Kyiv

[Stevie69]

What is with this deal of paying "for taxi"? Why would transportation be charged separately? How about hair? Makeup? The dress? Lingerie? Why stop at "taxi" and not get an itemized bill? It is ridiculous! Transportation is part of the cost of doing business. Besides, unless they are hardened pros and use the service's driver, they probably do not even use a taxi. They use the Metro, just like every other pretty girl in town. I sometimes have offered them to send them my limo, but the offer has always been declined. No, I do not have a limo, but I was confident they would not go for it. I suppose I could have ordered a limo service, or just a private car, but I have never had to do so. There is no such thing as "taxi". It is just part of the cost of doing business. Insist on an all inclusive price.

[Stevie69]

Yes, but the thing is that an "average looking girl" in Kiev is absolutely fantastic compared to the average looking girl in any major city in, say, North America. Obesity is not a major problem and femininity is still important. So, they are beautiful, slim, and elegant. Second, some people might prefer amateurs over $400/ hour hard core professionals. As some girls have explained to me, most women are opportunistic semi-pros. If they do have sex, why not get paid for it. I have had girls introduce me to friends, younger friends (a friend's daughter, almost like a niece) , and even older friends (a work collogue or family friend). All these girls have jobs and earn a regular salary. If they like you even a little and earn less than 20 K UAH per month, a couple of thousand UAH is a good added incentive for something that they enjoy anyways. Of course, you have to treat them well, have some charm, and not be too disgusting.

So, just to summarize everything that's been described earlier. I'm not really discouraging you for visiting Kiev. Perhaps if your expectations are on the realistic side than you still may succeed in fucking average looking girls for 2500 UAH per hour. But even if you're ready to spend big bucks to have a good time there is no guarantee that you'll get what you want. Yes there were times long back (almost 20 years ago) when Ukraine and Russia where like epicenters of European mongering and there were hundreds of girls available for a reasonable price. But those times have gone long time ago and today you have much better option getting Ukrainian girl from an escort agency in Paris, Rome, London or Toronto for 300 $-500 $ than if you did the same in Kiev. Specifically, if you're visiting Kiev for a short period of time then your only options are GIA, Apartment and Strip Clubs. You may only succeed in the long-term game trying to find girls of your dreams or whatever but it's more like finding a needle in a haystack.

[ShawMan74]

Yesterday I talked via whatsapp with an agent in Kyiv that I've known for a while. He said he knows of about 7 or 8 apartments still open. I will share his contact info with you if you want it ShawMan. Or with any other member who has contributed significantly to the ISG forums. PM me.

Yes please, I would like that. Maybe he can help me with finding something more GFE / str with the possibility of LTR.

I think that's been my problem. I know that I'm here for the long haul, and I plan on being a familiar face here for years to come. The quick cold mechanical professional is for horny college kids who have a little less than a week here and about a week's worth of allowance saved up. Her objective is to get the experience over with as soon as possible so as to save her make-up and her energy for the next customer. A job shop mentality screws me over for the kind of value I bring to the table. I deserve a deeper, more committed quality. And that's what's demoralized me.

Well 3 weeks may be lost but I still have 4 more in the chamber, and them's fightin' odds! Down but not out!

[ShawMan74]

Can you please share a link to your contact?

There's no link, it's a personal contact.

[Lucky Nuts]

If you're a local guy who speaks the language, it's your season. And bully for you if you also happen to be young, financially ok, and good-looking to boot. But in a word, this old bird just ain't the same. It may be a jewel city, but it's not the magical place I fell head over heels for back in '19.

I'm going to get back out there again, maybe tomorrow, I don't know. Actually I had a long diagnostic style report written out about Kiev '21 but in reviewing it, I realize I've been demoralized, so I need to be mindful.

Yesterday I talked via whatsapp with an agent in Kyiv that I've known for a while. He said he knows of about 7 or 8 apartments still open. I will share his contact info with you if you want it ShawMan. Or with any other member who has contributed significantly to the ISG forums. PM me.

[SprKiev21]

Ukrgo is where independents advertise to locals. I don't use the site myself and you probably need Russian or Ukrainian skills:

http://ukrgo.com/view_subsection.php?id_subsection=146

Following is local review site, which is incredibly difficult to navigate, so I am linking to one review, for 800/500, or presumably $29/ hour, $19/ half-hour. So there's your cheap blow and go. Guy wrote a short novella about his experience and appears satisfied (I skipped to the conclusion and didn't read the entire novella):

http://www.kiev-x.in/viewtopic.php?p=1238

Kiev-x. In. Even for guys who don't speak any Russian it's still a great resource because 99.9% of reports on this site are very negative (but truthful)) so if you google phone number for a girl and this site pops up. That simply means a red flag. Local guys do not have any tendency to share positive experiences with each other and mostly visiting girls under $100 hour so the truth is that you will not get any pretty girl for this price.

[SprKiev21]

London and Paris are upscale also. I get those prices there. What I was looking for is local information. You can be sure the local hornet male on modest wages are not paying American prices.

Must be places, I'll search and report back.

If you're looking for cheap sex than you better get English-speaking driver by arena who will take you to apartments. Just tell him that your budget should not exceed $50 per hour so he'll drive you to few shit-hole places so you may find something that fits the bill. Keep in mind. You will not get anything decent in Kiev for less than $150 - and don't even hope that I'm joking.

You can try ukrgo only if you speak Russian and the local guys use this site a lot to get laid, but 90% postings on ukrgo will lead you back to the same cheap apartments or massage places with below-average looking girls.

[SprKiev21]

After 4 hours around 2 am, she asked me to take her home. I asked the price and she it is 400 USD and the manager came. She then talked to him in Russian and came back to me telling to give me 300 USD. Probably she renegotiated it for me or it was 300 USD to begin with I do not know or do not care. She did not wanted to have my extra 100 USD which I already said yes to (lots of drinks in me and she gained my trust as a human).

Good job man. $300 is a standard price across all cubs. But these days it's not easy to pull out a good looking girl even for this price)) I've also got lucky at Princes few months ago and that was a pleasant surprise case Princes used to be a shit-hole and now look much better. Have you visited Rio by any chase? Just curious about your opinion (if you did).

[Riina]

If not for my contact from before, I probably would've tapped out.

Can you please share a link to your contact?

[ShawMan74]

If you're a local guy who speaks the language, it's your season. And bully for you if you also happen to be young, financially ok, and good-looking to boot. But in a word, this old bird just ain't the same. It may be a jewel city, but it's not the magical place I fell head over heels for back in '19.

Not for lack of sex, but socially speaking, the quality of companionship is dogshit.

It was a long 3 weeks, and I have 1 more month to go. If not for my contact from before, I probably would've tapped out.

So far I've only had sex 4 times with 3 different girls at 2 different incalls. Through the contact ofc. Each one was incall to meet. Can't give location because I don't know the exact street numbers.

Bonnie - 21 yo lovely redhead spinner, all natural, no tattoos, very demure. Regular usual session details, had to work my way to making out. Really nice BBBJ to finish for tip. 2000/ HR incall + 500 tip (my choice).

Erica - 19 yo blonde out of a 90's video, all natural, no tattoos, new to the biz, short, and cute. Regular usual session details, warm person but no making out. 4000/ HR outcall + 300 taxi (non-negotiable).

Bonnie again - Pussy is loose as hell but I like her) this was a golden session, nonstop passion for 1. 5 hrs. 3000 outcall + 100 taxi + 1000 tip (my surprise).

Sveta - Stunning blonde spinner, all natural, no tattoos, lady gaga look-a-like. Regular usual session details, cold person (part of that might've been my fault) and no making out, but great in bed. 3000/ HR outcall + 300 taxi.

I'm going to get back out there again, maybe tomorrow, I don't know. Actually I had a long diagnostic style report written out about Kiev '21 but in reviewing it, I realize I've been demoralized, so I need to be mindful.

[Questner]

So then guys, I will be visiting Kyiv again in a few weeks and this time I'd like to take a regular to the Opera or Theater. The requirement however is the establishment must have a private box so I can book this for the 2 of us and get a discreet handjob during the performance when the lights are dimmed.

Does anyone know of a theater or opera house that has those kind of seats? I don't care what the production is, since I do not understand Ukrainian / Russian anyhow.

https://opera.com.ua/about/plan-zali

[VinDici]

So then guys, I will be visiting Kyiv again in a few weeks and this time I'd like to take a regular to the Opera or Theater. The requirement however is the establishment must have a private box so I can book this for the 2 of us and get a discreet handjob during the performance when the lights are dimmed.

Does anyone know of a theater or opera house that has those kind of seats? I don't care what the production is, since I do not understand Ukrainian / Russian anyhow.

[Fred54]

Hi all,

So. First visit of 2 weeks in Kiev for a non Russian speaker to visit the city and find a nice girl. I can't say I go first for girls, but I pay attention to them of course.

I didn't go through agencies or online adv, I only played dating apps.

Tinder is a big waste of time, 2 contacts with no results. But one interesting discussion with a girl who had a good situation and a head. She said the dating scene in Kiev is very big, but she recognized it's also fucked due to a lot of stupid bikini girls. The kind of beautiful girls who want a luxury life for free and without effort. It was hard for her to find someone "honest" and interested by her.

Mamba. A lot of contact and some great contacts. Also some nice scams.

To do short - 2 amazing girls, beginning of 20's. A small brunette with nice blue eyes, 2 hours meetings for 4500 uah, it was 2 hours of sex without a break. This girl has a job and do sometimes some extra for shopping. I will meet her again with pleasure.

The second one was a nice blonde, she was also looking for a bit of money, but suddenly no more answer. A few days after she said it was not a good idea, she never did that before and it's not the best way to fix her problem.

I said it can be smart, like sexfriends. I will offer also some chocolates. A few hours after, she agreed for a meeting, without asking a price for money. You gave what you want she told me. We met 2 times, first was 2 hours meeting for 4500 + presents, the second one was restaurant +1 h for 2500.

This blonde girl was absolutely amazing, after the shy time, very good experience and her body was just perfect. Boobs, ass, legs. Really.

I also do the scam restaurant experience, 2 times. The first time I followed just to have a look, as I declined the night drink to meet the girl in daytime. I paid 1 glass and I left. One week after, another girl, same process. And same car. A brand new Mercedes. I politely declined to follow.

I also do a short visit to princess strip club, nice place but I would say I was no impressed by the girls in after my 2 mambas girls, I even didn't tried to date one of them. I just enjoyed the show and do a few lapdance.

I can also add that Kiev is full of amazing girls everywhere, if it was possible I can say I would date maybe 25% of the girls / ladies I saw in the street. A real eyes pleasure.

One advantage of Kiev is that everybody has a phone in hands, and nobody pays attention to that. It's really easy to take notes, do a picture or a screenshot for a map apps to remember or check later.

I will go again in this city for sure.

[Riina]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zSlpqw4IU4

This youtuber jumped in to help a scam victim in Odessa. That's a man, he's going to get pussy in Ukraine.

[NorskKing]

This is a report for a trip that was in Mid July and I was there in Kiev only for a week. So it was short trip which clearly was focused on old mamasan contact, clubs, stripclubs and nightclubs.

I do not want to repeat the stuff that most of the good contributors have already mentioned. So just some highlights and hope that it would help few others.

1) There are lot of tourists from Arab countries, with deep pockets I guess and it seems the girls got used to prefer them as they are sure that these Arabs came with deep pockets.

There is certain change in attitude in general from many of them and of course the prices of the girls and services have gone little up. Still in average, lower prices than western Europe prices of my experience. These Arabs seems to be picking up the top available girls from everywhere. Nightclubs, stripclubs, pros in other areas etc, but seem to be leaving out 7's and 6's. Never have I seen girls with 6 and 7 body wise so much desperate as there are no other tourist from other countries to entertain them. This is based on two experiences, one in the stripclub and the other in the erotic massage place where both were 7's (my scale relative to my mileage).

2) Taxi guys are aggressive in terms of approaching me and the scammers with throwing the money bundle seems to have increased (or probably I was lucky for that entertainment) but I did not bite any bait.

3) I had 5 different girls with an average price of 5000 UAH for two hours from this broker. One of them suddenly became extremely flirty to super boring mechanical sex in a heartbeat. It was like a split personality or whatever but I have not done anything wrong to correct myself, so no learning and no good sex was waste of money.

4 other girls were amazing as I normally spend 30 minutes or more to just make them feel relaxed and make them feel super comfortable. They gave me GFE experience later with one of them staying overnight for no additional price.

The Princess stripclub experience was good. I went there with no intentional to bring back anyone, but after spending 3-4 hours with this girl "Aanastisia" (if I am spelling it right?

When I went there, I told extremely politely and with respect to the girls approaching me and asking for lapdance that I am going to be there in the club for a while and I am NOT going to make the main rain, but also I am not going to be cheap at all. Many of them just went back except this girl. She just smiled and sat next to me and She did not request any lapdances, she did not force me to buy drinks, she seemed like she just want to sit and talk and have a good day with me. We started talking, and slowly I started ordering normal drinks and then hookah and then food and she started talking about the behind the scenes details of other girls, I started tipping girls who were really enjoying the dance they were performing. I normally go to stripclubs and see the girls as just someone doing their job as normal as other jobs. These girls put a lot of effort into this kind of setup so I respect them (not in a way that they can misuse my respect).

After 4 hours around 2 am, she asked me to take her home. I asked the price and she it is 400 USD and the manager came. She then talked to him in Russian and came back to me telling to give me 300 USD. Probably she renegotiated it for me or it was 300 USD to begin with I do not know or do not care. She did not wanted to have my extra 100 USD which I already said yes to (lots of drinks in me and she gained my trust as a human).

Now when we reached our apartment, she was quite high too, she gave me the best sex of Kiev (and it was high standard to beat my old good experiences). We did not sleep until 7 am and when we woke up again in the evening at 4 pm, she kissed me as if it was her last day to live and she left.

That is some good experience.

The show around girls were just show around girls. But I was not expecting anything to happen due to lack of time that I needed to invest to get any fruitful results with them.

I am a very confident person, and I know what I want at what price range, so it is not easy to scam me. I am also careful and can to a great extend understand when a girl is trying too hard to gain my trust. But for those who are not so confident in the scene, there might be few unpleasant hiccups.

What others say about scams, bad experience is very believable, but I strongly believe that those are because you are portraying yourself as a desperate tourist. The energy and confidence of a man is visible to many.

I had few drinks in me now, so its time for me to rest. Stay safe my friends and be confident out there.

FYI: I have no issues crossing the immigration as I have a green EU covid certificate. I stayed in US for 3 months and came back to Norway so I took Jansen vaccine in US which is only 1 shot to get the EU pass.