Seeking Arrangements

[BrizLad]

I have previously mentioned that among the 25 gals that I hooked up with on SA, over a period of 20 months on the site, that about 12 or 13 were freebies.

Why only 25 gals total? I was picky and I avoided pros. And when I found a few gals that I liked, then I was happily set for a few weeks or months.

You also have to factor the country and the culture difference. A western guy hunting in China adds dynamic also.

[WyattEarp]

Basically, about 50% of the women you met, never brought up PPM / money discussion, correct? How many women have you contacted in total to get to those numbers (25 hook ups, 12/13 freebies)? Thousands? Your numbers are impressive, honestly. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or is it just a bad luck?

Midwestern, I think you need to delineate the situation in China versus the United States. Western men are very popular with Chinese and other Asian women. There is more of the long-game husband search for many of these women.

[MiamiBoy1]

I have previously mentioned that among the 25 gals that I hooked up with on SA, over a period of 20 months on the site, that about 12 or 13 were freebies.

Why only 25 gals total? I was picky and I avoided pros. And when I found a few gals that I liked, then I was happily set for a few weeks or months.

More importantly, how did I score the freebies? It was never my intention to score freebies, but it just happened. Based on the dozen freebies that I scored, I hate to generalize, but here is a rough breakdown as follows.

Some were brand new to SA. It was not only their first day on SA, but maybe even their first hour on SA. I immediatley chatted them up and if there was any chemistry, I immediately suggested a meet and greet for that same night or soon thereafter. And so, they were not yet jaded and I could set their expectations.

Some were in it for the long game. Hoping to marry a rich guy. I know that at least one of my former freebies eventually did marry a rich guy, as I saw her huge engagement ring on her social media about a year after we were together.

Some were decently employed and were not desperate for money. They just wanted to have fun, with me picking up the tab, and liked having a "rich" boyfriend.

And then there were the PPMs that later became freebies. I did not include them in my list of 12 or 13 freebies. If I count PPMs that I converted to freebies, then my number of freebies is in the high teens. Remember, I only met with non pros. And with non pros, after they have been with you intimately for a few weeks, they do not want to stop seeing you. I was like a friend to them, that they had fun with, and that they shared quality intimacy with. Gosh, I don't know how many PPM gals later said to me that I did not have to give them anything. I am not rich, super fit, or young. I was just a fun and easy going guy, and I was not creepy or weird in bed.

But at the end of the day, I was always prepared to help them out financially. If you are going to be on SA, you cannot be cheap about it. I did not seek freebies. Just happened. And in fact, IMHO, PPM is better than a freebie. With freebies, there's always this sense of mystery and discomfort about what is she in this for. So if you do not mind my advice, I suggest not seeking freebies on SA. It is being cheap, and always worrying about the other shoe to drop is not worth it. Aren't there websites for freebies? Like friend finder or tinder or match or plenty of fish and etc?

Basically, about 50% of the women you met, never brought up PPM / money discussion, correct? How many women have you contacted in total to get to those numbers (25 hook ups, 12/13 freebies)? Thousands? Your numbers are impressive, honestly. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or is it just a bad luck?

[Midwestern]

I have previously mentioned that among the 25 gals that I hooked up with on SA, over a period of 20 months on the site, that about 12 or 13 were freebies.

Why only 25 gals total? I was picky and I avoided pros. And when I found a few gals that I liked, then I was happily set for a few weeks or months.

More importantly, how did I score the freebies? It was never my intention to score freebies, but it just happened. Based on the dozen freebies that I scored, I hate to generalize, but here is a rough breakdown as follows.

Some were brand new to SA. It was not only their first day on SA, but maybe even their first hour on SA. I immediatley chatted them up and if there was any chemistry, I immediately suggested a meet and greet for that same night or soon thereafter. And so, they were not yet jaded and I could set their expectations.

Some were in it for the long game. Hoping to marry a rich guy. I know that at least one of my former freebies eventually did marry a rich guy, as I saw her huge engagement ring on her social media about a year after we were together.

Some were decently employed and were not desperate for money. They just wanted to have fun, with me picking up the tab, and liked having a "rich" boyfriend.

And then there were the PPMs that later became freebies. I did not include them in my list of 12 or 13 freebies. If I count PPMs that I converted to freebies, then my number of freebies is in the high teens. Remember, I only met with non pros. And with non pros, after they have been with you intimately for a few weeks, they do not want to stop seeing you. I was like a friend to them, that they had fun with, and that they shared quality intimacy with. Gosh, I don't know how many PPM gals later said to me that I did not have to give them anything. I am not rich, super fit, or young. I was just a fun and easy going guy, and I was not creepy or weird in bed.

But at the end of the day, I was always prepared to help them out financially. If you are going to be on SA, you cannot be cheap about it. I did not seek freebies. Just happened. And in fact, IMHO, PPM is better than a freebie. With freebies, there's always this sense of mystery and discomfort about what is she in this for. So if you do not mind my advice, I suggest not seeking freebies on SA. It is being cheap, and always worrying about the other shoe to drop is not worth it. Aren't there websites for freebies? Like friend finder or tinder or match or plenty of fish and etc?

I read so many stories here about how a monger found a super hot SB, fucked her and she did not ask for a dime. I understand that we all pay one way or another, but I consider wine & dine, accommodations, taxi / flight expenses standard. No matter how and where I meet a girl, I'm ready for these expenses. I've been using SA for over a year now, and I would say, from my experience, that 95%+ of the girls that I ever contacted, asked me for money. All of them wanted to hear a specific number, per hour, per multiple hours, per date BEFORE we even meet. Red flag, right? For many of you, it would be a no go situation. If I decline to agree to a specific rate / number, or negotiate it, they all lose interest and stop responding or just tell me they are not interested. If I were to reject every single girl that asks for money, I would have pretty much zero options to choose from. Okay, maybe a few %. I'm not ugly, not old, dress and smell well. My SA profile is almost 100% complete with a bunch of real good quality photos of me. I must admit that my standards are a bit high, I'm picky af. I only contact girls that I consider to be 7+. I guess if I had lower my standards, I would find a freebie who just wants to wine and dine, or just date a foreigner. I'm not looking for freebies specifically, this is not my priority, but it would be nice to have 1 or 2 in the mix sometimes and feel like a real boyfriend. Because when cash does not exchange hands, it just feels so much better and natural. So, how do you find freebies or non-pros? What is your strategy?

[Akibono]

Agree. Awesome report. And so much the "correct" SB experience. A true girlfriend for 24 hours because she wants to. There is no pro going to hang with you overnight for $300. I simply love when these girls decide to stay the night. To me that's the ultimate "I enjoy being with you" statement. Because they truly don't have to. Money is the same regardless. So it's really her choice to hang with you. Totally awesome.

It's really about trust. You are correct, it goes both ways. For some reason, probably ego, when money is less obvious, I am more generous. I hate being an ATM. You get back what you give. Most girls are a bit insecure. Lots of guy try to get something for nothing. Others are just flakes. They get ghosted and rejected a lot. So, the defensive mechanism is to reject us first. Staying overnight is an indication she trusts you. I believe actions are more reliable than words.

[Steve 9696]

Great report. Adding Madrid to my cities to visit.

Agree. Awesome report. And so much the "correct" SB experience. A true girlfriend for 24 hours because she wants to. There is no pro going to hang with you overnight for $300. I simply love when these girls decide to stay the night. To me that's the ultimate "I enjoy being with you" statement. Because they truly don't have to. Money is the same regardless. So it's really her choice to hang with you. Totally awesome.

[Steve 9696]

I read so many stories here about how a monger found a super hot SB, fucked her and she did not ask for a dime. I understand that we all pay one way or another, but I consider wine & dine, accommodations, taxi / flight expenses standard. No matter how and where I meet a girl, I'm ready for these expenses. I've been using SA for over a year now, and I would say, from my experience, that 95%+ of the girls that I ever contacted, asked me for money. All of them wanted to hear a specific number, per hour, per multiple hours, per date BEFORE we even meet. Red flag, right? For many of you, it would be a no go situation. If I decline to agree to a specific rate / number, or negotiate it, they all lose interest and stop responding or just tell me they are not interested. If I were to reject every single girl that asks for money, I would have pretty much zero options to choose from. Okay, maybe a few %. I'm not ugly, not old, dress and smell well. My SA profile is almost 100% complete with a bunch of real good quality photos of me. I must admit that my standards are a bit high, I'm picky af. I only contact girls that I consider to be 7+. I guess if I had lower my standards, I would find a freebie who just wants to wine and dine, or just date a foreigner. I'm not looking for freebies specifically, this is not my priority, but it would be nice to have 1 or 2 in the mix sometimes and feel like a real boyfriend. Because when cash does not exchange hands, it just feels so much better and natural. So, how do you find freebies or non-pros? What is your strategy?

I am with you that it's rare to find a girl that doesn't want to settle amount before the date. Probably only 2-3 of the twenty five or so seeking girls I've banged. That said settling a PPM amount before the date does not make them a pro. I'the say pretty much all the girls and I consider them non pros. They are just girls that can live in the moment and enjoy time with a guy they like a the come out a bit better off. They surely do not consider themselves pros and will be mightily offended if you do.

That said I think getting freebies on SA is wrong. They are on SA for sugar. Them giving you sugar and you not giving it back is just wrong IMO. At least that is how I play.

[Steve 9696]

If you are not super fat, not super old, and / or not super ugly, then SBs and even pros will fuck you happily for more than your money.

I am not super fat, I am not super old, and I am not super ugly, and so many WGs and SBs like both me and my money, not just my money.

Yes, there might be some gals that only like me for my money, but usually I will not see them again, especially an SB.

Will any of these gals see me without money? I admit, probably not. Do many of them like me for more than just the money? Probably yes.

Absolutely spot on. Well said!

[Oneminuteboy]

Great report. Adding Madrid to my cities to visit.

[LshRoomer]

I've been back for about 2 weeks now and I finally have a chance to write this report. It's my first report here, just sharing the experience.

To all those that gave Madrid feedback / advice, thank you! I was blown away by the reception, quality, and responsiveness in Madrid. There were so many girls ready to meet that I literally had my pick of the litter. Some of the girls that I couldn't meet are still asking me over whatsapp when I plan to return. I'm kicking myself for not jumping into the Madrid pool so much earlier. PPM in Madrid comes out to 200/300 euro, from my limited experience. And in my case, it included an overnight (not negotiated, it just happened).

Elizabeth (Lili), 24/26??

She was cool on SA, so we moved over to whatsapp. I had no intention of meeting her during the 2 days I had. There were about 3 other girls that were already chomping at the bit to hang out. She was probably my 3rd or 4th preference. I had a date already scheduled for 8 pm, so I was set.

Around 5/6 Lili wrote me and asked what I was doing that night. I told her I had plans and that we should try for the next day. She mentioned earlier that she wanted to hang out around 10 pm. I had plans for 8 but work was quickly getting in the way. Lili wrote me again and told me she was bored. Work was going to kill my 8 pm but I knew that I would be done by 10. She sent me a voice message telling me how bored she was. So I asked her if she wanted to come over and chill with me, and she accepted, after asking me 100 times if I was serious. I started to think it was a bad idea.

She was about an hour away and during her trip to me, she just seemed like a crazy girl. She kept asking if I was going to be there, or if I was going to stand her up. Am I serious about meeting? I'm starting to shoot myself thinking that I chose the wrong girl. There was a starbucks on the corner, and I told her that I was going to grab a coffee and she was surprised that I asked her what she wanted. Starbucks ended up closing as I got there and this would repeat throughout the night. When she finally gets to the plaza, she texted me and I told her that I changed my mind about meeting (joke) and she called me like, WTF, it just took an hour to get here. Are you serious! I walked toward her on my cell while telling her that I'm sorry I just can't make it. LOL. She saw me and just started laughing. So we hugged and got off to a good start. Once we got together, I could see all her anxiety disappear. I suggested grabbing a quick drink before trying a tapas place that I found online. She was down. After the drink, we started our mission for food. It was late and there were plenty of people out, but the restaurants were closing. We couldn't find food anywhere. It was literally closing time everywhere. We went to about 5 places that all were closing as we walked in the door. We found a chill place that was still open and ate / drank outside. This was not a fancy place at all, but they had the best olives I've ever tasted in my life. I realized that I've been robbed all these years of eating olives. I had no idea they could be this good.

I find out she is an english teacher and an actress. After looking for another place to have a drink and failing, we decided to head back to my place. We would have had to go too far in order to get to a good bar, so we went with the easy option. Once we arrived, it was all good and very comfortable. We chatted on the couch and she continued to tell me more about her situation. We took pictures and just chilled. We were both drunk and we both took edibles, so we were super chill and just chatting.

It started getting late, so it was time to put the moves on her. I came in the living room and told her that I was about to sleep and walked over to her to give her goodnight kiss. As she was sitting on the couch, I stood in front or her and leaned in for a kiss on the cheek. The kiss was slow and definitely suggestive. I then kissed the other cheek, touching her nose with mine as I switched, still taking it slowly, while also stroking her hair (I'm a hair guy). She put her hand on my face and kissed me with a gentle peck and a look that foretold of more to come. She pulled me closer for more kisses as I mounted her kinda like a girl would mount you if you were sitting on the couch (obvious I didn't' put all my weight on her! As I kissed her and roamed all over freely, I could tell she was really into it. Every peck on the neck or shoulder was met with a moan that seemed uncontrollable. I've found that a lot of girls like when you are on top of them like this. There is a certain dominance mixed with pleasure that really makes them melt. I pull her head back by her hair in order to kiss her neck as she moaned and continued to grab me in a way that said, "what are you waiting for? She took off my shirt and started the nipple sucking. I love that feeling. We ended up laying down on the couch still making out as I started to undo her dress and disrobe her from the top down. As I undid her bra, I was immediately greeted by a pierced left nipple that she asked me to be careful with. Dress came fully off and I reached down to test the waters as she kisses my shoulders and even the top of my head. She was very sensual. She asked if I had a condom and I almost shot myself. I only had one condom and I was probably out of luck to find another one. At this point, I knew I would go through at least 3 condoms by the morning time and was stuck with just making the one last for one big hurrah.

We stand up and make our way to the bedroom. She lays down with no hesitation and the make out session continues. When I touch her again, I see that she is even more wet than before. I roam her whole body with my hands and as always got a good look at what's down below. It's important to know if all is well. Shaved, not shaved, bumps / no bumps, smell / no smell. She was clean and ready to go. The kissing began again chest to chest but I wasn't on top of her, more on the side where I could touch her whole body from head to feet. I moved further up and she put it in her mouth with no hesitation. I stuck with the blowjob for about 30 seconds but was much more interested in what her sensual sex game was like. Rolled down the bag as she waited, rubbing my thighs. We start in mish slow, lot of kissing. She was not the greatest kisser, but she wasn't bad, problably hadn't come across a certain kissing style before. She is loving mish and everytime I touch the clit, she squeezes my arm or whatever her hand is near. Her body was nice. She was short and thin with wide hips but not skinny. Mish turns into banging her on the side, which turns into doggy. I felt her pushing her hips up too high during doggy, so I gently pulled her hips back in order to make the connection more comfortable (less pressure bending my junk). The session escalated and the doggy pounding got harder, as I grabbed her arms or her hair, her response each time was suggesting to do it more. LOL. Finally bust in the bag and she collapsed on the bed and said "Wow" . Hahahah. I still laugh in my head when I think of her laying on the bed and the only thing that came to her mind was "wow" LOL. Got cleaned up and she asked if she could stay but said that she can't sleep without the TV on and complained that there was no TV in the bedroom. She slept on the couch and I slept in the bedroom. The next morning, I gave her 250 eu and she seemed surprised (we agree on 200). I called her a bolt (like Uber) and before she left she gave me the let's bang again eyes, but I had no condoms (I'm still mad about that). She hugged me at the door with a strong hug. It actually surprised me because it was prolonged and strong. She texted me when she got home and hit me two days later to hang out again and about a week ago asking when I'll be back.

She was super cool and for anyone that says that SA girls are just escorts, I can't emphasize enough that though they may have sex for money, they are definitely not pros. Pros don't do all night for 200 euros and they usually don't call you to hang out. Just saying. I totally plan on seeing her next time I'm in town. I now have a reason to check out Spain. I waited waaaay too long to check out this gem.

[MiamiBoy1]

I read so many stories here about how a monger found a super hot SB, fucked her and she did not ask for a dime. I understand that we all pay one way or another, but I consider wine & dine, accommodations, taxi / flight expenses standard. No matter how and where I meet a girl, I'm ready for these expenses. I've been using SA for over a year now, and I would say, from my experience, that 95%+ of the girls that I ever contacted, asked me for money. All of them wanted to hear a specific number, per hour, per multiple hours, per date BEFORE we even meet. Red flag, right? For many of you, it would be a no go situation. If I decline to agree to a specific rate / number, or negotiate it, they all lose interest and stop responding or just tell me they are not interested. If I were to reject every single girl that asks for money, I would have pretty much zero options to choose from. Okay, maybe a few %. I'm not ugly, not old, dress and smell well. My SA profile is almost 100% complete with a bunch of real good quality photos of me. I must admit that my standards are a bit high, I'm picky af. I only contact girls that I consider to be 7+. I guess if I had lower my standards, I would find a freebie who just wants to wine and dine, or just date a foreigner. I'm not looking for freebies specifically, this is not my priority, but it would be nice to have 1 or 2 in the mix sometimes and feel like a real boyfriend. Because when cash does not exchange hands, it just feels so much better and natural. So, how do you find freebies or non-pros? What is your strategy?

[LshRoomer]

It's obviously a money game. It's intrinsic to the sugar lifestyle and the "arrangement". However, there is a human component as well, where the girl might actually like you.

Midwestern made a damn good point. If you are not "too" anything, then her getting paid is a bonus. Even some pros have a hard time faking when the customer is too fat / bald / ugly / generally disgusting because they are women with their own preferences, etc.

In my experience, the girls that you have a "beyond money rapport" with, will seek you out after your outing and make future attempts to spend time with you, maybe even without money exchange (Sb in London just wanted to enjoy restaurants and suites, no cash). I've even heard (never been) that the bar girls in Thailand will treat you better and give you better prices if they like you. Another good example of the human component in the exchange.

In general, you can't ignore the human component and conclude that money is the only attraction.

02.

[Midwestern]

If you are not super fat, not super old, and / or not super ugly, then SBs and even pros will fuck you happily for more than your money.

I am not super fat, I am not super old, and I am not super ugly, and so many WGs and SBs like both me and my money, not just my money.

Yes, there might be some gals that only like me for my money, but usually I will not see them again, especially an SB.

Will any of these gals see me without money? I admit, probably not. Do many of them like me for more than just the money? Probably yes.

[Akibono]

Yeah I'm not exactly new to this. I get that she's going to see people when I'm not there. I would want that for her. What I don't want is for her to get locked up with a big time exclusive SD that takes her off the market. But that's prob unavoidable at some point, because she's had that in the past. Like Melty at Diva in London. She was just soooo great (pro not SB) but then bam her Instagram blows up the next year with yachts and Maseratis and she's shacking up with some old SD dude. Happy for her. But prefer that Kayla not go off the market that way. A vain hope I suppose.

I got that the mall trip was a subtle money ask. I usually ignore those. But she's low maintenance and I sometimes like doing extras for girls I like just because I can. I have I guess about 6 or 7 girls I send birthday money to. I won't miss it. And they can use it. Maybe they buy their boyfriends dinner with it. Doesn't bother me. I still like brightening their day once a year.

And of course I know they only date me with money on the table. That is a given at my age. But yeah I think several actually like me and now the haters will chime in and say no, it's only your money. But what 9 is going to spend 14 hrs on a plane and in airports and 72 hrs with someone they don't like for $1000 that they could make at home by snapping their fingers. (Alexa, Mika) And what 9. 5 is going to fuck you bareback and have non-stop sex w you for two hours when she will make the exact same amount with a condom and a whole lot less fucking and BJ. I'm going to believe the money is incentive but not the whole story and all the realists will never convince me otherwise.

We never own them and would never want to. They eventually get old and we get tired of them. You can marry them, and still, if they are bored, they will cheat on you or find someone else. I suppose it is about new and excitement. Because the gifts come so quick and easily, these girls do not appreciate them and think it will last forever. Eventually, they realize they lose their looks and are replaced by other newer hotter girls. I find there is at most a 5 year window where women peak. That does not mean they are not still attractive and you do not want to fuck them, but they are missing just some intangible quality. Enjoy them while it lasts. I always get back to what is rare for them. These girls get plenty of attention, but not so much respect. They hear a thousand lies. Confident and respect go far. So does a few gifts. I think your best path is not to compete with those who have money to burn. These guys may impress the girls, by the girls also know these guys play the field. The get jealous of the competition. Plus, plenty of rich guys are also aholes because they can buy who they want. Never let the girls see you are bothered by the competition.

Recently, I got a slew of messages from SA girls. I am not sure how they got my numbers since I do not give it out freely. They are all professionals. While the costs are cheap, I am not interested in a professional escort. It is both risky and the pics are probably made up like everything else. I suspect there are many girls on the site merely trolling for prospects. They collect numbers and contact until they are kicked off the site. Then they use these numbers to attract clients. They may also share them among themselves. I find it too coincidental that these contacts just seemed to pop out of the blue. Anyone else have a similar experience?

[Elvis 2008]

I am very confident in my charm, charisma and text game but there's def guys with more money than me even though I am prob considered rich by many.

Any of you have experience in the long distance game with the hottest girl around? Any other thoughts or tips on keeping her engaged for maximum duration?

I think you are focusing on the wrong things Steve. A girl does not fuck you like that for just money. She did it because she likes you.

The way to keep her engaged is fun texts and telling her you are thinking of her in a non-stalkerish way and visit her as much as humanly possible. Every day my gal and I text each other. We went 4 weeks without seeing and each other, and she damned near ripped my clothes off because it was so long. It is going on close to two weeks now and I am telling her to get ready to get pounded. I miss her like crazy and part of it is the sex but not all of it. So make it a priority to see her as much as you can and text her as much as you can but with pleasant, joking, upbeat things. You want your texts to make her smile and to make her miss you and long for the day she sees you again.

You should see my gal when she sees me: a full fledged sprint and jumping into my arms with the brightest smile you have ever seen.

In the beginning, be the entertainer and plan fun things. After a few dates, see what it is like if you just stay in and watch Netflix or something like that. If you can do something that low key and have fun, she is the rarest breed of them all, a low maintenance stunner.

I would also commit just to her if she is up for it maybe not now but soon and do commit to her. You sound like you had the kind of encounter I have all the time. The reason I do not see any other women is they would be a disappointment compared to my gal. Is that not true with yours?

Monogamy for you is a crazy compliment. Let her bring up the financial agreement then if you bring up committing to her. If she does not ask for money, then I would just help her out a little and when she asks. Women do not want to feel like or be treated like working girls especially by guys they like.

I gave my gal $100 once and she asked, "What is that for?" almost offended that I gave it to her. I said, "It is because I care about you and I want you to have money in case of an emergency. " Save your money for spending it on fun activities. I don't like the mall stuff.

All hot chicks I know have apartments cluttered with useless shit and tons of clothes. My gal asks for nothing because she knows that stuff quickly becomes clutter.

Take that notion that she can find richer guys out of your head. She wants you! So give yourself to her and only her. Sure, it will probably wind down in a year or two but enjoy the ride.

Every time I am in a car with my gal for a period of time, she is reaching for my cock. When we rent a car, half the trip she will be blowing me. When we went to the pool and jacuzzi last trip, I knew my gal would fuck me there and she did in the jacuzzi.

Usually the sex with a gal peaks after the second or third visit, with my gal, it has gotten better and better and we are on like five or six months now. She has finally let go of thinking I am going to cheat on her. You might have one of those unicorn types too, but you got to believe you have one and give up the quest of finding better. Chances are the best sex you will have will be the next one and the next one with this gal.