Kyiv

[ChiGuy3385]

Fellows here is my experience of Kiev so far.

Having quite a good time here. Enjoy don't t get drunk. Don't let ladies rip you off. Bargain reasonably. So far so good.

Are you able to hook up with local Ukrainian women because you speak Ukrainian? Or are these interactions in English. Sorry, I don't know what country you are from.

[Rugga]

Fellows here is my experience of Kiev so far.

Arrived Sunday night. Took 2 hours at airport. Covid test, SIM card queue had 20-25 people. Stress. Airport taxi desk closed. My Uber and Bolt accounts stopped working. Stress. Took bus to center arrived to hotel after midnight. Went for walk pretty quiet in the Center. Went to bed.

Next day met with a local date for dinner. I had matched with 10+ girls but had to filter them. I ignored those who provided shopping list of cosmetics. There were three that seemed like good girls. Lesya 28, beautician, she was nicer than her pics, easily a 7. She didn't ask for cab to come meet me nor did she expect money after dinner. Kisses in restaurant. Going good. I suggested we go to an Irish pub she agreed. Walking past my hotel I said let me show you an amazing view (meaning from my hotel room) but she took it the wrong way and made an excuse to get home as she works next day. Am confused but ok. Next day chatted a bit. Apparently suggesting an amazing view in Ukrainian means showing here you cock! But all ok I clarified that's not what I meant. Second date later today.

After she went home on Monday I visited a salon. 4 girls available two 7's in lineup but seemed bitchy. I took a 6 one for 1500 or 2000 / hour can't remember. Oral with. Great service. Convinced her to do A without any extra charge. Kisses no problem. 500 tip. Satisfied.

Tuesday: Met an old Ukrainian girlfriend Ira of 7 years ago. She's now married. Coffee. Some gentle touches at the cafe. Up to my room. Anal for old times sake. Feel guilty as she's married but fuck it she didn't decline the invite to my room. Cost of a croissant and coffee. CIM deep throat's no problem. Satisfied. Will see her again.

Wednesday: hot day. Phone charger fucked up. Bought new one. On way back to hotel saw a lady MILF looking at me at the hotel car park. She's giving me suggestive looks. I said Hi, she's said she's a tour guide. Cut a long story short 900 for an hour. She stayed 2 hours. Vaginal and anal included. OWO. She asked for 200 extra to give to hotel security. Kept her number chatted on WhatsApp she wants to meet in her apartment with her 25 year old friend. Price 1800 for two girls. Amazing bargain. Still to be scheduled. The friend is a 7 according the vid I was sent.

Wednesday night: having a beer on a terrace. Started chatting to a Ukrainian guy who works in my own country. Started chatting about local women. He goes for 8/9's only showed me pics of his women but he pays 5000+. Drank loads and dinner. He didn't let me pay my side of the bill. Top bloke. After he left went to a terrace bar on Krechatyk. Saw a girl having a drink. Made eye contact. Spoke she wants 3000 uah. I said I'm too drunk for sex maybe another day. She said give me what you can. 1500 one hour in my room 5 minutes away. But no real action after so much vodka and drinks with my new Ukrainian buddy. Went out for walk on Krechatyk. Saw a few girls who are obviously ladies of the night. In the end picked 19 year old. I would say an 8. Agreed 3000 for an hour. Was too drunk but She stayed all night. Owo, anal, kissing no problem. Sex again in the morning before she left.

Thursday. Meeting planned with Lesya and hopefully I will fuck a local non pro tonight.

Having quite a good time here. Enjoy don't t get drunk. Don't let ladies rip you off. Bargain reasonably. So far so good.

[Ivan Buyan]

I'm already planning my next excursion for some Kyiv mongering. However this time I plan to visit Lviv first, then onwards to Ivano Frankivsk, then finally landing in Kyiv.

My plan was to take the overnight train from Ivano-Frankivisk to arrive in Kyiv in the morning.

Is it safe for foreigners travelling alone to sleep in the Overnight train? I would of course book a 1st class cabin, but it seems that you cannot book a cabin to yourself.

Hey buddy,

First of all. It is super safe and you will never travel alone, there will be people in nearest cabins. I suggestion I always give. Never get drunk with people you don't know cause that's how most scams and thefts start.

I suggest you to do the trick I did several times. Buy all 4/2 sits in the cabin (you can buy all of them on your name, don't forget to cancel bed sheets and drinks for 3 places that will ve vacant, cause they are in the ticket by default and this will make you overpay a bit).

Don't fall for any international train booking sites which will charge you some fee. Always use https://booking.uz.gov.ua/en - this is government resource, its 100% trustworthy and save, has awesome interface and you simply need to save tickets to your smartphone (they will have QR code) which will be scanned by the lady in the train.

Ukrain trains are super cheap but not super comfortable though, I had one trip with my GF and we tried to have sex in the cabin -- not really good idea but may be fun to add it to your collection of unusual places for sex.

[VinDici]

Last October I took the overnight train from Lviv to Kyiv. Yes it's perfectly safe. Chances are you will have a room to yourself much of the trip so your door will be closed. For part of the trip you might have someone in the other bed. I just kept my backpack with valuables underneath the seat / bed I was sleeping on. Safety was not something I even thought about on the trip. Enjoy!

The overnight train just seems like such a great and cost effective solution, you get to visit another city, no need to pay for a hotel room, just take the late train and arrive in the morning ready to monger!

Thanks for the input guys, if I can time things with flights, I'll do the multi city trip with a train transfer, otherwise it'll just be Kyiv.

[Lucky Nuts]

I'm already planning my next excursion for some Kyiv mongering. However this time I plan to visit Lviv first, then onwards to Ivano Frankivsk, then finally landing in Kyiv.

My plan was to take the overnight train from Ivano-Frankivisk to arrive in Kyiv in the morning.

Is it safe for foreigners travelling alone to sleep in the Overnight train? I would of course book a 1st class cabin, but it seems that you cannot book a cabin to yourself.

Last October I took the overnight train from Lviv to Kyiv. Yes it's perfectly safe. Chances are you will have a room to yourself much of the trip so your door will be closed. For part of the trip you might have someone in the other bed. I just kept my backpack with valuables underneath the seat / bed I was sleeping on. Safety was not something I even thought about on the trip. Enjoy!

[PhotoSlider]

I've taken the overnight train 8 times over the last 8 years both with a girl and alone. I have stayed in both the 2 birth and 4 birth rooms. I Always felt safe. Not sure how much luggage you have, but if you are in a 2 birth room, there is space for a small bag beneeth your bed and also above the door.

I don't now why you couldn't book both beds in a 2 birth room. You would just have to pay for both.

Correct. Buy 2. I used to buy 1, and when the train is already moving, I ask the service person (conductor?) to move me to a vacant one, and pay like half or even less to him / her cash directly.

Did travel with girls as well. Lotsa fun.

Could be faster than a flight.

Lviv or Odessa certainly go by train. Besides it is much better safety than by car or even a bus. Too many accidents on the latter.

The only concern was Ukrainian Customs officer running their bribery extortion plays. I enjoyed it full extent being amused. If you do not cross the border. No worries. It is safe.

The other problem could be noise if someone is drinking. Happens on cheaper trains after soccer / football games. Again, I never experienced that in more expensive suits.

Make sure you choose fast train. And in the end, Ukraine is not that large, you are not traveling through Siberia for days and weeks.

[PhotoSlider]

Guys,

Thanks for your help here, which was useful in so many ways over the past and I decided to register here for our trip to Kiev. We'll be there the next days and I guess it will be fun, no matter if some sex is involved or not.

Of course we did some preparation and we have now a couple of girls on our phones.

My favorite is suggesting to go dancing at the Queens Kyiv", which I was googling and of course finding some rip off warnings from customers.

Have you heard of this place?

Where is it good to take the girls maybe after dinner? Do you have a recommendation for a cozy bar / speakeasy with some high class cocktails?

Like I was reading here: Better we choose the place.

WinBar in Podol is great for coctails:

Khoryva St, 16/7.

Serves good food as well. Not cheap, but not expensive either. Great for people watching. Older crowd - 25-40 years old.

Definitely good honest people. Ask for a tour of their wine cellar downstairs.

Queen is expensive, but kinda cool. Entertainment and shit:

https://en.queenkyiv.com/

Also honest, but certainly check your itemized receipt, as everywhere in Kiev or New York, or Paris.

Girls like it. I don't care. Prefer Avalon. Is not cheap either, but can be made affordable.

None of the above are for pickup. I have seen Italian boys leaving Avalon totally pissed off. Wrong expectations!

Where to go after dinner? Someone with high IQ recently said here that it is better take the girl to your apartment first, have a glass of champagne, make love to her, then another glass of champagne, followed by BJ or 69 or whatever strikes her fancy, and then 2-3 hours later go for food.

I usually rent my AirBnB next to Avalon, and call them for take out. These days they even do delivery. So my girl doesn't have to dress up, unless we leave for entertainment. Concert, music, theater. Kiev never stops.

To qualify and validate I invite my girls to Puzata Hata, very cheap fast food chain all over the Kiev. If she refuses. Ditch her, and go alone, or find another.

[YummyPL]

Is it safe for foreigners travelling alone to sleep in the Overnight train? I would of course book a 1st class cabin, but it seems that you cannot book a cabin to yourself.

I've taken the overnight train 8 times over the last 8 years both with a girl and alone. I have stayed in both the 2 birth and 4 birth rooms. I Always felt safe. Not sure how much luggage you have, but if you are in a 2 birth room, there is space for a small bag beneeth your bed and also above the door.

I don't now why you couldn't book both beds in a 2 birth room. You would just have to pay for both.

[VinDici]

I'm already planning my next excursion for some Kyiv mongering. However this time I plan to visit Lviv first, then onwards to Ivano Frankivsk, then finally landing in Kyiv.

My plan was to take the overnight train from Ivano-Frankivisk to arrive in Kyiv in the morning.

Is it safe for foreigners travelling alone to sleep in the Overnight train? I would of course book a 1st class cabin, but it seems that you cannot book a cabin to yourself.

[Ritzi01]

Guys,

Thanks for your help here, which was useful in so many ways over the past and I decided to register here for our trip to Kiev. We'll be there the next days and I guess it will be fun, no matter if some sex is involved or not.

Of course we did some preparation and we have now a couple of girls on our phones.

My favorite is suggesting to go dancing at the Queens Kyiv", which I was googling and of course finding some rip off warnings from customers.

Have you heard of this place?

Where is it good to take the girls maybe after dinner? Do you have a recommendation for a cozy bar / speakeasy with some high class cocktails?

Like I was reading here: Better we choose the place.

[Adindas]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57358241

For $250,000 he could f*ck thousands of Ukrainian girls better look and younger than his bride.

How many times we have read the story like this, but it keeps happening again and again. Because for some idiots their cocks rule their head.

There are already tons of Evidence. This is a another recent news in the Newspaper.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...=1490&ito=1490

Dumped 'sugar daddy' spared jail for stalking terrified ex-girlfriend after break-up.

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/uk...d-jail-5731072

He loaned her 160,000 to help her launch her boutique caf business, gave her a 33,000 Land Rover Discovery and paid her a 2,000-a-month allowance.

160,000 + 33,000 + 2,000-a-month allowance With this sum of money he could visit FKK almost everyday for the the rest of his life.

[Ivan Buyan]

Ukraine reformed police few years ago after revolution. Some locals say that nothing has changed but most admit that bribing-the-cops rates went down (though of course it is still possible) and police now works more effectively (since they increased their salaries and try to hire new young motivated people there to minimize the corruption).

The truth Ukraine police has a shit load of things to investigate besides 100 $ scams. Don't forget that Ukraine is on war which brings a lot of negative consequences to the society. Crime rates go up all over the country (especially robbery and theft).

You must be really naive to think Police has resources to investigate single cases of scam in regards to drunk foreigners at local night clubs.

The good thing is Ukraine is doing its best to be friends with EU and attract tourists, so when number of scam cases grow (especially in regards to foreigners), cops will investigate. Also remember that more than 50% of Ukrainians don't trust police which makes its hard to investigate scams cause most Ukrainians won't snitch=).

If you think that restaurants scam is a big issue, then you better know that Ukraine is among top leaders of call center scams in the whole world which is multi billion industry. Just check this article.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/inv...240710551.html

I advise you 3 things.

1) Don't get too drunk.

2) If you see you are being scammed. Call the police immediately (especially if they say you bought and did not pay).

3) Visit only places with good reputation, there's a plenty of them in Kyiv.

[Guntherus]

….. short girls see high demand so the prices have actually gone little up. ….

I want to confirm this. In July I was told that the Saudis can now travel visa-free to UA and occupied most of the apartments in Kyiv-centre. I stayed off-centre for the first time, and it was actually OK for my regular friends.

[ChronoTrigger]

Flip. Seems mongering prospects are at an all time low in Lviv, Odessa, and Kiev. Not from lack of trying, the only good results I had was old contacts: A 6.5 in Kiev that let me bareback creampie for 2000 HRV+taxi, and a 7.5 in Odessa that lets me bareback but no creampie for 2000 HRV. Was coming on here to lament, but from the prices and services others are reporting, I feel like I'm boasting. Moral of the story: If you find a good one, keep her.

A year ago I had a 6. 5 in Odessa that let me bareback creampie for 1500 HRV but she decided to play the 'I'm pregnant give me 3000 HRV " so we stopped business.

[NorskKing]

Law enforcement doesn't exclude that the girls luring the foreigners in, would also be treated as suspects.

https://www.unian.net/incidents/poch...-11501119.html

Ukraine clearly want to please EU leaders and need to sort and reduce such crime. It is his that girls fear this might happen. I had a week in Kiev and just returned. I will write my detail post soon. In short girls see high demand so the prices have actually gone little up. Some aggressive scammers in the kreschatick street but most of the tricks are already mentioned here.