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06-08-21 22:38 #1150
Posts: 1132Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]
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Originally Posted by Mr Enternational [View Original Post]
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06-08-21 22:26 #1149
Posts: 1132Absolution and its many forms...
Originally Posted by Mr Enternational [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Mr Enternational [View Original Post]
If I should find that elusive old, one-eyed, one-leg hooker with 3-kids, then that is entirely my choice, if she happens to tick all of my relationship boxes I require.
Absolution....hmmmm!
Third, well I guess that depends on your point of view. Perhaps it is you who is trying to find absolution with a "non-pro" and you who is hiding a life long guilt, for fucking hoards of hookers, from all around the world?
If mongerers don't feel "guilty" about fucking women for money, why should a women feel "guilty" working and fucking for her money, in a past life.
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06-08-21 21:18 #1148
Posts: 1988You're thinking too much.
Originally Posted by StinkySquid [View Original Post]
Under no circumstances should a monger confess to a nonpro. That would be a no starter, IMHO.
Now, with a working girl or semi-pro, there is no reason to lie. Quite the opposite, they need to be made aware that you know the scene.
Seriously, why not just enjoy the best fun city in the world? Mongering and committed relationships don't mix (in my limited experience).
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06-08-21 20:04 #1147
Posts: 6449Spidy
Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
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06-08-21 19:54 #1146
Posts: 314No shame in mongering
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
Brazilian girls know full well and expect that gringo dudes who travel in Brazil are in the hobby. If you were to tell her that "no!" she knew you were lying, so why beat around the Bush? I have (or more like had) a very good girl from whom I learned so much, who never herself was in this, but she knew tons of girls who are. Man the stories she would tell. All but what she thinks the WGs are charging is very interesting. When it comes to her idea of what they charge, it is oddly completely off. I think what happens is that the WGs are bragging how much they charge, and in reality they aren't.
Anyway, no need to lie about it. In fact you should be straight forward, and shake out some of that feminist nonsense about "equality". I have been there caught up in this myself, but there is no point of believing in bullshit but in your own life choices equivocating your own pretended beliefs.
Here is how this works: it is extremely hard to reform a puta. Unless you "saved" her early in the game. Once she is experienced, she is no longer LTR material except if you expect the LTR to have a set expiration date of a year or two. If you prepare yourself what's coming and are fine with it, then it's fine. I mean, just listen to the notoriously infamous "Ins Brasil" and her German husband who apparently was fine with her being the most famous working girl of Munich or wherever she lived then. If you want wifey material then that's definitely not going to work out.
Now as for us men, the thing is different. I believe all men have it in themselves to want to sample variety. And while monger types will have less scruples with that I think men who want a committed relationship can pick one (and picking the one they really want can come from a better place of understanding then) and they can start falling in love and just focus on the one they choose. IMO where that breaks down with men is when she starts to become difficult and withdraws and withholds and has "headaches" or other bullshit. That is where men start wandering off. But with women it seems different. Once they lose that magic they have a very hard time to come back to develop some focus on one husband.
So no, there is no equality here. And the issue isn't the past, the issue is how the past affects the future. There is a reason why in ancient law (whether secular or Biblical or Koranic law) "adultery" was defined as sex with a woman married to someone else. I can lecture on this, it is true. This is not some patriarchy oppression (insert whining here) bullshit, it simply makes sense from a deep understanding of the biologic and evolutional psychology point of view and the difference between herd animals and human civilization. . To make a long story short, as for how to deal with a Brazilian GF:
You can be straight with her. Be straight and do not try to lie (she knows) and especially do not lie to yourself. Make sure you quarantine for some time and do a complete check, including HPV, herpes, clamydia, aside from the more infamous STDs. Then go into that one girl only and consider what it takes for you to stick to that one. Unless you negotiate some "open relationship", which is probably not then a real good LTR, then you should look at the prospect of not fooling around anymore. You should have it out of your system then. This doesn't mean you need to be guilty nor play a part in this endless anti-male propaganda that women are full of (as if men are the only ones who cheat or let the relationship down.) You have to lead that relationship right so that you catch hick-ups early on and correct them before they fester. And in the process you might find out that the "R" wasn't to last that much of "LT" as you hoped.
Another thing to keep in mind when moving from the mongering field to the relationship. Good women will want to establish a stable home and children. Think about this. You cannot deny a girl the wish for children. She may think she doesn't want to until she hits 30 and then it will explode. It is not fair if you make a girl promise you she'll be fine without children just as it is not fair for a woman to make a man promise her that he'll be fine with timid lights-out sex once a week. It just doesn't work. Even just for the sake of the children, then, marriage is the thing you should look into. This also means a pre-nup. That idea needs to be talked about within the first two years of an LTR. If marriage takes some time to get paperwork together, you can go ahead with declaring an uniao estavel (civil union) at any cartorio on a walk in basis. All that's required is ID. In that, you should choose "separcao total de bens" right up front (and have a conversation about this way earlier). You should in such a contract consider building on the basis of total asset separation and add back fair consideration of her needs in contingencies. Many relationships fail and hard to put all blame on one side. But lack of a hard asset separation is a risk factor for early rent-seeking by the woman. You must absolutely secure her from your heirs though, there are many stories where the female companions of decades find themselves booted out from the marital home and basically thrown into the gutter by the heirs of the deceased man. You should also promise her some level of security over time, such as her own assets that build up over time from your contributions.
Plan for reality with open eyes and a good heart, and live your life to the fullest extent!
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06-08-21 19:39 #1145
Posts: 6449Fairness
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
One time, a long time ago, I was involved in a serious relationship with an ex-prostitute. The interesting thing is that it was well before I would have considered myself to be a "monger". We were so compatible in so many ways. And to this day, I can honestly say that she was the best girlfriend in bed that I have ever had LOL. She knew just what to do and say, and how to please me. In another place and time, we would have married. But, it wasn't meant to be. I broke up with her, and it wasn't just because she had been a prostitute. There were other factors to consider, which led me conclude that it wouldn't work in the long term. To make a long story short, I broke her heart. She became angry and bitter, and eventually returned to prostitution. Once a tute, always a tute. And once a monger, always a monger!
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06-08-21 19:34 #1144
Posts: 16001Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
Get what you want. Don't get something on the basis that it will make you feel less guilty or less of a hypocrite. You are the one that has to live with it and it is not like you are going to run around telling people you chose an old hooker because you did not want to be a hypocrite so they can pat you on the back. Nobody will know but you. And who said there was anything wrong with being a hypocrite or changing?
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06-08-21 18:59 #1143
Posts: 1132ex-Mongerer in the Mirror
Originally Posted by The Cane [View Original Post]
Now that is an all time GREAT answer. You got me...I wasn't expecting such a poignant answer. Very succinct, balanced and cuts to the chase.
Originally Posted by The Cane [View Original Post]
Yes, that's right I said ex-pro (or better yet ex-semi-pro). We all have "history" and I'm not trying to be a hypocrite.
Look, when you hold up the mirror to yourself, there are definitely some uncomfortable truths and questions that arise. So I don't plan on being a hypocrite and can't judge a woman's past history too harshly, if I can't hold my own past up to the same level of scrutiny.
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06-08-21 10:09 #1142
Posts: 6449Unsaid
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
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06-08-21 08:17 #1141
Posts: 1132Non-Pro Garota and an ex-Mongerer?
Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]Originally Posted by Vagabundo1 [View Original Post]
Just checking that logic of yours for a second, if the shoe were on the other foot.
So I guess when it comes time for an ex-mongerer (or sometimes still engaged hobbyist), to have a meaningful relationship with non-pro women (assuming of course, that she knows / knew you paid to fuck hookers on the regular), should they too avoid us like the plague?
Or is this "right", only reserved for men?
Point being, I wonder how many non-pro women would still want to have a meaningful relationship with guys, if they knew our past / recent history, where we've paid to fuck hookers on the regular?
And if they do know and still want to be with us, then do they get what they deserve when shit happens?
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11-28-19 03:31 #1140
Posts: 2278Hooking Up with Tourists
There are women who come to Brazil, especially during Carnaval, with the same idea that we have except they do not intend to pay. Here is how that plays out, at least for me: She may be alone or with a couple of like minded friends. They have seen or heard about the well-built Brazilian guys and have their sights set. However, what they did not plan on was how few of those guys speak English or just how intimidating it can be when you are in another country. This is where you step in. You know Rio, you know Portuguese, you know how to be both naughty and nice. I hooked up with a dentist from Mexico whom I met at the hotel breakfast. Smile, be friendly, let them hear you speak Portuguese to the locals. The dentist actually approached me. Also, do not overlook the benefits from being liked by the hotel staff. Even in Brazil they are not going to give you someone's room number, but they will tell you if they have seen a man with that attractive woman waiting in the lobby. I hooked up with a Chinese tourist in Australia by scheduling the same tour. Be creative and adventurous. Do be sure to wear flame retardant clothing, because there will be some crashing and burning. But, of course, we all know they were lesbians. Think this way, what have you got to lose. If you get shot down, happiness is only a hot Brazilian away.
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10-23-18 04:49 #1139
Posts: 2278From a Thread Far Far Away.
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
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10-19-18 21:27 #1138
Posts: 16001Originally Posted by Sperto [View Original Post]
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10-19-18 20:22 #1137
Posts: 4056Random girls?
"In other monger countries its still possible to just talk to a random hot girl in the streets and the chances are high that she is willing to go with you?"
I prefer not to clutter the Rio thread. It would be great if any gringo could go to Brazil and pick-up any girl on the streets, just because he's a gringo. Is that probable? No!
You probably know the feeling. After the first hours in Rio you've accustomed to the smell of maresia from the sea mixtured with the smell of pea. The first week you go smiling to every second bubble butt girl on the street feeling like you´re in heaven. Some girls smile back and flirt and others not. After the first week you don't have to break your neck just to look at all the asses passing by.
Face facts. In Brazil the girls doesn't miss the attention of men. If a beautiful girl pass on the street, every guy/man between young/very old will look and do the psiu-psiu. The girls may appreciate it but it's not a new sensation to them. It takes something more. In my experience I know blond/blue eyed helps a lot. Nonetheless, I have many amigas that I know prefer much more dark skinned guys. It's not about the skin colour. The majority of the cariocas might be curious of gringos but not desperate of getting to know someone. Don't forget that many of the Brazilian guys knows the game much better than you and knows how to keep in shape. If you're out of shape, too old and know no Portuguese you are no longer in the game. Just as it doesn't save you if you know Portuguese, but luck charm and have a big belly.
As many have said before, if you doesn't score easily back home you shouldn't expect too much with non'pro's in Brazil.
I´ve seen some old veterans with <20+ experience in Brazil, good Portuguese, knows the game, no charm but with very good skills to manipulate. They do manage in Brazil. It's not always beautiful but they do get laid even though it takes a lot of theatre. Often it's quite sad.
I've also seen some buddies without almost no skills of Portuguese but with great physics and a lot of charm who got laid with all the top girls. In the Help era some of these guys entered Help and the top 20 girls were literally fighting to get laid with these guys for free. These guys scored girls back home with the same ease.
I love working girls and even more regular girls. If it wasn't for the regular girls in Brazil i would stop going there. My only advice with regular girls, accept for staying fit and learn the language, is to do like the local guys. Flirt everywhere. It doesn't matter if you´re on the beach bus, supermarket, bank, church or whatever, just flirt. When you've reached the stage where you have brazilian friends, guys or girls, it will be even easier.
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09-11-18 10:21 #1136
Posts: 16001Originally Posted by FuckAfMedDig [View Original Post]