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09-23-21 19:30 #4810
Posts: 1132Nope, Nah, Not Even...
Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
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Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]
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09-23-21 17:48 #4809
Posts: 1604Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
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09-23-21 17:45 #4808
Posts: 1604Recycled
Originally Posted by ScatManDoo [View Original Post]
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09-23-21 12:06 #4807
Posts: 6449Equal
All people who oppose taking COVID vaccines may not be Trumpsters. But, they are all equally ignorant and selfish just the same.
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09-23-21 10:03 #4806
Posts: 3497Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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09-23-21 03:42 #4805
Posts: 1604You've already said that
Originally Posted by ChrisP [View Original Post]
But now, having your own "actions have consequences" logic thrown back at you hurts, doesn't it. You think you still hold the high ground but you don't. Republican covidiocy has killed 1 in 500 Americans and will kill more.
I wish I would have thought of the following:
"Welcome to the Freedom Cafe! We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food.
We encourage employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom, but understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not our place to tell them what to do.
We understand that you may be used to chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees. We do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a YouTube video saying that 100 degrees is sufficient, and we do not want to encroach on their beliefs. Some of our cooks may prefer to use the same utensils for multiple ingredients, including ingredients some customers are allergic to. That is a cook's right to do so.
Some servers may wish to touch your food as they serve it. There is no reason that a healthy person with clean hands can't touch your food. We will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean.
Water temperature and detergent are highly personal choices, and we allow our dishwashing team to decide how they'd prefer to wash the silverware you will put in your mouth.
Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. We think you'll agree that it's a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do – and especially not for the silly reason of keeping strangers healthy."
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09-23-21 03:33 #4804
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by ChrisP [View Original Post]
The survival rate is not even 98.8%.
There have been over 680,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths in the United States.
To achieve a survival rate from Covid infections of 99.9% there would have needed to be 680 million infected people in the United States.
There aren't even 660 million people, wild deer and gophers combined in the United States.
Wikipedia says there are 42.5 million confirmed COVID cases in the United States.
Based on those two numbers, the survival rate is only 98.4%.
A much poorer survival rate, especially for 637,500 of the 680,000 dead victims.
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09-23-21 01:24 #4803
Posts: 3330Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
And I am vaccinated. That was my choice, and I do not assume to know what is best for everyone else like you do.
The funny part is that I keep seeing articles like this one about how we are just going to have live with Covid: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion...L_Small_Active.
Which means everything you control freak, government loving, freedom hating spouted off over the last 18 months about how the virus could be contained was total bullshit! And the thing is you do not admit it. No, somehow despite all the facts, despite all the evidence, you douches are incapable of admitting you are and were wrong.
How do you look at the viral numbers today and say it is Trump's fault? When the military kills innocent children, you do not condemn them. You say "Under Trump, the military would have been dishonest." You love Democratic rule and government so much you love them even when they kill kids. You love and trust government even when they design a virus that kills millions.
I ask again, WTF is wrong with you people?
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09-23-21 01:08 #4802
Posts: 5502This might do it
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It is becoming more expensive to remain unvaccinated
Sept. 22, 2021.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-h...ost-treatment/
2-3 weeks in an ICU including several days on a ventilator can cost you your house or make it damn difficult for most Americans to ever buy one. So fewer and fewer insurance companies will even share the cost of it for Covid patients who simply refused or neglected to get vaccinated.
Of course, the anti-vaxxers can always send a letter to the insurance company explaining how the "Democrat" Party doesn't know what a woman is, how Fauci changed his position on wearing a mask when more data came in for Trump's Pandemic on the issue and so on.
Maybe the insurance company will go ahead and cut that huge check to cover even half the cost or perhaps all of it if the anti-vaxxers' arguments in those letters are as convincing as they are on this forum. Lol.
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09-23-21 00:49 #4801
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by PVMonger [View Original Post]
And no freedom loving individuals who indulge in the subject of this website.
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09-23-21 00:24 #4800
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by ChrisP [View Original Post]
I am sure that's how they will be forced to triage due to low capacities in those little country hospitals.
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09-22-21 22:47 #4799
Posts: 1044Originally Posted by ScatManDoo [View Original Post]
That anti-science party?
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09-22-21 22:39 #4798
Posts: 1044Originally Posted by ScatManDoo [View Original Post]
If the vaccine did what Fauci and the other liars originally told us. Ie give total lifelong immunity from the disease, as is the case with the vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox, Hep be, etc. They would have a stronger case: they could say "taking this vaccine will eradicate the disease forever".
But that is not the case. They lied. The vaccine doesn't work. See Oscar De La Hoya, who recently had to call off his boxing comeback because he contracted covid. After being double-vaccinated.
At best, the vaccine somewhat alleviates symptoms. It does not and will not prevent infection, or spreading, nor will it eradicate the disease. It does very little.
On the negative side, as we have seen from over half a million VAERS reports in less than a year, it does quite a lot.
For people in vulnerable groups (elderly, obese, people with severe pre-existing conditions) it is probably worth taking the vaccine. But for healthy people under 50, the likelihood of severe negative reaction to the vax is the same or more than the likelihood of severe negative reaction to covid. Both very low.
We cannot eradicate covid. It will always be with us. The "vaccine" option is there for people who wish to probably ameliorate their symptoms if and when they get it. But it does not come near to the level of justifying the destruction of constitutional freedoms and bodily autonomy of American citizens.
If you have chosen to take the vaccine, your symptoms will probably be less if you catch it. Good for you. But you will not eradicate the disease. Why therefore are you concerned about the personal medical choices and bodily autonomy of others?
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09-22-21 22:22 #4797
Posts: 1044Originally Posted by JohnClayton [View Original Post]
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...covid-vaccine/ "Data released today show that between Dec. 14,2020 and July 30,2021, a total of 545,338 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 12,366 deaths — an increase of 426 over the previous week. There were 70,105 reports of serious injuries, including deaths, during the same time period".
Only a small fraction of injuries are actually reported to VAERS. Most are simply ignored or swept under the rug.
As for "effective", we were sold these vaccines as the end of the virus. In fact, they don't work. Double jabbed people are still getting covid, still getting sick, still passing it on. The injections probably reduce the harshness of the virus, but that is not what we were told. We were told that vaccinated people would be invulnerable, like with measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox etc.
Once again, Fauci lied.
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09-22-21 21:56 #4796
Posts: 1044Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
I would only contest the final paragraph. People like him and the rest of the dem douches don't make judgments. They just follow, blindly and lemming-like, whatever the fake news / Big Tech is telling them this week, regardless even of how contradictory it is to what they were saying last week.