FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Sirioja]

But in Europe every worker even those who are doing menial jobs, get the same minimum wage.

If you want to hire a butcher, a cook, a electrician,. If you only pay minimum wages you will not get very skilled one. You will be surprised about the salaries of many manual jobs in places like France, Germany.

Some manual jobs make more money than working in office on computer close to heater, but these jobs are much more difficult, risky, can be in the cold, under rain, under high heat, exhausting health. When I started to work, some manual workers earned more than me when I ordered them, even I started with around French couple average salary in 2000's. I couldn't achieve my job without them who are mostly foreigners and I won't be able to do their job, I'm just better than them for cleaning.

[Clodius1]

I don't think HammerTime is saying all Americans are "dumb"; he's just pointing out the "dumb" ones who support failed "socialist propaganda", that's all. I am an American, and I agree with him. Do you?

I try to be a kind and tolerant person. Sometimes I might fall short, but I do aspire to be open minded and tolerant. But I am not WOKE by any stretch of the imagination. That philosophy is too negative and small-minded, something just shy of book-burning. A true liberal strives for progressive thought while also respecting the history and achievements of his forbears. American politics has become too nasty and strident. Best to be apolitical, make bank, and rack up those frequent flier points. Cheers to all.

[Pessimist]

But ideologically all the liberal parties should be for prostitution. Even the greens. But I suspect the greens have a lot of poor voters. And they cannot afford p6, or are afraid of their husband going to one. So they ditch the official liberal stance for selfish reasons.

I don't know / understand the politics of Europe; but in the US, prostitution legalization is not an issue that plays to either right or left base. As such, no one is for it. It is just a question of who is against it the more. Politicians are in the business of gaining power; it is a career, it is a business. If I were a politician I too would do and say things that will get me elected and keep me elected (just as I would do and say things to maximize my income in any other profession). Being pro-prostitution legalization is not a vote maximization stance for either the left or the right.

Prostitution is an unsavory business, face it. Even on this forum, few people want to know all the details of how 18 year old girls magically appear naked in front of them at a fuck club. It is like meat. Few want to see the blood and gore at the butcher shop but would enjoy that fine meal at the restaurant. Very few men even on this forum would want to see someone from their family or friends circle become a prostitute. They might tolerate them, but almost no one would encourage their near and loved ones to become prostitutes nor wishes that they would grow up to become successful prostitutes in life.

It will always remain a local issue. Why should it become a national issue? Perhaps as a blanket ban or removal of such ban, as a matter of constitution of that nation. Once that principle is settled, much like abortion, the availability of prostitution and zoning, permits, enforcement, extent of prosecution, LE looking the other way etc. Are all local issues. And personally, I haven't see much correlation between prostitution and local politics. In NV, it has been legal and that is a state which is generally down the center: sometimes goes left, sometimes right. Regardless of how the politics of that state have changed, it has remained legal. In states that have swung from one side of politics to the other in the course of 3 to 4 decades, I have not seen a change in the legal status of prostitution either.

People on this forum like to fight and claim their side (left or right) is more in favor of prostitution, but the reality is that these mongers are not representative of their party's stance on this issue. None of their party stalwarts will ever articulate an election campaign around the "winning issue of legalizing prostitution". It is a fringe issue for most of the society and a hot button issue for some small sub-sections on both far left and far right.

[ExpatLover]

But in Europe every worker even those who are doing menial jobs, get the same minimum wage.

If you want to hire a butcher, a cook, a electrician,. If you only pay minimum wages you will not get very skilled one. You will be surprised about the salaries of many manual jobs in places like France, Germany.

[Rocky V]

Is it the way the green or other politicians do their moves? Have you ever seen the smart politicians do in that way??

Anyone sensible will know that Politicians are smart people and will raise the issue in smarter ways to get a better impact with less efforts.

What they will normally do is to keep the issue to become afloat and become a public awareness, so more people will subscribe to their policy for their own or party advantage. They will get more political gain hoping people voting for them. They then try to push it to become a law.

Like ShooBree you are the one who should move to North Korea if you think it is ok to do like what Feminists have been doing to destroy the FKK business and demonising those who visited the FKKs. Also, it is not the duty of politicians to ambush the protesters, push them to the ground and arrest people. It is the police duty. Do that in any civilised nation, you are the person who will get arrested or get sued.

Again keep in mind FKK and visiting FKK is legal in Germany.

Also firing people and closing a factory is permitted by law, but you would never think that it is not right for people to protest against these actions. I feel we have similar views on the legality of FKK, but we differ in what you ad I expect politicians to do when people protest.

[Adindas]

Did you expect that a Green candidate would stalk a group of feminists and, as soon as these started a protest in front of a FKK, he would then tackle them to the ground and have them arrested? If you want that type of society, I'd suggest you to move to North Korea.

Sounds more like you're the one who should move to North Korea if you think it's alright to act as the crazy feminazis did. You're such a tool. The feminazis were the ones harassing a legal business and it's customers, not the other way around.

Is it the way the green or other politicians do their moves? Have you ever seen the smart politicians do in that way??

Anyone sensible will know that Politicians are smart people and will raise the issue in smarter ways to get a better impact with less efforts.

What they will normally do is to keep the issue to become afloat and become a public awareness, so more people will subscribe to their policy for their own or party advantage. They will get more political gain hoping people voting for them. They then try to push it to become a law.

Like ShooBree you are the one who should move to North Korea if you think it is ok to do like what Feminists have been doing to destroy the FKK business and demonising those who visited the FKKs. Also, it is not the duty of politicians to ambush the protesters, push them to the ground and arrest people. It is the police duty. Do that in any civilised nation, you are the person who will get arrested or get sued.

Again keep in mind FKK and visiting FKK is legal in Germany.

[Adindas]

Some guys prefer companionship, some pay big money for this for hours, at LR. Some pay to sleep in room, or to drink and smoke, or to chat, to gossip, in couch or in room. Some prefer to massage girls rather than fucking. We are all different, we look for different services with girls.

As I always said to my past LR weekly regular: I don't pay for time out of room, she always answered: Do I ask you something for this? Liar but very honest about money, Romanian asking not to go with other girls after our fourth room, on our second day.

Some here I do not pay for the time outside the hours in the room, if I want to pay more I will normally take extra services for an extra fees. This is not because I could not effort to pay for it I just do not want to give a bad precedent for my other fellow mongers.

What a person do is his personal business, but keep in mind your action will affect other visitors and soon become an expectation. Tipping might be common in the country like in the US as the people like waitress are getting a very low wage and expect to top up their salaries with tips. But in Europe every worker even those who are doing menial jobs, get the same minimum wage.

[ShooBree]

Did you expect that a Green candidate would stalk a group of feminists and, as soon as these started a protest in front of a FKK, he would then tackle them to the ground and have them arrested? If you want that type of society, I'd suggest you to move to North Korea.

Sounds more like you're the one who should move to North Korea if you think it's alright to act as the crazy feminazis did. You're such a tool. The feminazis were the ones harassing a legal business and it's customers, not the other way around.

[Gino02]

I might be "dumb" but at least I understand what "nuanced" means. Maybe you can google it. Yes, I make plenty of mistakes in life. There is no shame in making mistakes unless you fail to learn from them. And as for the hateful anti-American rhetoric, that just makes you look small my friend. We might have been late to the party, but we saved your sorry asses all the same. From both of my grandfathers who bled for you Euros, Cheers!

I don't think HammerTime is saying all Americans are "dumb"; he's just pointing out the "dumb" ones who support failed "socialist propaganda", that's all. I am an American, and I agree with him. Do you?

[Pistons]

Sally speaks German but has Turkish roots, a Turkish passport. An elegant looking beautiful woman. With regards to your "noble knight phantasies": it is her business, she really don't need you to help her, she knows how to help herself!

In Norway all the right wing parties are for legalizing it fully, even buying and not just selling (they even have it stated in the election program. But they had the same 4 years ago, and nothing happened even if they won the election. The greens are a left wing party and everything I can find relates to it is that the females of the green party are against legalizing it. The socialist party have always been handing out condoms to everyone, but both the socialists and the labor party on the left side are against prostitution. (because the voters cannot afford it?

So the divide is quite clear here. Yes and no on the political right-left axis.

But ideologically all the liberal parties should be for prostitution. Even the greens. But I suspect the greens have a lot of poor voters. And they cannot afford p6, or are afraid of their husband going to one. So they ditch the official liberal stance for selfish reasons.

[Clodius1]

Show us examples of this. For example, how 'liberal' are the Greens and socialists in Sweden towards prostitution? Or the Fins? Or the Norwegians?

You make the typical American mistake to think that P6 is a political issue, while in reality it's probably more of a cultural thing. If anything, the left-green political parties are usually in favour of shutting everything down, or 'regulating' and taxing any business so heavily that they go bankrupt. See my example of Belgium below.

There might be some individual cases of 'socialists burning Other People's Money' (OPM) by subsidising a disabled person getting laid by a WG, but generally speaking P6 has been around in Europe for hundreds of years, long before the Green-Socialist agenda was invented by Marx & Co. (Hint: the Schipperskwartier in Antwerpen, or the famous RLD in Amsterdam, the Reeperbahn in Hamburg, etc).

The Greens and socialists have ruled Amsterdam for last few decades so YOU (with your limited life experience and world view) might think that they are responsible for P6, but reality is that they have been cracking down on P6 for years. Why would that be if they are so 'liberal' towards P6? Here are articles from 2008, 2019 and 2021.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/w...amsterdam.html

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/19...n-sex-workers/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-tourism-reset

In Amsterdam this is just the first step towards the Swedish model. The socialists got their votes from horny voters and 'progressives' in the past during the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's, but now the "me-too" and radical feminists are in control and dictate the agenda, and not just in the Green parties, but also in the CDU, SPD, FDP and VVD.

Look at all the Labour Party mayors of Amsterdam, and look at who is the current mayor of Amsterdam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_of_Amsterdam#Early_20 th_century.

Why do you think YingYang has been closed in Roermond? Or LR in Kaarst? Hint: radical feminist female mayors!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rianne_Donders-de_Leest

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaarst#Politics.

Here is another example: in the French speaking part of Belgium, the P.S. (Parti Socialiste) has been in power for decades, yet P6 is very limited and sparse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(Belgium)#Walloon_Parliament.

No big RLD or sex club with a good international reputation can be found in the Walloon region. Why is Belgium's biggest RLD located in the Dutch-Flemish speaking part of Belgium? Could it be because culturally speaking, the Flemish are much closer to the Dutch, and the Walloons much closer to the French? Why is GT in Brggen full of French and Belgiums and even Luxemburgers?

Please save us your socialist propaganda, and stick to being the dumb uninformed American with his J&J jabs!

I might be "dumb" but at least I understand what "nuanced" means. Maybe you can google it. Yes, I make plenty of mistakes in life. There is no shame in making mistakes unless you fail to learn from them. And as for the hateful anti-American rhetoric, that just makes you look small my friend. We might have been late to the party, but we saved your sorry asses all the same. From both of my grandfathers who bled for you Euros, Cheers!

[Rocky V]

Politicians such as politicians from Green party are using this for political advantage to win more vote from particular society society. Where are they when the Femisist ambushed the FKKs filming the FKK visitors shaming the visitors by put the picture in the news. Where are they ? Keep in mind FKK is legal in Germany.

Did you expect that a Green candidate would stalk a group of feminists and, as soon as these started a protest in front of a FKK, he would then tackle them to the ground and have them arrested? If you want that type of society, I'd suggest you to move to North Korea.

[Rocky V]

Everyone needs to respect the human right. But nowadays people, politicians are using this word for personal or political gains.

Disabled people shall have the right to have sex with whoever agree to have sex with them. Disabled people like anyone else should have access to prostitute in the country where prositution is legal. But this has always been the case, is it not.

Suggesting the right to have sex with prostitutes using the taxpayer's money, is abusing the privilege of human right.

Politicians such as politicians from Green party are using this for political advantage to win more vote from particular society society. Where are they when the Femisist ambushed the FKKs filming the FKK visitors shaming the visitors by put the picture in the news. Where are they ? Keep in mind FKK is legal in Germany.

Everything is now a human right, nowadays. Does someone cease to exist if they are denied access to prostitute.

The German Green simply proposed some years ago that a prostitute visit should be claimed back as a medical expense for people with certain disabilities. Chill out!

[Rocky V]

Show us examples of this. For example, how 'liberal' are the Greens and socialists in Sweden towards prostitution? Or the Fins? Or the Norwegians?

You make the typical American mistake to think that P6 is a political issue, while in reality it's probably more of a cultural thing. If anything, the left-green political parties are usually in favour of shutting everything down, or 'regulating' and taxing any business so heavily that they go bankrupt. See my example of Belgium below.

There might be some individual cases of 'socialists burning Other People's Money' (OPM) by subsidising a disabled person getting laid by a WG, but generally speaking P6 has been around in Europe for hundreds of years, long before the Green-Socialist agenda was invented by Marx & Co. (Hint: the Schipperskwartier in Antwerpen, or the famous RLD in Amsterdam, the Reeperbahn in Hamburg, etc).

The Greens and socialists have ruled Amsterdam for last few decades so YOU (with your limited life experience and world view) might think that they are responsible for P6, but reality is that they have been cracking down on P6 for years. Why would that be if they are so 'liberal' towards P6? Here are articles from 2008, 2019 and 2021.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/w...amsterdam.html

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/19...n-sex-workers/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-tourism-reset.

Oh you don't know that Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands, Finland and Norway are different countries? I'm so sorry for you!

[Adindas]

The Greens also advocate for sex as a human right, and believe that persons on disability should have access to prostitutes at the State's expense. So the situation is a bit more nuanced than the doom and gloom Klima scenario.

Everyone needs to respect the human right. But nowadays people, politicians are using this word for personal or political gains.

Disabled people shall have the right to have sex with whoever agree to have sex with them. Disabled people like anyone else should have access to prostitute in the country where prositution is legal. But this has always been the case, is it not.

Suggesting the right to have sex with prostitutes using the taxpayer's money, is abusing the privilege of human right.

Politicians such as politicians from Green party are using this for political advantage to win more vote from particular society society. Where are they when the Femisist ambushed the FKKs filming the FKK visitors shaming the visitors by put the picture in the news. Where are they ? Keep in mind FKK is legal in Germany.

Everything is now a human right, nowadays. Does someone cease to exist if they are denied access to prostitute.