isn't that old but I guess he acts like it. More industry will move out of USA for taxes and stupid regulations not high labor. Biden regulations and taxes will drive out industry like New York high taxes are driving out people. Bigger government and more government regulations will not attract investment in USA. I realize most of you don't have a business and you rely on government subsistence but USA needs large companies to employ thousands. USA can't survive if 50% of their population is on welfare or unemployment. I know the true socialists think that only the 1% need to work and pay taxes and the rest of the people either work for the government or are on welfare or unemployment.

According to GM. "GM has invested $2.2 billion to retool Factory zero, previously called Detroit-Hamtramck Assembly, to build EVs when that plant opens later this year. GM has said it will eventually employ 2,200 workers and make the GMC Hummer EV pickup, GMC Hummer EV SUV, Chevrolet Silverado electric pickup and the self-driving electric Cruise Origin. At Orion, GM is investing $402 million to build Chevrolet Bolt EV, Chevrolet Bolt EUV and Cruise AV test vehicles. GM said that investment will support 1,100 jobs.

GM recently announced it will invest $2 billion at Spring Hill Assembly in Tennessee to build the Cadillac Lyriq EV SUV along side the internal combustion SUVs it presently builds. GM is investing $800 million in CAMI to build the EV600 electric delivery truck later this year for GM's electric light commercial truck startup BrightDrop. " So GM has spent or will spend $5. 5 Billion to upgrade US and Canadian plants.

Additionally, the fact that GM workers in Mexico are paid $15 PER DAY (1/10th of what US GM workers are paid) probably had absolutely nothing to do with GM's decision. Smh.

[ShooBree]

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[Mr Enternational]

Fox News exists to stimulate fear (ask why Hannity, Carlson, Pirro, etc shout so much). When the amygdala is active, rational thought is suppressed and people are (even more) susceptible to slogans, simplistic thought, and authoritarian rule. Yes, in fact there is a right wing conspiracy to keep the masses afraid and in thrall -- it's run through Fox.

I am not affiliated with any political party. I vote for the candidate that will represent my interest of the day the best. That being said, being a Black man, liberal outlets keep telling me I am going to get killed by the police and all this stuff about there being systemic racism. I don't remember Fox stimulating any of this fear.

I tend to live by my experience and I have experienced this very big world to the tune of over 100 countries. Maybe shit like this is effective on someone that never lives outside of their 3 block neighborhood, but I know better. From nursery school to the Navy I have been around people of all races and my Black parents never talked to me about race. People were just people. Only in undergraduate was I around only Black people because I went to a historically Black college. Never had a sense or thought that a person among my group was getting an opportunity that I did not because they were White or I was not getting an opportunity because I was Black.

I am 49 years old and I have carried a gun since I was 21. At this point I own enough to carry a different one everyday of the month. Back when I first got my license my state was an open carry state, meaning the weapon had to be visible. I went into Bank of America one morning and waited in line with with my weapon exposed. Somebody tripped the alarm. Of course 30 policemen rushed in and asking no questions filled me with lead.

NOT! A lone WHITE policeman came inside and whispered to me to FOLLOW HIM outside and do not touch anything. We got outside to his car and I showed him my license. He said that the law says that you have to have it out in the open, but just cover it up anyway so people will not get scared.

I have not even been pulled over by a policeman in the last 20 years and the license plate on my car makes it known that I am Black. The two times before that when I was arrested (unpaid tickets), I did not argue and I did not resist. I knew I was in the wrong and did not try to fight the case in the street. I just got the handcuffs on me and got in the car and went to jail. I called someone to get me out. You know, like kind of how the system is designed to work. Simple!

Hell, one time the WHITE cop had pulled me over on the expressway, but when he found out he had to take me to jail he told me to pull off the exit and into a gas station so he would not have to tow the car. Then he let me call my mom and waited for her to come get the car. This was like 3 am. So fuck the shit CNN is trying to make everyone believe about the police and Black people.

And about this systemic racism shit. First question is what did you do to make yourself qualified for whatever you were trying to do? Folks claim this racism only using one set of data. 10 people over here are White and nobody is Black. They never even make mention that maybe no Black people were even interested in the position, or that over the last 10 years half the people applying have been Black but none of those that were QUALIFIED were accepted. We are led to believe that because there were no Blacks, no women, no gays, no whatever, something is wrong with the system.

Makes a big difference how you make your mind up depending on the data that is available to you. That is why they need to quit letting the public decide a case by seeing a short video clip and go back to the old system where a jury that has been presented ALL the evidence deliberates on the case and comes up with a decision.

I just want to see one time someone ask these well-off or popular people who keep shouting there is systemic racism, "Well how did you do it?" You mean with all this systemic racism the system let you accomplish something you wanted and you got rich. Let everybody in on your method so we can follow in your footsteps and circumvent this racist system you talk about the same way that you did.

Sorry. I am a 49 year old Black dude that has taken advantage of a multitude of opportunities that appeared before me. Ain't nobody giving nothing away. You have to put in work to make yourself marketable for what you want. Listening to these clowns reinforce you will never be able to do shit and will never be able to have shit because of this phantom racist system is pure bullshit.

I have heard Fox News say some ridiculous shit almost everyday, but drilling into people that they are somehow disadvantaged and don't stand a chance in this country is not one of them. When you know other countries and see what not having a chance really is, you realize the limitless chance you actually have in the USA.

[Mr Enternational]

Now, for reality: candidates to run for office are selected and funded by either of the two parties. Does anyone want to pretend this is done democratically?

You mean like when Bernie Sanders beat Hillary Clinton. , but the "super delegates" chose her to represent the party in the election? They need to get rid of that party mess and let it be every person for themselves. But of course money drives the system so that will never happen.

[Paulie97]

People are racist and prejudice. Welcome to the real world. A person does not have to belong to a particular political party or group to have these ideas. Brazil, Thailand, India, Korea do not have Democratic or Republican parties, but they still have racist people. It is not going anywhere no matter how much you preach against it; the same as "terrorism".

More fallacious black and white thinking and a cop out. So since evil will always exist then let's stop confronting it? Education would be pointless as no one ever changes. Jim Crow would still be firmly implanted. Women wouldn't have the right to vote or opportunities to excel in careers in great numbers. We'd likely be speaking another language now as there would have been no point in fighting back in the world wars. The list goes on.

There is always going to be mfs willing to whip some ass over something they believe in. If it is your ass they are tearing in to then you label them a terrorist. If it is somebody else's ass that you are tearing in to then you label yourself a freedom fighter.

So all causes are created equally? Joseph Stalin, Dylann Roof, or Timothy McVeigh are just as valid as anyone else? More asinine conclusions. Worthy of barstool banter in some brothel town but not a serious discussion. Stick with the brothel talk Bro.