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[Lanthano]

I will probably post more news as it comes in. Personally I will be waiting a bit longer before diving into an FKK:

-rebalancing with more girls arriving to stop these obscene guest / girl ratios.

-developments in corona restrictions: wearing a mask inside is still a bit of a deal breaker in a place where I want to relax.

-facilities need to be open: sauna, pools, steam baths, food.

Can't wait but unfortunately I will need to.

[Lanthano]

First of all I would add that prostitution is not a formal job matched to inflation. It's informal unqualified gig-type work, no different than selling watches on the street, or otherwise working door to door.

There is no indexing to inflation for prostitution. Its advantage, only advantage is its remuneration.

The crucial question here is not what the price would be if indexed to inflation, but what it is for them, and what it is comparatively for other jobs in Germany? I will ask the question, before you happily start advocating increasing the price, which jobs in Germany pay 100 euros an hour? (and by giving them the whole hour as "worked" time, I am being very very generous).

On the effect of pay on the availability of "hot" chicks, which is relative, I would say that a direct relation is not clearly established. 90% of the girls are from Eastern Europe, Romania and Bulgaria, who essentially migrate her to work in the clubs, some for very short periods of time before returning home. What they are earning here is not what they would be earning back home, amongst locals, I promise you, and that factors in further that they are working illegally there, in much less clean and safe surroundings, and with probably much worse customers.

New girls come and go in all the time, of different ages, for different reasons, whether in the FKK clubs or the RLD. I am not seeing what you have been seeing. Nostalgia from 20 years ago doesn't help give an objective view of the situation.

In fact, many top tier girls already reasonably asked for 150 Euros for 1 hour of passionate GFE session couple years ago which I had no problem to oblige.

There is probably a good reason for that, inflation not being it.

I bet many of you feel like to chime in to make a point that you can find some hotties doing DFK and BBBJ for 50 Euros. I suspect that those are not the top notch girls that many would consider stunners.

That's an irrefutable argument isn't it: "I am paying fair value for stunners. If you are paying less, then those girls aren't stunners".

You would be surprised what you can negotiate with the willingness to say no.

Many mongers have the gall to lecture others to not over pay or go somewhere else so they think they can maintain the same pricing structure like 20 years ago. Good luck with that. They talk like as if they care about the locals, but in fact they are threatened by their own financial insecurity.

Are you resentful that some international mongers have the financial mean to pay the girls more than you can afford or want to? You are making at least 50% more than you are 20 years ago at least in nominal term. Right?

The point stands that there are clubs that are geared towards tourists, and those towards locals. The former have higher prices than the latter. Why is that?

Because whilst the locals come there quite often and relax, the tourist-oriented clubs have a fly-in clientele of people on business trips or on holiday that are quite comfortable to overpay and girls that are happy to oblige. Then people like you come along and make the argument that they're not overpaying, that is now "market-rate". It's not just wrong, but annoying to say the least, Mr. Economics Mastermind.

[MoneySign]

I'm a believer in paying for services rendered as well, and choose to opt for a 100 E /60 M session instead of haggling for a 50 E /30 M session. However, if they were to raise their price upon my next trip and say 150 E /60 M with DFK / BBBJ I'd try to at least bargain downwards based off past experiences. I'd at least want an extra like CIM or A. If unsuccessful I'd be upset momentarily, but would likely be forced to reconcile those differences and pay the higher rate. Traveling on a cross country flight and turning down a session over 50 euros doesn't quite make sense.

Tipping extra is different IMO, and I'm fine with an extra 10-20 E but it varies per person.

It's a business and they're allowed to charge whatever rates they choose. You as well can go find other clubs, not a big deal. Thinking "other men will not go" is equivalent to being out of touch with reality. The market has already spoken given that more men showed up than girls on opening night. Highly doubt that people traveling across Europe, Asia, USA are going to cancel a trip over 50 euros. You're too caught up in the money and not thinking about the experience and enjoyment. These girls are there to make money and they will upcharge for services because they can as long as people are willing to say yes. One shouldn't dictate how another spends their time and money.

I never quite understood this infatuation with being frugal towards mongering. So many people feel "entitlement" to DFK / BBBJ services being standard for 50 euros. It's a common tactic to have a Basic package and Premium package. Standards change over time especially now given the risks of COVID. Besides that have you ever heard of inflation? 50 Euros 1-2 years ago ain't the same as 50 Euros now. These girls were likely hit the hardest I'm sure they could use the extra 50-100 euros more than you. Quit being cheap and treating them like machines, instead have a bit of compassion and pay them a fair rate for their services.

Very well said! I remember when I was finishing off college years ago someone explained to me that, in a free market, you're worth as much as someone is willing to pay you. You nailed the "entitlement" attitude and inflation. When the FKK system started 20 years ago, it was setup to be 50 Euros for 30 minutes that included DFK and BBBJ. It seems unreasonable today to expect the service to be exactly the same like 20 years ago for 50 Euros. Do you spend the same amount on a barber visit as you did 20 years ago? Do you get charged for the same hourly rate to repair your car at a mechanical shop as you did 20 years ago? Do you pay for the same ticket price to watch a professional football game in person in a stadium as you did 20 years ago? I can go on and on. Lets get real here. Almost every thing and service are more expensive today than they were 20 years ago because of inflation. Here is a big question. Do you get paid from your job, at least nominally, as much or more as you did 20 years ago? I hope the answer is more. If you're OK with that but not OK with the girls getting paid more to keep up with inflation, you're a hypocrite. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to pay 50 Euros that includes every GFE service I want with a super model for God sake, but I also recognize the economic reality of how things are going today.

I agree with the argument about paying for the service rendered, but in many cases thats not whats happening. Have you ever wondered why we dont see that many hot young chics, especially the German/Polish/Russian ones, working in the clubs anymore, or they showed up few days and then disappeared? Expecting them to provide the GFE services for 50 Euros as the way it was 20 years ago is like expecting them to get a paid cut for the same service if you consider inflation. Thats exactly what many of you are asking for. No wonder we dont see any German stunner working at these clubs anymore. Gee, why didnt all the chics with 8 or above just come to the clubs and let everybody fucked for 50 Euros. I wonder what incentive they would have to work in the clubs. Hmmm, let me think. (Sense little bit of sarcasm here?) To get the equivalent of 50 Euros 20 years ago, the girls need to make at least 75 Euros /30 minutes according to the inflation link below. That calculation is based on CPI (Consumer Price Index) which, many economists rightfully argue, dont completely reflect the true inflation because CPI excludes the prices of food and energy. In fact, many top tier girls already reasonably asked for 150 Euros for 1 hour of passionate GFE session couple years ago which I had no problem to oblige. That was NOT overpaying, NOT even close after adjusting for inflation. I dont advocate to overpay the girls. Im simply pointing out the insidiousness of inflation that many mongers dont seem to have a fucking clue about. Whether you agree if CPI should apply to P4P doesnt matter. The fact is that all the women from the clubs will end up spending your Euros on manicure, makeup, transportation, groceries, rent, etc. All of which have all gone up in prices. They could buy more stuff with the same 50 Euros 20 years ago for sure. Thats the bottom line. (Note that the currency unit in the link is in dollar, but the inflation rate calculation for Euro is not that much different because both currencies track each other relatively.)

www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2001?amount=50

A lot of the grumbling about some mongers overpaying the girls probably stem from jealousy, resentment, and/or insecurity. Many mongers have the gall to lecture others to not over pay or go somewhere else so they think they can maintain the same pricing structure like 20 years ago. Good luck with that. They talk like as if they care about the locals, but in fact they are threatened by their own financial insecurity. Are you resentful that some international mongers have the financial mean to pay the girls more than you can afford or want to? You are making at least 50% more than you are 20 years ago at least in nominal term. Right? If yes, what do you complain about 75 Euros /30 or 150 Euros /60 mins session? You dont really pay more in real term. If you are not making more money over the past 20 years, why arent you? Thats the question you should ask yourself seriously instead of just blaming how other mongers can screw up your affordability to play in this hobby. If you are making more money today, why would you care if the other mongers pay the girls more (even though many of you keep ignoring inflation)? These so called over pay international mongers may have some effect in the pricing system, but they are not really the ones to blame. There is something else at play here that no one else seems to want to talk about. Ill get to that point in a different post if I get motivated enough since its getting long here.

I bet many of you feel like to chime in to make a point that you can find some hotties doing DFK and BBBJ for 50 Euros. I suspect that those are not the top notch girls that many would consider stunners. I bet if you negotiate with Sylvana for 40 Euros for 30 GFE minutes, she would probably consider it because shes not that much in demand (not that I would expect anyone go with her even for free). Would you complain about that? An unattractive girl will probably provide you 30 minutes of GFE for 50 Euros. If you are fine with that, go for it. There is nothing wrong with that. Thats how the market prices a service according to supply and demand from the customers in the clubs. Remember. You are worth as much as someone is willing to pay you. So are the FKK girls.

[Thampi62]

Fun in going the club will be lost because if we have to obey a lot of conditions. IMHO things will be normal as it was in the past when the present critical situation get diluted. But the situation I expect to happen that the management and the ladies will use the present scenario to up sell the service provided for the consumers. Unity of consumers of clubs are only through anonymous forums, so we are in the back foot. So a proper discussion will be needed to maintain the charm of visiting clubs as before.

[Mr Ho]

Super natural 50 Euro go beyond the natures rule to make the stunners what her daddy do not want her to do LOL!

50 Euro AKA Anal licking receiver at Westkreuz United LOL!

[Mr Ho]

I see you have a professor degree in marketing!

Never! Ever! Underestimate the power of 50 Euro! 50 Euro will only get you a dinner for two in mediocre restaurant in USA, but 50 Euro get you a young stunner in German FKK, where girls eat and drink your Cum for extra 50 Euro and lick Anal clean after shit for extra 50 Euro for Dr Ho for his sick mind, and Extra 100 Euro, Dr Cane get to stretch some young stunner's anal tissues to bling bling his sick mind LOL!

50 Euro AKA Dr Ho, featuring 100 Euro AKA Dr Cane, the 100 Euro Anal stretcher AKA 100 Euro man LOL!

[Mr Ho]

Right now I can visit Brazil but have no desire to do so mainly because I have visited FKKs so often that I have been spoiled and only wish to visit FKKs with no restrictions at this time.

I am always open to fuck new beautiful stunner, even when I am sick and I do not want to fuck, I will force myself to fuck beautiful stunner LOL! That is how much I love beautiful stunner!

But! Yes, I am like you, I have been mongering the best of the best stunner since age 17 and I am at Karma saturated satisfied state of mind in my life when it comes to sex life, so I do love to go to FKK or escort that is open here, but it is not worth it for me to risk my life or my lung and also FKK at the moment is not good time to go as many guys are going so it is full with very limited numbers of girls and number of stunners, plus it is all busy, got to wear mask and so on and on. There are too many unknown and distraction at the moment, so not able to enjoy fully! So me too will stay away till things are settle into right places as how we once used to love it to be!

However, for escort, I will begin doing here once I spot new Eurasian stunner that I do like as one of my type! Covid situation is calm now, but I won't push my luck and do it too much to extent of going to FKK, but escort here and there won't be that risky! The issue for me is to find the stunner enough girl for me to fuck usually takes hours in FKK or even going to few FKK in one day to find the one or for escort it usually takes 2 to 3 months to find the one LOL! I became that picky as I always have been, but lately it is becoming even more crazy insane level picky LOL! I am spoil yes, but I am grateful to have the life opportunity to accomplish such an amazing sex life and to be continue! For now let us stay put because I hear longer you wait, pay off taste better and pay off is sure thing as long as we survive! Make a good use of your memory and your right hand or masturbation hole for now LOL!

[Albert Bundy]

And then they'll go: "yeah but I'm not married, so I don't care." Well Optimist and Lanthano: do you have a job? Do you have a bank account? Do you have relatives and friends? (a quick search on Facebook by the people who have your data will probably reveal a lot)

I find it hard to understand how this type of baiting of fellow members adds anything of worth to this forum. Particularly when you strike at two of the most renowned members in Germany FKK Clubs and one member of particular long-standing and outstanding service to this board. I don't believe it makes ISG a better place.

[Lanthano]

Exactly, but the naivety (read: stupidity) of some people is mind boggling. They honestly want to believe the bullshit, for example that no totalitarian government will store the covid1984 tracking apps data pointing straight to sex clubs, and that FKK clubs will destroy the data after 10 days.

And then they'll go: "yeah but I'm not married, so I don't care." Well Optimist and Lanthano: do you have a job? Do you have a bank account? Do you have relatives and friends? (a quick search on Facebook by the people who have your data will probably reveal a lot) People are getting "cancelled" because of politically incorrect thoughts or behaviour, so how high do you think that some white heterosexual sex tourist fucking 'exploited women from poor Eastern European countries' will score on the 'to-be-cancelled-list' in the US?

What happens to those lists with names, phone numbers and addresses that FKK clubs keep? Do people honestly believe that the police or somebody from the German authorities will check that those lists are destroyed after 10 days? Do you think they care? Hell no, they got the same things in mind! HAHAHAHA!

How about you stop spreading ridiculous fearmongering around the forum?

[Sirioja]

You are right of course it is legal but it seems that some married guys are not able to assume that they are fucking prostitutes and want to stay private.

I was often controlled by polizei just leaving brothels, I couldn't lie and never got problem, when legal business. For sure, when so many married are visiting, according to girls, writing data can make a problem when receiving message about cluster, if wife read message.

[HammerTime96]

I have taken the risk. Ultimately, in Germany, going to the brothel isn't illegal. And none of the Laufhuser want to ruin their reputation by having any of it leaked.

I agree however, this shit shouldn't be necessary.

My name and address wasn't leaked

All you need is a rogue employee with a desire to make some money by blackmailing married clients.

Exactly, but the naivety (read: stupidity) of some people is mind boggling. They honestly want to believe the bullshit, for example that no totalitarian government will store the covid1984 tracking apps data pointing straight to sex clubs, and that FKK clubs will destroy the data after 10 days.

And then they'll go: "yeah but I'm not married, so I don't care." Well Optimist and Lanthano: do you have a job? Do you have a bank account? Do you have relatives and friends? (a quick search on Facebook by the people who have your data will probably reveal a lot) People are getting "cancelled" because of politically incorrect thoughts or behaviour, so how high do you think that some white heterosexual sex tourist fucking 'exploited women from poor Eastern European countries' will score on the 'to-be-cancelled-list' in the US?

What happens to those lists with names, phone numbers and addresses that FKK clubs keep? Do people honestly believe that the police or somebody from the German authorities will check that those lists are destroyed after 10 days? Do you think they care? Hell no, they got the same things in mind! HAHAHAHA!

[Turgid]

We mongers know that Germany and Switzerland and Austria, Brazil and maybe Spain are the best mongering destination ...

Right now I can visit Brazil but have no desire to do so mainly because I have visited FKKs so often that I have been spoiled and only wish to visit FKKs with no restrictions at this time.

[Turgid]

How do you know? How do you know that the club will destroy the list after 10 days?

All you need is a rogue employee with a desire to make some money by blackmailing married clients.

[DrPoon]

Didn't want to clog the Babylon thread anymore.

It's going to take a long time for international mongers to return. Most of the ones coming will be from other parts of Europe and some Americans. Asians seem to be a bit more trepidatious in their traveling right now. At the same time, most East Asians in the clubs are there as part of a business trip, not a lot of business travel going on right now. Same for American business travelers.

My guess is that whatever price hikes that is sustained will be the result of what locals accept, which I hope is little to none. It would be good to pay attention to the make up of the Hessen crowds these next few weeks. If things go as I suspect, you will see a higher than usual proportion of German residents. Without the notorious Asian targets, one should expect that the upsell to not be successful and sustained.

We need to encourage our German friends to hold the line on inflation. Most Germans are demanding customers which is good.

[Mr Ho]

How can you be so sure that your information wasn't leaked? That's something people tend to keep secreted away until finally the leak becomes exposed somehow at later point in time, sometimes even years later. And if in fact your personal information wasn't leaked, how do you know it won't be in the future? Optimism LOL? Yes, it's always a risk we have to choose to take (or not). But unless you have some factual inside info, you don't know whether your personal information has been leaked or not. You hope it hasn't been. You think it hasn't been. But, all things remaining the same, how do you really know for sure that it hasn't been leaked? And that reminds me of a funny story. There was a time when Palace had a masseuse on staff. I decided I wanted a massage, so I wrote my first name down to select a time slot. My name was the only one on the list at the time. Later on when I went back to examine the list, I saw that like 4 or 5 other guys had signed up for time slots after mine, with each one of them signing up using my first name!

Some mongers are naive enough to trust prostitutes and brothel, but 50 Euro only put trust in the power of 50 Euro LOL! It is to the extent when I exchange money to mighty Euro currency when I go to Germany, all my Euro notes are 50 Euro LOL! Be ware, if you see a man in German airport at the arrival and if he only has 50 Euro notes, you know where that guy is heading LOL! 50 Euro is such a force is strong bank note LOL!