Kyiv

[Desin]

It's very interesting to be in Kiev. It's impossible to understand the local's standpoint in life compared to one's own (for at least in my case) because of the difference in material abundance since childhood and because of this, I can hardly blame for the lack of morality and the incessant opportunism that some individuals resort to. It's easy to have high stantards when one doesn't have to lose anything because of them.

So, I've met one girl for sex and today I went to Dream Salon. I had booked a girl, but luckily I forgot to say it when I arrived early, so four girls came to show themselves and I was able to change (I did actually slip the name, so I made her feel bad probably. But this "Vika" had the cutest face when she laughed, it was a moment of emotional sincerity and since I try to choose girls based how honest and kind they appear to be, she was the girl to go to. It was my first time in such a massage, so at first I could ejaculate, it was weird. But then she tried a different approach, slow jerking off while lying next to me, head next to mine. And then I realized to use my imagination, instead of only focusing on bodily sensations. That got me over the edge.

I don't know how you are supposed to cum multiple times, because first half of the one hour massage (1500 +200 tip) you are on your stomach. Her English wasn't so good that I would ask if she would have jerked me off almost right at the start, so I could have had two times. But it was better this way, one big one.

Couple of girls I had established contact before arriving are not in Kiev now, so there went a lot of hours. Another two that I had a semi-good feeling seem to have kind of an attitude or personality that I don't find appealing. So at this moment, I have one pre-established contact that I'm looking forward to, and I'm trying Tinder. I have high hopes for a girl I found there, we'll meet up for a drink first. I think I'll keep 3000 as maximum price for first meeting, but the target price for subsequent hour-long meetings would be near 2000. That way I wouldn't think about money whenever I got the feeling for fucking.

There's a shitload of 18-23 year old Instagram girls in Tinder, collecting followers from older men. Also, I noticed an interesting manouver from a young lady in the center. One who had both the ass and the pants to make it noticeable. She was casually using her phone when I noticed her, as I walked past her. Little bit later she caught up with me and passed me, changed her walking line to directly in front of me, and at the next crosswalk, when the lights were red, she stopped, turned around and again focused on her phone. She dodn't make eye contanct, but at this point my intuition, which had first woken up by her way of making sure I see how amazing her thight ass is, came to alertness. Only as I passed by her did she make a very fast head movement to look at me, like she had been aware of me instead of focusing on her phone. This made me think was sge looking for someone to pay the settings for her Saturday night Instagram-pictures.

I don't know why a girl would look for a paying sponsor (for sex) from the streets, since there's all these apps. And I'm not confident enough to believe that she just likes older men and tried to get my attention to ask her number. Have you guys had similar exoeriences, or heard of such behavior?

[ShawMan74]

Getting back into the swing of things here on the forum (and one of the best borards of the forum I might add), just prepping for my upcoming stay in the jewel city of Kiev. I wanted to talk on a couple of topics that I see keep coming up in one form or another.

The first thing I want to talk about is the clandestine lesbian team. These are girls who hang out at clubs and pose as though they are with a friend of theirs, but what guys don't immediately realize is that they are more than just friends, they are actually life partners. There will be the "wife" and the pretty one. The latter is used to bait the guy in, but the former is usually quietly effing up in ways that cost the guy money he didn't want to spend. An example would be waiting for the guy to use the restroom to order expensive drinks for the table the guy may or may not have cash on hand to pay for, causing a situation where the group may be in a bind. Then the wife pops off about the guy's "duty" or whatever. Another is when they want to go to your place, but want to stop off at a store first. The wife of the duo will start shopping for a bunch of stuff and try pawning the guy off at the cashier to pay for it all. The rendezvous ends up at the guy's place, but a happy ending is all that they offer because ultimately they are for eachother. But the guy finds that out the hard way. They may not be bad people necessarily, but just understand that as much as the pretty one sells the idea that she is available to the guy (by context clues including any direct communication, etc), she never will be. It aint going to happen. They only come as a duo, by any means they will always find a way to exploit an extra cost, but at best a happy ending is all the guy is ever going to get. The guy will be made to waste time and resources in the meantime. This is how the duo gets by in life. The twist in all of this is that the wife is actually squandering the pretty one's life away in silly BS, but the pretty one won't realize it until it is too late.

The second thing I want to talk about is proper form. I am only learning this one through experience and am grateful to all those who are versed in ukrainian culture, who grace me with their friendship. These adventures teach me I am merely a student in this life. This culture has its particular protocols (which makes me love it more). I'll give an example of what I mean, so last time I was there (and I didn't report this), the oddest thing, out of nowhere I got lucky. I won't get into it (right now) but basically a girl at my hangout bar wanted to spend the night with me. As I explained to my driver / confidant, maybe the universe gave me "frequent flyer" credit or something? There was no compensation involved. Hell, I practically had to hand feed the poor thing breakfast in the morning and then slap her hand as she was trying to pay. Afterward, I asked my driver about what is the right way in such matters by ukrainian culture when the universe gives you a free one? He explained that what you do is be clandestine, "pay without paying". You tell the girl that you absolutely want to make sure she gets home safe and sound, and you put something like 300 UAH in her hand as you insist she take a cab home. Everyone knows no cab costs that much. And everyone knows she is going to take the train home and pocket the difference. But maybe she'll call you back).

[Member #4722]

Finally had my first true Kyiv hottie from Mamba. Tall blonde. For me she was a 7.5. Had fake pictures on mamba but sent me real pics via WhatsApp. She's in her early 20's and has a child. Says she got fat after kid but ditched her deadbeat ex and got a revenge body going. Great legs, amazing breasts and bubble butt + amazing face. 2500 + taxi and she let slip that she drove herself but I didn't complain about the extra 250. She said no kissing but we started kissing a lot during sex. She said no DATY but agreed she would on next visit. Covered blow job but very enthusiastic.

I will share this contact with only a couple good friends on this board so don't bother asking.

[CallSignRomeo]

1 - Why is this? Because she can have fake pics and create you problems if you refuse to oay her?

6 - why this? Because those places can be a trap with thieves who will steal your money?

Ivan has given some good advice, there is always possibility of getting robbed by accomplices of the girl in any country of the world including Ukraine.

[Member #4722]

Blue short hair? I'm asking if this happens to be the same girl I'm going to meet as my first one.

I think her hair color is kind of different than her profile but that's probably her.

[Desin]

The goth girl just left. She was actually really cute was pretty boring. She was tiny girl 21 probably under 100 pounds. It's funny because she stays in the same building as me in a dorm and she is one floor up from my apartment. I had some good weed and she likes to smoke so after our session she was smoking all my weed and had to tell her to leave. If she gave good service I would repeat for sure at 1200 but she was boring.

Blue short hair? I'm asking if this happens to be the same girl I'm going to meet as my first one.

[Ringudor]

1) Never invite a girl you never saw in real live to your hotel / apartment in Kyiv.

6) don't accept girls' invitations to continue party in some cool places in the middle of nowhere (either its her apartment or some cool night club in Kyiv suburbs).

Hope you enjoy your stay in Kyiv!

1 - Why is this? Because she can have fake pics and create you problems if you refuse to oay her?

6 - why this? Because those places can be a trap with thieves who will steal your money?

[Member #4722]

The goth girl just left. She was actually really cute was pretty boring. She was tiny girl 21 probably under 100 pounds. It's funny because she stays in the same building as me in a dorm and she is one floor up from my apartment. I had some good weed and she likes to smoke so after our session she was smoking all my weed and had to tell her to leave. If she gave good service I would repeat for sure at 1200 but she was boring.

[Member #4722]

Just finished my first week here. Two more to go. To the last guy that posted: 99.9% People exaggerate so much here and people take it as the truth.

Arrived with plans to have a drink at O'Brien's and watch a bit of the Euro match then go to sleep after 24 hours travel. I flirted with a few girls there and had a couple shots of Jameson then sleeping went out the window. I decided to go to Caribbean Club. It was very slow on Tuesday. Three ladies I had a lot of drama with in the past were there and that was awkward! It's a lot of the same girls there from my past visits and somewhat depressing. A new girl with pretty face told me it's $300 to take her back. I'm a confident guy and I told her I'll never pay more than 100. My friend that works there said everyone is asking for more money now. Flirted a bit with a tall hot civilian. That was nice. I wasn't planning on taking anyone back but at the end of the night myself and an older woman with huge breasts were the last ones leaving. I wanted to titty fuck her and asked if she would take 100 and off we went. Being not that hot, she was into me and I was able to do anything I wanted with her for three hours. Not the hottest woman but money well spent.

Met with one of my regulars. OK face great body. $100 for nice sex and then we spent the day together as good friends.

Met a girl Tori from Mamba. She has been there awhile. Very nice body but very business like. She was on period but offered me BBBJ and CIM for 1500 and that was what I was in the mood for.

Last night met a new girl off mamba. This one was a little more expensive $200 for three hours. She was older than her pics but petite and pretty hot. She was into me more than I with her, and she stayed 6 hours and I eventually had to tell her I'm tired. She was also down for anything and pretty sure she would have done BBFS. Won't repeat only because of price.

Tonight I have an emo / goth girl coming for 1200 UAH. I'm into that look and for like $40 no loss if she is no good. I have some interesting contacts set up from mamba all in the $100 range, including a young one I have a nice romantic connection with already.

It's hot as heck here now and the ladies are looking great with minimal clothing. Having a piva at outdoor cafe while writing this report, watching them all walk by!

[Ivan Buyan]

What is everyone's experience with girls that contact you on Tinder and offer a visit in exchange for a small present? It didn't take long after I set my location to Kiev and I a few girls trying to get into my hotel room. I will be in Kiev in early September. The plan is to set up some meetings with real girls and see how it goes. If this falls through I wouldn't mind having a backup plan that includes pros. Would not mind a recommendation or two.

Hey man,

99.9% you are contacted by regular or freelance hookers and likely scammers. No way I want to scare you or say that you should avoid Kyiv but you definitely need to use common sense and know few things about Tinder game in Kyiv.

1) Never invite a girl you never saw in real live to your hotel / apartment in Kyiv.

2) Never Invite a girl if you have doubts about her age.

3) Do not agree on a first date in a place offered by a tinder girl you never saw in real life.

4) Upload you real photo in Tinder. If you are approached by a girl who looks out of your league and she doesn't offer sex for money / present, then most likely you are contacted by scammers.

Few things I would add to help you avoid unnecessary time and money waste.

1) Come to Kyiv and stay alone for 2-3 days. Spend these days checking the places around your airbnb or hotel. Pick something you like with reasonable prices. Then you will know where to invite a girl on your conditions.

2) If you want just sex for money and don't want to choose with your eyes, then visit few strip clubs, show that you have money but don't be tooo generous not to look like a money bag and ask a security guy about taking girls to your place. Most strip clubs have dancers that don't mind making extra cash by prostitution.

3) don't get too drunk.

4) don't buy drugs from people you don't know even if hookers ask you about this. Chances are they will try to sell you some shit like its pure coke. Remember that all drugs (even weed) is illegal in Ukraine.

5) Use UBER.

6) don't accept girls' invitations to continue party in some cool places in the middle of nowhere (either its her apartment or some cool night club in Kyiv suburbs).

Hope you enjoy your stay in Kyiv!

[Ringudor]

Yesterday was a stripclub-night for me and rog123, first we decided to go to mint nosorog, less girls than usual, but still good vibes in the place, after some private dances we decided to move to princess, near Maidan, it was better than last time I was there (2 weeks ago) women usually a bit older than in nosorog, but some of them really hot, I got a private dance with a beautiful blonde girl then back home, rog123 stayed there until his money finished.

[PhotoSlider]

I'm very easily bored as well, both with people in general but also in sex. The way to keep regulars for me is to see them once a month. I also kinda hope that I would find a girl that would be that 'Princess' (although not one and only in sexual matters, but on attention-wise) for me. This will require certain kind of personality: a girl who is not acting to please me, but who pleases me by being herself. But it requires her to be the kind of girl who longs and lusts endlessly my attention and admiration. This way she will be very charming without actually faking it. I mean that she is not 'faking it', because this is her regular way of being in relation to men. To gain their attention.

Perfectly said. Being genuinely sincere is a must for any girl that shows the potential for becoming a candidate that you, Desin, would see once a month.

For me it's 3 days long for each regular on average. 4 to 6 regulars and then multiple hourly girls for my modus operandi)).

(I have this kind of a young woman in my life and it's very invigorating, even without fucking. I'd like to find the same kind of girl, but with added sex and money to the schema).

For me, money is the intermediator which keeps unnecessarily deep emotional attachment in bay with my relationship to the girl in question.

Agree. In my case money ensures that I have no regrets dismissing the objects of my admiration, or calling them up again. I learned from another great ISG Forum member that these beautiful young females are neither my SOs, nor GFs. And they gladly run back when I need them, because I treat them with respect, but try not to request anything in terms of "unnecessarily deep emotional attachment". Very well positioned, Desin!

And vice versa. It's hard to imagine a situation where it would be enjoyable to spend a whole day, never mind a week, with the same person without some kind of mutual emotional fondness of each other. So it might be extremely tricky (and lucky), but then again, for some it might worth it.

I appreciate Photoslider that you told the example of the guy who made his girls to know their role and expectations. Coming to think of it, this might be one of the things that could make such a longer relationship possible, because it reminds the woman that she is expected to learn his desires and fulfill them. It will give her a role to play, sort of. This can then guide her behavior and ease her own being as well: she knows her place, knows what is expected from her, and then can act accordingly. Like if there were a well-mannered party: certain things are approved, some are not, but everyone is expected to act accordingly. Anxiety and misbehavior raises when one doesn't know what is expected of her and what she can say and do, and what not. Boundaries. For servants and girls.

I would certainly explain in the very beginning that there should be genuinely passionate and sensual kissing + sex before going to sleep, and when we wake up. And along the way, humorous mentoring will ensure the expectations are clear. But I can steer only so infrequently. If her mother didn't educate sufficient manners, then good-bye, next one please.

The uniqueness of great Ukrainian ladies lies in their own unquenchable desire to please their men in and out of bed. And the former they do oh so skillfully! How else would you explain to the girl what is the most convenient for you few moments before both of you have an orgasm? The best ones anticipate and make it unforgettable in the most genuine way.

Regardless of the above, I wouldn't travel with a girl. The most I would do. Hire a travel guide to show me around.

Another consideration. Traveling with a single girl is relatively more expensive, no matter how you calculate it. Hourly or per intercourse. If I travel for business, and my hotel etc is paid, then I will not be able either to dedicate adequate time to her because of work, or be productive myself in the office. And if I travel for pleasure, then why should I pay for her airfare? I should either get the local girl (s) or go to the locality where they are abundant.

[PhotoSlider]

If a girl has period then you fuck her mouth or ass.

Sounds like a simple solution for that predicament.

Would you offer an equally smooth recommendation for those of us that like and very much require 69 and DATY, but stay away from rimming? You know, nothing against practicing the latter, just a matter of personal taste.

[Desin]

I'm very easily bored as well, both with people in general but also in sex. The way to keep regulars for me is to see them once a month. I also kinda hope that I would find a girl that would be that 'Princess' (although not one and only in sexual matters, but on attention-wise) for me. This will require certain kind of personality: a girl who is not acting to please me, but who pleases me by being herself. But it requires her to be the kind of girl who longs and lusts endlessly my attention and admiration. This way she will be very charming without actually faking it. I mean that she is not 'faking it', because this is her regular way of being in relation to men. To gain their attention.

(I have this kind of a young woman in my life and it's very invigorating, even without fucking. I'd like to find the same kind of girl, but with added sex and money to the schema).

For me, money is the intermediator which keeps unnecessarily deep emotional attachment in bay with my relationship to the girl in question. And vice versa. It's hard to imagine a situation where it would be enjoyable to spend a whole day, never mind a week, with the same person without some kind of mutual emotional fondness of each other. So it might be extremely tricky (and lucky), but then again, for some it might worth it.

I appreciate Photoslider that you told the example of the guy who made her girls to know their role and expectations. Coming to think of it, this might be one of the things that could make such a longer relationship possible, because it reminds the woman that she is expected to learn his desires and fulfill them. It will give her a role to play, sort of. This can then guide her behavior and ease her own being as well: she knows her place, knows what is expected from her, and then can act accordingly. Like if there were a well-mannered party: certain things are approved, some are not, but everyone is expected to act accordingly. Anxiety and misbehavior raises when one doesn't know what is expected of her and what she can say and do, and what not. Boundaries. For servants and girls.

[Floralys]

A member of this Forum asked for an advice. I decided to share my opinion here without mentioning his name, as IMHO situation is rather typical.

He met a girl in a certain city, liked her, left that city, missed her so much, then flew her out to a nearby city to meet again. And now is considering taking her on a trip in December to yet another location, but has concerns.

My thoughts are as follows:

Let's say we are talking about Kiev, Barcelona, Pattaya, German FKKs, or any other well known mongering destination. I think of those as The Disney World with lots of exciting rides. Some of them I like a lot, and may ride a few times on the same day. Some have long waiting lines. Some are too scary, and some might be too boring to my refined taste.

Would I ever wake up in the morning, and at the entrance to Epcot declare that I commit to get excited again and again and again on one and only ride time after time? No effing way! As great as it might be, I need variety. Besides, this ride may break, or require maintenance. Of course administration will give me a voucher and ask to come another day at my leisure, but fuck this shit! I prefer freedom and flexibility..

If a girl has period then you fuck her mouth or ass.