Kyiv

[PhotoSlider]

Don't the girls report you if you try and negotiate with them?

Usually they either refuse outright (because the agency explains to them that the terrible sex tourists snatch the poor village girls, drink their blood, and sell them for organs), or think a bit, and say: "Yeah sure, here is my phone number, let's try!

Then about 3 our of 5 girls will never respond to my messages, because it is easier to give me their phone numbers, and then block me, than to explain the opposite. One of my regulars used to say a similar joke:

- With some pesky boys it is easier to agree and have a quick fuck, than to explain why you don't want to))).

Keep in mind that some apartments check girls phone messages and leverage heavy penalties for talking to customers directly - $200, even $500 for serious insubordination.

One of the hourly girls looked and behaved very classy, 1 m80 tall, slim, lingerie, perfect skin and very light makeup, as she truly didn't need any. I didn't ask for anything special, and she declined kissing, but gradually warmed up, and eventually, before she fully realized what just happened, had an orgasm from DATY))) She didn't ask for extra pay, and I always insist that I don't charge girls for extra pleasure I give them either))) Then we had great sex, and before getting dressed she politely asked:

It'd be ideal to just pay extra to the girl And get her number for another date in your hotel if you liked her.

I may give the girl a good tip even for classic sex in missionary, like 500 UAH on top of 1600-2100 per hour. I prefer to extend her for another hour or two instead. I do not pay a tip for extra services, as it doesn't seem to change or improve the girls attitude anyway. Instead upon their arrival to my apartment I do not jump on them with my erect dick, but instead offer them good wine, and treat with respect to relax.

I had DATY with more than half of the girls for free. Kissing is less frequent. Anal was given 3 times for free over 2 years and 100+ different girls.

The tip is for being feminine and passionate, not for extra services.

If there's a connection during sex, chances are high the number will be given.

T minus 3 days and I am working on my first report: the can't wait.

Please do report.

[Romero001]

No issues at the entry if you present test results (antigen rapid test is fine). Vaccination card would be a ++. You must get insurance for the full duration of your trip. It's not expensive and you can get it here - https://visitukraine.today/.

Thanks, much appreciated!

[Riina]

Awesome article. Yet some very out of touch individuals say there is no nightlife in Kyiv.

The nightclubs were really awesome ten plus years ago. Good luck passing face control today if you're an older single dude.

[Member #4722]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/21/m...398476571a234d

Awesome article. Yet some very out of touch individuals say there is no nightlife in Kyiv.

[Lucky Nuts]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/21/m...398476571a234d

[Reef LostCause]

Plan on travelling to Ukraine in couple of weeks. I am double vaccinated and plan on getting PCR test 48 hrs prior to arriving. Anyone have difficulties at the border / airport entry?

Based on what I see on the website, PCR Test isn't necessary if you are double vaccinated.

You'll need to buy insurance from an ukrainian company however (I did and it's only a couple of euros a day), and don't forget to save / print the contract they will send you and show it at the airport.

I did just that and had no problems 3 weeks ago.

If you come from India or Russia, it's another story, which I did not bother to read, since that's not the case for me.

[DramaFree11]

Update on Mamba / Tinder / SA.

Seems like Mamba / Tinder in Ukraine (Kiev) is all about long term relationship search for girls. They think Tinder = dating.

Unlike in Colombia, and unlike in Canada / USA where they know Tinder = Casual Hookups.

I wasted 5 days so far, and over $300 on buying the upgrade bullshit on these services.

The posts here are totally true, to avoid these sites. Chances are slim you will find someone who is down for action only. Girls are looking for husbands to escape Ukraine.

Correct, it just not girls that are leaving, a large portion of the population has be leaving for many years. Funny how you can be there for a few days and you understand this. Many that have been traveling there for years are in complete denial about this subject, very strange and makes you wonder.

[SprKiev21]

No. They are not looking for husbands. Except maybe few older once or average looking. Here is what they're looking for;

* To find an idiot who will send them money for travel (seeking).

* To find an idiot who will pay them just for a kiss in the chick (seeking).

* To find an idiot who they can drag into a b&S restaurant or night-club where you'll pay half of your monthly salary for some sort of shitty champagne or "exclusive" plate of Ukrainian vareniki made in sashimi style (Tinder).

* Just to bust your chops and making you to buy premium membership. As they keep posting dummy profiles of girls that do not exist (mamba).

So. I'm glad you're on the right track)) do not pay these suckers.

Update on Mamba / Tinder / SA.

Seems like Mamba / Tinder in Ukraine (Kiev) is all about long term relationship search for girls. They think Tinder = dating.

Unlike in Colombia, and unlike in Canada / USA where they know Tinder = Casual Hookups.

I wasted 5 days so far, and over $300 on buying the upgrade bullshit on these services.

The posts here are totally true, to avoid these sites. Chances are slim you will find someone who is down for action only. Girls are looking for husbands to escape Ukraine.

[SprKiev21]

Plan on travelling to Ukraine in couple of weeks. I am double vaccinated and plan on getting PCR test 48 hrs prior to arriving. Anyone have difficulties at the border / airport entry?

No issues at the entry if you present test results (antigen rapid test is fine). Vaccination card would be a ++. You must get insurance for the full duration of your trip. It's not expensive and you can get it here - https://visitukraine.today/.

[DiaArpy2]

Update on Mamba / Tinder / SA.

Seems like Mamba / Tinder in Ukraine (Kiev) is all about long term relationship search for girls. They think Tinder = dating.

Unlike in Colombia, and unlike in Canada / USA where they know Tinder = Casual Hookups.

I wasted 5 days so far, and over $300 on buying the upgrade bullshit on these services.

The posts here are totally true, to avoid these sites. Chances are slim you will find someone who is down for action only. Girls are looking for husbands to escape Ukraine.

[Romero001]

Plan on travelling to Ukraine in couple of weeks. I am double vaccinated and plan on getting PCR test 48 hrs prior to arriving. Anyone have difficulties at the border / airport entry?

[DiaArpy2]

I don't negotiate for extra services. I simply try to get those from girls. Many go for it. Negotiating in advance means much higher price without ensuring that quality of extra service will be good.

Different approach. Yours, Spr, may work for you, and that's great too.

Don't the girls report you if you try and negotiate with them?

It'd be ideal to just pay extra to the girl And get her number for another date in your hotel if you liked her.

T minus 3 days and I am working on my first report: the can't wait.

[PhotoSlider]

No, you will not get ripped of- However the girls selection on site could be very different from what they tell you on the phone. Also, please make sure you negotiate all services before you pay. In the basic "package" you'll get only CBJ / Massage / FS and if you need extra options (like kissing, DATY or whatever you like.) than you'll need to negotiate this for extra fee. (If services available).

I don't negotiate for extra services. I simply try to get those from girls. Many go for it. Negotiating in advance means much higher price without ensuring that quality of extra service will be good.

Different approach. Yours, Spr, may work for you, and that's great too.

[PhotoSlider]

Spr gave a great suggestion: Watch porn and jerk off at home. Much safer. I actually had my friend saying the same to bouncers outside of one of the strip clubs at the Arena City. They invited us:

- Come on, guys! Would you like some entertainment and a female company? We are premiere strip club!

- Oh yeah? I am fucking sick of all your strip clubs in Kiev! I can easily jerk off at home!

Going back to your questions:

You are calculating, extrapolating and trying to predict too much. All of that nonsense will be out of the window the moment you set your feet on Ukrainian soil.

Keep in mind please, - I haven't been to Kiev for awhile. Yes I talk to girls online (like 3 girls today), but there's no substitute for paying them and playing with them in flesh.

Read further, also, do a search for my reports back to September-November 2017, some of them explain the method.

I see thanks for those advices PhotoSlider (and the others too of course) ! I'll seriously think about it. However scanning through 15 girls, would probably mean staying longer than 1 week there, right?

Yep. 15 in one week is a stretch. I usually do 3 girls every 24 hours for 3-5 days upon arrival. 2 weeks IMHO is a minimum. 3-4 weeks improves chances significantly. For 1 week, especially if you reveal it you are perceived as a sex tourist.

P.S. I already met the girl and had 3 booking with her, for a total of 750 e, that's why I felt compelled of not giving a price too low. In my head I thought along the lines of: she's probably a bit used to Paris's rate, but probably no one in Ukraine will pay that much either so there is good chances she says yes (because that would be roughly equivalent to 6 overnight in France minus the cut from her pimp here, so I thought based on the rate in Paris that's a fair price).

Calculating too much. Kiev is not deterministic or prescriptive. Very random and stochastic.

When you're proposing me of searching for several girls, are you talking about independents escorts? Or also girls in what you guys called "apartments"?

Also a bit curious about you: What do you when chasing yours civilians in Kiev, do you also propose monetary compensation to accelerate the process, or is there no money involved? (I mean, you talked about a civilian balrinna at some point in your posts).

Most of my girls are from apartments and erotic massage parlors. Including balerinas and more. I simply suggest to pay to them directly, so that instead of getting 25-40%, they get 80-100%, and enjoy my company. I am lots of fun.

I also have unfair advantages:

Stay in Kiev 4-6 weeks. Pass for a local.

Visit often (in the past).

Native Russian speaker.

Have very good comprehension of Ukrainian (used more and more by younger ladies).

Speak very good English.

Another source is barbershops. Great women there!

Also a bit curious about this sentence: "The first one used to be an hourly girl with certain aspirations, then I was able to extract her for dedicated personal use". Could you please tell me how you went about it, if you don't mind (If you don't want to say it here, I can pay a subscription and we can discuss by MP) ? To be a bit more transparent, the whole reason why I wanted to do 1 whole week with this girl is probably because of this idea of "dedicated personal use "exclusiveness."

I converted her on our very first encounter. 19 years old hourly girl. Without discussing anything prior she went for DFK and DATY. Agreed to give me the phone number. She sent me her best pix the next day. Then Viber for a month. Met her again privately. Showed her Kiev. Spent 4 hours together, had great sex with BBBJ, CIM because I was exhausted by 2 girls before the date with her.

The object of my admiration, as you say, is for me a solid 8.5, perhaps 9 (I mean purely in terms of physical attractiveness, which is so far, given my short 2 month career, my only criteria for choosing an escort). In childish way of saying this, a 8.5 would be roughly the prettiest girl in a class 20-25 girls (just recall your old days at uni, hehe). Would that be easy to find someone like that again? I'm not really sure of what to expect about what I can find on my own there in a limited amount of time.

Ratings are useless. The best one for me may look ugly to you, and be a princess for another.

Truth to be told I'm a bit worried about the number of fakes on website such as https://relaxkiev.com or https://keksik.net or ukrgo. (I mean if there were no fakes, obviously I would not be worried about not finding easily someone fitting my criteria).

Would you know from your experience roughly how many fakes there are in % on sites like those? If there are lot, is it common to ask for photos or video chats prior meeting? Or should I just meet right away and turn tail if the girl is not what I want to see?

I do not use any websites at all. Phone number of agency, and they send pictures of currently available girls. I ask for 2 candidates, look at them outside, etc. Pix of girls anywhere, including Viber / Telegram / WhatsApp are edited with iPhone Apps. But websites are not updated. Messengers are current. Then curbside casting.

You may be just fine with your 3 K girl. I wouldn't do it though, not even with today's prices. I like sampling my sweet deserts, then picking 3-4 favorite ones, and rotating through them, enjoying the pleasure of company, while seducing the new ones here and there.

Not even the highest powers above all of us in heaven know how it's going to play out for you. Stop research on Forum. Real practice on the ground is the validation criteria. The rest is one opinion against the other.

Again, fuck the naysayers, as you see, some of the guys had great time in Kiev very recently. But there is no guarantee.

Best of luck, and please report.

[Ringudor]

Tell us details about the service and the costs. Thanks.

I wrote this resume on 20 Jul.

"As I visited lot of strip clubs last week, I decided to know for massage with handjob ending for that week, first I tried is redlight massage.

https://redlight-massage.kiev.ua/en/girls/

I was with Eva the first girl in the list, real pics, really pretty and so hot.

Then, 4 days ago I was to relaxmassage: https://relaxmassage.kiev.ua/ I chosen a girl called Dina, I don't see her in pics in website, she had very good massage technics and a cheerful personality.

Last massage I was to red light again thinking in making a threesome with two masseuses at a time, there was only 1 free masseuse: Eva, I was so happy to meet her again. Don't care about 3 some, other day I will do."