FKK Artemis - Berlin

[Mr Ho]

3 G is actually what I encountered in July. It's one of the big three and then you get in. Inside you still need to wear a mask when you walk around. Not when you sit down or in the room. 2 G skips the test to get in and allows all freedom to people that get inside. So no more masks at all. That is pretty much where Europe is heading: For the group of people that is vaccinated or recovered Corona is actually not that different from the Flu. Denmark in front seat but also Germany, Holland, Italy, Belgium etc are heading in that direction. Problem is of course the people that do not box in into this group. Huge debates around here. Liberties at risk as the authorities more or less make vaccination an obligation. Won't elaborate on that. Please read the link that I gave earlier. It translates well and it's rather complete.

It's a construct. Most of our constructs are taken from USA or Britain. So those are easy for you to understand. But Europe still is a continent on it's own with it's own languages etc. More important: read the article as policies are changing. It seems that 3 G is something of the past and will be followed by 2 G (no testing anymore, no vaccination or recovery and you are out).

I will wait till next year if things normalize because I do not see a point in going with this semi set up of the club due to covid with all these complications LOL!

[Member #4733]

Who can control if mask in room? If BBBJ or not? If kissing.

3 G is actually what I encountered in July. It's one of the big three and then you get in. Inside you still need to wear a mask when you walk around. Not when you sit down or in the room. 2 G skips the test to get in and allows all freedom to people that get inside. So no more masks at all. That is pretty much where Europe is heading: For the group of people that is vaccinated or recovered Corona is actually not that different from the Flu. Denmark in front seat but also Germany, Holland, Italy, Belgium etc are heading in that direction. Problem is of course the people that do not box in into this group. Huge debates around here. Liberties at risk as the authorities more or less make vaccination an obligation. Won't elaborate on that. Please read the link that I gave earlier. It translates well and it's rather complete.

Tested is fair enough, but man, they can just say recover or tested instead of 3 g LOL!

It's a construct. Most of our constructs are taken from USA or Britain. So those are easy for you to understand. But Europe still is a continent on it's own with it's own languages etc. More important: read the article as policies are changing. It seems that 3 G is something of the past and will be followed by 2 G (no testing anymore, no vaccination or recovery and you are out).

[Mr Ho]

This is it.

Tested is fair enough, but man, they can just say recover or tested instead of 3 g LOL!

[Sirioja]

PM gracious as always. Ninja native Japanese speaker and Deutsch so so, and legal Deutsch even less. New Regs "clearly" say if 3 G, all in sex (giver and taker) must wear FFP2 mask during sex, no direct facial contact. If 2 G, mask not needed. Will be choice of establishment like all businesses in Berlin. Of course like change in BBBJ law, difficult (impossible?) to monitor and enforce. But free testing soon ending (Oct) and also Senat maybe laying legal foundation to tighten later. Art's for sure under monitoring since crazy raid in 2016. Cannot say if or when Berlin will impose 2 G on them (and all bordellos). But new regs legally in force since 18 Sept. Cannot say if / when Arts might change its policy.

Background is all Covid data curves (cases, hospitalizations, deaths) tracking like 2020 - higher after summer holidays, then down a little, who know where by end Oct with colder weather. Berlin numbers in late June were under 10 new cases per day. Now often 400-600/ day, mostly young unvaccinated. Anyway new regs are confusing. They are what they are. Think they are intended to send signal even if not so practical. Anyway moot point, Ninja gave up Arts long time ago. Risks, quality of choices, high cost - not worth it, esp compared to local indies.. Miss good old days but they are long gone.

Wish Piefke would comment on new regs.

Who can control if mask in room? If BBBJ or not? If kissing.

[Member #4733]

This is a site that translates easily into English and pretty up-to-date and complete.

https://www.swp.de/panorama/2g-regel...-59278231.html

Der Betrieb von Prosititutionsfahrzeugen sowie die Ausrichtung von Prostitutionsveranstaltungen ist ausschlielich unter 2 G-Bedingungen gestattet. ".

Seems to me prostitution is fine with 3 G rules as long as it is not "Prosititutionsfahrzeugen" or "Prostitutionsveranstaltungen" whatever the heck that is?

You can google that easily. In fact a "Prosititutionsfahrzeugen" is a camper and that kind of thing. Just google the German word and switch to Pictures.

"Prostitutionsveranstaltungen" are actually prostitution events. I used to get emails about these but haven't found much of them recently. Some hookers go from town to town and hire a barn or a flat or even rooms in the RLD. It might be for one day only or the weekend and so on. So actually is a form of prostitution like a circus coming to town. I once met a lady in the RLD who was part of such a circus. Pity for me as she was really good but gone the next day.

And a bit more about 2 G and 3 G. 2 G is better. It's a regulation that says: vaccinated (geimpft) or recovered (genesen) and no restrictions anymore. Testing (getestet) doesn't give you anything. It's a hot debate in Germany. But don't believe me and just translate the link to English and you know everything.

[Member #4733]

What is 3 G? Only 3 G I know is old mobile technology LOL!

This is it.

The slogan in Germany right now is "Geimpft, Genesen oder Getestet" which means "Vaccinated, Recovered or Tested". Those are the three criteria to get into the country (fulfill one of them) and have access to all sorts of things. Because they all three start with a G (most past participles in German do! They are called the three "GS". Germany actually asks you to be fully vaccinated 15 days before entry. Also, you have to wear an FFP2 mask indoors, shops etc. Have fun.

[Mr Ho]

As you probably guessed, it is not about cellphone data transfer. .

Better that me explaining something I don't fully understand, ask your friend, Google..

I will not fully understand with google either, so I will look into it once I decide to travel to FKK land LOL Politicians messing things up even more with all these vaccine passports thing that is not united LOL.

[Blue Swede]

What is 3 G? Only 3 G I know is old mobile technology LOL!

As you probably guessed, it is not about cellphone data transfer. .

Better that me explaining something I don't fully understand, ask your friend, Google. .

[Nooky Ninja]

Then translate this Ninja man (without using google) taken from Berlin. De. "Sexuelle Dienstleistungen.

PM gracious as always. Ninja native Japanese speaker and Deutsch so so, and legal Deutsch even less. New Regs "clearly" say if 3 G, all in sex (giver and taker) must wear FFP2 mask during sex, no direct facial contact. If 2 G, mask not needed. Will be choice of establishment like all businesses in Berlin. Of course like change in BBBJ law, difficult (impossible?) to monitor and enforce. But free testing soon ending (Oct) and also Senat maybe laying legal foundation to tighten later. Art's for sure under monitoring since crazy raid in 2016. Cannot say if or when Berlin will impose 2 G on them (and all bordellos). But new regs legally in force since 18 Sept. Cannot say if / when Arts might change its policy.

Background is all Covid data curves (cases, hospitalizations, deaths) tracking like 2020 - higher after summer holidays, then down a little, who know where by end Oct with colder weather. Berlin numbers in late June were under 10 new cases per day. Now often 400-600/ day, mostly young unvaccinated. Anyway new regs are confusing. They are what they are. Think they are intended to send signal even if not so practical. Anyway moot point, Ninja gave up Arts long time ago. Risks, quality of choices, high cost - not worth it, esp compared to local indies.. Miss good old days but they are long gone.

Wish Piefke would comment on new regs.

[Sirioja]

What is 3 G? Only 3 G I know is old mobile technology LOL!

3 G is EU sanitary pass. PCR or antigen at Artemis? When Sharks, Oase and Finca are so flexible. Not at all for Mainhattan even antigen is OK.

[Mr Ho]

I talked with a guy today. He had called Artemis and asked about this and they replied "no problem, we are under 3 G". So, it is for sure hard to understand the information.

What is 3 G? Only 3 G I know is old mobile technology LOL!

[Blue Swede]

Then translate this Ninja man (without using google) taken from Berlin. De.

"Sexuelle Dienstleistungen.

Prostitutionsgewerbe therfen unter Einhaltung strenger Vorgaben ffnen. Sexuelle Dienstleistungen therfen angeboten und in Anspruch genommen werden. Gesichtsnahe Praktiken sind I'm 3 G-Modell nicht gestattet. Kund: innen sind unter diesen Bedingungen dazu verpflichtet, vorab einen Termin zu vereinbaren und einen negativen Corona-Test, einen vollstndigen Impfnachweis oder einen Genesenennachweis vorzulegen. Fare Kund: innen und Dienstleister: innen gilt zudem eine FFP2-Maskenpflicht.

Der Betrieb von Prosititutionsfahrzeugen sowie die Ausrichtung von Prostitutionsveranstaltungen ist ausschlielich unter 2 G-Bedingungen gestattet. ".

Seems to me prostitution is fine with 3 G rules as long as it is not "Prosititutionsfahrzeugen" or "Prostitutionsveranstaltungen" whatever the heck that is?

I talked with a guy today. He had called Artemis and asked about this and they replied "no problem, we are under 3 G". So, it is for sure hard to understand the information.

[PinballMachine]

May take a while for website to catch up to regulations.

Meanwhile party in Mnster last week, 350 people danced and sang in a badly ventilated room. 82 infected (none so far seriously). https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellsc...-17543407.html You know our moto: never let facts get in the way of a good theory.

Then translate this Ninja man (without using google) taken from Berlin. De.

"Sexuelle Dienstleistungen.

Prostitutionsgewerbe theürfen unter Einhaltung strenger Vorgaben öffnen. Sexuelle Dienstleistungen theürfen angeboten und in Anspruch genommen werden. Gesichtsnahe Praktiken sind I'm 3 G-Modell nicht gestattet. Kund: innen sind unter diesen Bedingungen dazu verpflichtet, vorab einen Termin zu vereinbaren und einen negativen Corona-Test, einen vollständigen Impfnachweis oder einen Genesenennachweis vorzulegen. Füare Kund: innen und Dienstleister: innen gilt zudem eine FFP2-Maskenpflicht.

Der Betrieb von Prosititutionsfahrzeugen sowie die Ausrichtung von Prostitutionsveranstaltungen ist ausschließlich unter 2 G-Bedingungen gestattet. ".

Seems to me prostitution is fine with 3 G rules as long as it is not "Prosititutionsfahrzeugen" or "Prostitutionsveranstaltungen" whatever the heck that is?

[Mr Ho]

According to new rules from a week ago, you have to be vaccinated to be allowed in. Artemis web site isn't updated for this.

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/poli...nder-li.183081

This is bad news and it is one of the reason why I do not want to take a chance, book a flight etc to go to FKK as the rule might change before my travel date or even while I am in the airplane for 12 hours LOL!

I would accept PCR test, but I got to be vaccinated? That is bit too much.

[Rambambinoz]

I'm traveling from the UK to Berlin next Friday. I'm double vaccinated but we use the NHS Covid app which has a QR code, when you say that they check for proof of vaccination, is this an electronic check of the QR code? And can I use the NHS app or does it have to be some sort of German app? I also have a printed letter, would this also suffice?

Let us know how you get on. I'm eager to go but don't know the testing rules for a day trip and it's too confusing reading either UK of German government websites.