American Politics

[Elvis 2008]

Aren't you the guy who continues to insist that the only people who die from COVID are old people with comorbidities? If so, then you can't have things both ways. Either you talk about only the Delta variant or not. Don't berate someone else for using an older study and cry "but not for delta."

Delta is what is going on in the USA right now. When alpha was dominant in the USA, vaccine mandates could be justified. Now that Delta is dominant, they make no sense.

As to your contention that viral loads tell the whole story, "In one study from Singapore, researchers found that viral loads reached high levels in vaccinated people but dropped much faster than in those who were unvaccinated". But the quote above comes from an MIT publication, and everybody knows that MIT is far less reliable than Fucker Carlson. https://www.technologyreview.com/202...n-vaccination/.

Singapore is also one of the most vaccinated countries on earth, and it too is getting hammered with Covid.

If you knew the difference between the MAGAt-popular and the correct, you'd be vaccinated because you gave a dam about those around you. But you don't and you don't.

MAGA huh? Tell me how it is that a virus made in China funded by Fauci is Trumps fault? You DDDs are intelligent but you do not have one fucking shred of common sense. I used to joke that I wish I could go on MSNBC and literally make up whatever negative things I could and blame them on Trump and see if I would be cut off. I remember only one time a liberal was reigned in when talking badly about Trump. Viral cases now have been about as bad as they ever have been, but that does not stop you douches from spewing your hate.

And I am vaccinated. That was my choice, and I do not assume to know what is best for everyone else like you do.

The funny part is that I keep seeing articles like this one about how we are just going to have live with Covid: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion...L_Small_Active.

Which means everything you control freak, government loving, freedom hating spouted off over the last 18 months about how the virus could be contained was total bullshit! And the thing is you do not admit it. No, somehow despite all the facts, despite all the evidence, you douches are incapable of admitting you are and were wrong.

How do you look at the viral numbers today and say it is Trump's fault? When the military kills innocent children, you do not condemn them. You say "Under Trump, the military would have been dishonest." You love Democratic rule and government so much you love them even when they kill kids. You love and trust government even when they design a virus that kills millions.

I ask again, WTF is wrong with you people?

[EihTooms]

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It is becoming more expensive to remain unvaccinated
Sept. 22, 2021.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-h...ost-treatment/

2-3 weeks in an ICU including several days on a ventilator can cost you your house or make it damn difficult for most Americans to ever buy one. So fewer and fewer insurance companies will even share the cost of it for Covid patients who simply refused or neglected to get vaccinated.

Of course, the anti-vaxxers can always send a letter to the insurance company explaining how the "Democrat" Party doesn't know what a woman is, how Fauci changed his position on wearing a mask when more data came in for Trump's Pandemic on the issue and so on.

Maybe the insurance company will go ahead and cut that huge check to cover even half the cost or perhaps all of it if the anti-vaxxers' arguments in those letters are as convincing as they are on this forum. Lol.

[Golfinho]

"not everyone who chooses to not take an unproven vaccine is a 'MAGA". Maybe, however: "The vaccination rate among White evangelical Protestants continues to lag behind those of other major religious groups: 57% of White evangelicals say they have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, compared with 73% of White Protestants who are not evangelicals, 75% of religiously unaffiliated adults and 82% of Catholics," reported Pew. And show me a white evangelical who isn't a MAGAt. https://www.au.org/blogs/christian-n...b9FDtZcWY0eCTw.

I guess it really is true that scientists hid the "genius gene" in the vaccine, considering how many of the unvaccinated aren't.

Yeah, and you're sure to find a lot of these unvaccinated evangelicals here to argue with.

And no freedom loving individuals who indulge in the subject of this website.

[ScatManDoo]

And of course for consistency, we must also refuse fat people medical treatment for diabetes, heart and joint conditions; and smokers for respiratory problems; and homosexuals for HIV, because overeating / smoking / sodomy was a choice and choices have consequences.

When the recalcitrant third of our country cause the 5th, and deadliest outbreak (in the conservative south) during winter flu season coming up.

I am sure that's how they will be forced to triage due to low capacities in those little country hospitals.

[Chris P]

the anti-science party.

Would that be the party that believes that there is no such thing as a "woman" (only a "menstruating person" or "birthing person" That there are no average differences whatsoever between ethnic groups, NBA and advanced math classes be damned? And told us twenty years ago that the country would be underwater by now? And are telling us now that the planet will be gone in 10 years?

That anti-science party?

[Chris P]

I believe your conclusion is incorrect.

If the vaccine slows the rate of infection, then it is effective and beneficial (and worthwhile).

There is no criterion that success can only be achieved by total eradication.

Less deaths and less serious disease is desirable compared to more deaths and more serious disease.

I agree that we are likely going to be living with Covid for quite a while. While that's happening I favor having less deaths with great immunization coverage rather than choosing more deaths for ourselves because some folks try to be selfish freeloaders in the name of "Freedom."

Covid is not the Walking Dead. It is not a society-destroying virus. The survival rate is 99.9%, and it barely affects healthy people under 60, who constitute the vast majority of the workforce.

If the vaccine did what Fauci and the other liars originally told us. Ie give total lifelong immunity from the disease, as is the case with the vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox, Hep be, etc. They would have a stronger case: they could say "taking this vaccine will eradicate the disease forever".

But that is not the case. They lied. The vaccine doesn't work. See Oscar De La Hoya, who recently had to call off his boxing comeback because he contracted covid. After being double-vaccinated.

At best, the vaccine somewhat alleviates symptoms. It does not and will not prevent infection, or spreading, nor will it eradicate the disease. It does very little.

On the negative side, as we have seen from over half a million VAERS reports in less than a year, it does quite a lot.

For people in vulnerable groups (elderly, obese, people with severe pre-existing conditions) it is probably worth taking the vaccine. But for healthy people under 50, the likelihood of severe negative reaction to the vax is the same or more than the likelihood of severe negative reaction to covid. Both very low.

We cannot eradicate covid. It will always be with us. The "vaccine" option is there for people who wish to probably ameliorate their symptoms if and when they get it. But it does not come near to the level of justifying the destruction of constitutional freedoms and bodily autonomy of American citizens.

If you have chosen to take the vaccine, your symptoms will probably be less if you catch it. Good for you. But you will not eradicate the disease. Why therefore are you concerned about the personal medical choices and bodily autonomy of others?

[Chris P]

More than a billion doses of mRNA Covid vaccines have been administered. The safety and efficacy of the vaccines have been proven beyond any possibility for error. The theory and mechanism of how these vaccines work is better understood than the theory of gravitation. Simply put, the vaccines are proven to be safe and effective.

Maybe you're getting a different vaccine over there in Leningrad, but here in America the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System) contradicts your false statement.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...covid-vaccine/ "Data released today show that between Dec. 14,2020 and July 30,2021, a total of 545,338 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 12,366 deaths — an increase of 426 over the previous week. There were 70,105 reports of serious injuries, including deaths, during the same time period".

Only a small fraction of injuries are actually reported to VAERS. Most are simply ignored or swept under the rug.

As for "effective", we were sold these vaccines as the end of the virus. In fact, they don't work. Double jabbed people are still getting covid, still getting sick, still passing it on. The injections probably reduce the harshness of the virus, but that is not what we were told. We were told that vaccinated people would be invulnerable, like with measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox etc.

Once again, Fauci lied.

[Chris P]

Xpartan,

You really, really need to know the difference between popular and correct. Is it popular to say condoms prevent STDs? Hell yeah. Is it correct? Fuck no. https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/...-glass-90-full.

Adequate data are available to conclude that consistent and correct condom use prevents unintended pregnancies, HIV infection and gonorrhea in men. Evidence that condom use prevents the other six STIs reviewed by the panel is insufficient.

Before you get your panties in a bunch about HIV, that is for homosexual / anal sex. For heterosexual and oral sex, rates of HIV transmission are so low you could never prove condoms work.

And gonorrhea can be prevented / treated with one pill.

And why haven't you heard about this huge study done by the NIH? Or are you going to lie now and say you have?

Is it popular to say the vaccine works to reduce Covid? Yes. Does it? No, not delta.

The study you linked about % effectiveness was when the alpha variant of Covid was predominant. The vaccines worked to prevent that, but it does not prevent transmission with delta.

Excellent post.

I would only contest the final paragraph. People like him and the rest of the dem douches don't make judgments. They just follow, blindly and lemming-like, whatever the fake news / Big Tech is telling them this week, regardless even of how contradictory it is to what they were saying last week.

[Chris P]

Of course, all those people will be refused medical treatment because COVID isn't that serious and not getting vaccinated was a choice and choices have consequences.

And of course for consistency, we must also refuse fat people medical treatment for diabetes, heart and joint conditions; and smokers for respiratory problems; and homosexuals for HIV, because overeating / smoking / sodomy was a choice and choices have consequences.

[PVMonger]

Xpartan,

You really, really need to know the difference between popular and correct. Is it popular to say condoms prevent STDs? Hell yeah. Is it correct? Fuck no. https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/...-glass-90-full.

Adequate data are available to conclude that consistent and correct condom use prevents unintended pregnancies, HIV infection and gonorrhea in men. Evidence that condom use prevents the other six STIs reviewed by the panel is insufficient.

Before you get your panties in a bunch about HIV, that is for homosexual / anal sex. For heterosexual and oral sex, rates of HIV transmission are so low you could never prove condoms work.

And gonorrhea can be prevented / treated with one pill.

And why haven't you heard about this huge study done by the NIH? Or are you going to lie now and say you have?

Is it popular to say the vaccine works to reduce Covid? Yes. Does it? No, not delta.

The study you linked about % effectiveness was when the alpha variant of Covid was predominant. The vaccines worked to prevent that, but it does not prevent transmission with delta.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/healt...udy/index.html

A new study shows the Delta Covid-19 variant produced similar amounts of virus in vaccinated and unvaccinated people if they get infected -- illustrating a key motivation behind the federal guidance that now recommends most fully vaccinated Americans wear masks indoors...

Aren't you the guy who continues to insist that the only people who die from COVID are old people with comorbidities? If so, then you can't have things both ways. Either you talk about only the Delta variant or not. Don't berate someone else for using an older study and cry "but not for delta."

As to your contention that viral loads tell the whole story, "In one study from Singapore, researchers found that viral loads reached high levels in vaccinated people but dropped much faster than in those who were unvaccinated". But the quote above comes from an MIT publication, and everybody knows that MIT is far less reliable than Fucker Carlson. https://www.technologyreview.com/202...n-vaccination/.

And, as I already posted, breakthrough infections in vaccinated people occur. 02% of the time.

If you knew the difference between the MAGAt-popular and the correct, you'd be vaccinated because you gave a dam about those around you. But you don't and you don't.

[ScatManDoo]

Instead of a vaccine mandate, perhaps the government should mandate that every unvaccinated person, every anti-vaxxer, every anti-masker, every science denier and all of the rightwingnut media work for 30 days in a COVID ward. Without PPE, of course, because natural COVID immunity is so much better than a vaccine and hell, COVID only has a. 02% death rate anyway. Of course, all those people will be refused medical treatment because COVID isn't that serious and not getting vaccinated was a choice

Works for me.

"educating yourself on what works to actually prevent getting the disease." And, what, pray tell is that? It isn't ivermectin. It isn't hydroxychloroquine. It isn't bleach martinis and it isn't shoving a lightbulb up your ass.

Let's volunteer Elvis to confirm.

And Golfino. Before you blast my post.

I was being sarcastic, FYI.

[PVMonger]

You evidently fail to realize that not everyone who chooses to not take an unproven vaccine is a 'MAGA'.

Meanwhile, with gay genes on your mind, maybe the MAGA people will have a vaccination to cure you. (You can decide if that's sarcasm.)

"not everyone who chooses to not take an unproven vaccine is a 'MAGA". Maybe, however: "The vaccination rate among White evangelical Protestants continues to lag behind those of other major religious groups: 57% of White evangelicals say they have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, compared with 73% of White Protestants who are not evangelicals, 75% of religiously unaffiliated adults and 82% of Catholics," reported Pew. And show me a white evangelical who isn't a MAGAt. https://www.au.org/blogs/christian-n...b9FDtZcWY0eCTw.

I guess it really is true that scientists hid the "genius gene" in the vaccine, considering how many of the unvaccinated aren't.

[Golfinho]

More than a billion doses of mRNA Covid vaccines have been administered. The safety and efficacy of the vaccines have been proven beyond any possibility for error. The theory and mechanism of how these vaccines work is better understood than the theory of gravitation. Simply put, the vaccines are proven to be safe and effective.

Then you've got nothing to worry about from the unvaccinated. Mind your own business and party on.

[Paulie97]

More than a billion doses of mRNA Covid vaccines have been administered. The safety and efficacy of the vaccines have been proven beyond any possibility for error. The theory and mechanism of how these vaccines work is better understood than the theory of gravitation. Simply put, the vaccines are proven to be safe and effective.

Also the vaccine is proven to reduce the odds of Covid hospitalization and death to near zero.

[John Clayton]

You evidently fail to realize that not everyone who chooses to not take an unproven vaccine...

More than a billion doses of mRNA Covid vaccines have been administered. The safety and efficacy of the vaccines have been proven beyond any possibility for error. The theory and mechanism of how these vaccines work is better understood than the theory of gravitation. Simply put, the vaccines are proven to be safe and effective.