Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Swinging never occurred to me. Did not know that was still alive and well. I wonder how one gets into the scene. How did Kayla find out about it? Also, do you think it would be okay to get contacts while you are there? Will it be free to attend? Will some gals charge per hookup? I am intrigued. Cannot wait for your report about it.

I don't know how she found the scene. I assumed her prior SD but could have been a hundred other ways for a 23 year old hottie. It's funny because it's completely above board because it doesn't touch any of the laws. It's a BYOB membership club (they used to do this in Texas to skirt drinking laws) and they don't serve alcohol but have bar tenders to mix what you bring.

They have couples prices and single lady and single guy prices. For example couples have a $60 a month membership and a per visit fee of $50-100 depending on day of week. It's all well constructed and professional. The "membership club" seems the key to the whole thing. Of course you can become a member day of visit.

Think going as a couple is a totally different thing. Apparently the singles section can be like a bunch of flies around a honey pot. Course the flies are jacking their dicks. LOL.

[Akibono]

Swinging never occurred to me. Did not know that was still alive and well. I wonder how one gets into the scene. How did Kayla find out about it? Also, do you think it would be okay to get contacts while you are there? Will it be free to attend? Will some gals charge per hookup? I am intrigued. Cannot wait for your report about it.

Just like the sugar scene, there are rules to learn. Think hedonism to excess. It is guys that like variety and strange. It is girls with more libido than their husbands or boyfriends can handle. It is couples indulging their fantasies. Unlike the EU, there are no hookers and very few single women. There is usually a cover charge for the host and to weed out the undesirable. Exchanging contact info is part of the purpose. The scene is for meeting like minded people into sex. Voyeurism an exhibitionism is more common than swapping. A gangbang is not unusual.

[Akibono]

Wow. I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find a senior ISG member who knows this scene but I am stunned this scene exists. We are def going on a no single guys night. But Kayla is legit finest overall body I've ever been with and a super pretty face. She warned me all the guys will be eye fucking her and I'm ok w that.

Our plan at this point is to stay one on one (this is what Valentina and I did). I don't think I'the be averse to a swap with a hot couple but we will see esp since only half our couple is hot. LOL. Kayla is bi so no issue if she wants to make out a girl or eat pussy while I pound her. I'm truly excited and was already excited!

If you bring your own gal and she is hot, you will not have problems with other couples. They are there for the experience and money is never mentioned. Generally, the girls decide who to go with and what they will do. So, if you find a bi your girl will be in heaven. If the man likes your girl, he will encourage her to swap to get access to your girl. Having a hot girl is the key. It is ok for couples that like each other to exchange information for meetings outside the clubs for more privacy. In general, it is ok to talk with other couple, but no to annoy others. Years ago there was a nude beach in Miami where voyeurs and swingers hang out.

[Midwestern]

Wow. I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find a senior ISG member who knows this scene but I am stunned this scene exists. We are def going on a no single guys night. But Kayla is legit finest overall body I've ever been with and a super pretty face. She warned me all the guys will be eye fucking her and I'm ok w that.

Our plan at this point is to stay one on one (this is what Valentina and I did). I don't think I'the be averse to a swap with a hot couple but we will see esp since only half our couple is hot. LOL. Kayla is bi so no issue if she wants to make out a girl or eat pussy while I pound her. I'm truly excited and was already excited!

Swinging never occurred to me. Did not know that was still alive and well. I wonder how one gets into the scene. How did Kayla find out about it? Also, do you think it would be okay to get contacts while you are there? Will it be free to attend? Will some gals charge per hookup? I am intrigued. Cannot wait for your report about it.

[Steve 9696]

I'm fairly experienced in the swing scene and Trapeze in Ft. Lauderdale is probably the best I've been to. Bear in mind, the social dynamic is pretty much the same everywhere. Couples are mostly older (like 40's), while the younger, better looking couples tend to be cliquish and stand-offish. That said, the magical charm is always the unicorn (pretty young girl), so if you bring that with you, you have your opening. But, you still must be sociable, dress well, and be attractive to the ladies of the other couples. Even then, you might just wind up playing with your own partner in the back rooms, which still can be fun, especially if you like voyeurism and exhibitionism, or just enjoy being surrounded by sexual energy (as I do). These events are not free-for-all, random-swapping orgies like you see in porn. Furthermore, the best events are private house or hotel parties, not the clubs in my opinion, but when you go to a club in a new town, ask around and find out who runs the best events and get into the inner circle. It's not that hard (again, if you have that unicorn).

Some events allow single men, and I avoid those like the plague. Trapeze allows them on Friday nights and I made the mistake of going earlier this year with a very sexy girl. I was fighting off packs of hyenas all night long, and eventually had to have one relentless stalker removed from the club. Saturday nights (at most clubs around the country) are usually reserved for couples and single women only, so that's when I'd choose to go.

Wow. I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find a senior ISG member who knows this scene but I am stunned this scene exists. We are def going on a no single guys night. But Kayla is legit finest overall body I've ever been with and a super pretty face. She warned me all the guys will be eye fucking her and I'm ok w that.

Our plan at this point is to stay one on one (this is what Valentina and I did). I don't think I'the be averse to a swap with a hot couple but we will see — esp since only half our couple is hot. LOL. Kayla is bi so no issue if she wants to make out a girl or eat pussy while I pound her. I'm truly excited and was already excited!

[CarloRogue]

A lot of women use this line on guys, so please do not be fooled. Women have told me this a lot; do not underestimate how cunny these ladies can be.

I don't care what women say (hence my rule #2: never believe what a sugar baby says). You've made a big mistake if you've put yourself in a position to trust a sugar baby. But this is not to say I hate women. I only care if they (1) show up, (2) look reasonably like their pics, (3) are fun on some level. They can tell me whatever stories they want, whatever helps them in the moment feel good about themselves, while I smile and nod along.

[DramaFree11]

Steve has posted lots of great advice on using SA in the USA. I have also posted a bunch of advice in this thread too. When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exagerration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand, and met about a hundred. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs, and most of them were great. I would say that it was worth it, BUT only because I also enjoyed the searching and the process. If the search for good SBs is a pain in the ass for you, then SA in the USA may not be ideal for you.

Great, post! I agree the Search sometimes is the best part.

[DramaFree11]

Go ahead and laugh from the sidelines then, and keep posting your misogynist observations of no consequence here. Your theme has been said countless times on the other SB boards, and usually from a poster that complains about getting banned from SA. If you're convinced they're all prostitutes, then the ones on there will find you and vice versa (there are indeed some, no doubt). And then eventually, the moderators will find you both too. Furthermore, I'm glad there are people like you on the site (as long as you manage to last), as it makes it so much easier for me to stand out with the genuine girl-next-door. Heard many times: "You're the first guy I met because you didn't sound like a creep". Well that was pretty easy.

Yep, it all boils down to jealousy. Trust me we all pay for girls one way or another. If I miss a day of work, it costs me at least $700-1000 and most of that is profit. My main crew are all-stars, but when I am not there things change. So if I am flying or driving all over the world it does cost money, even if I do not pay directly. Honestly the guys that make more money pay more, because they miss work. Guys, can call it whatever they want, but we all pay and married guys usually pay way more!

I agree there is a lot of b. S on SA especially in the States, but you can find some real great girls. Midw. Gave some great advice, "enjoy the search", but do not waste too much time on it. Devote 30-60 minutes a day. Nothing wrong with meeting someone for a drink or coffee, maybe something good will develop. Just never pre-pay and you will be fine.

[Shyzai]

Heard many times: "You're the first guy I met because you didn't sound like a creep". Well that was pretty easy.

A lot of women use this line on guys, so please do not be fooled. Women have told me this a lot; do not underestimate how cunny these ladies can be.

[CarloRogue]

It's really funny how upset some of you guys are getting.

I said the women on these sites are worse than prostitutes because prostitutes are at least honest about who they are and what's happening.

If guys want to fool themselves into believing that they're seducing incredible women and that they're really only giving "gifts" instead of a fee, that's their (unfortunate and sad) business. But the rest of us are free to laugh at the absurdity of it.

As I said earlier, stop paying and see how long any of these "relationships" last.

Go ahead and laugh from the sidelines then, and keep posting your misogynist observations of no consequence here. Your theme has been said countless times on the other SB boards, and usually from a poster that complains about getting banned from SA. If you're convinced they're all prostitutes, then the ones on there will find you and vice versa (there are indeed some, no doubt). And then eventually, the moderators will find you both too. Furthermore, I'm glad there are people like you on the site (as long as you manage to last), as it makes it so much easier for me to stand out with the genuine girl-next-door. Heard many times: "You're the first guy I met because you didn't sound like a creep". Well that was pretty easy.

[CarloRogue]

I kinda like that I can treat my girls to experiences they might not get in their regular lives. And rarely but sometimes it's reciprocated. Like Valentina took me to the swingers club in Buenos Aires and wow was that fun. Doesn't suck to have the prettiest girl in the club either.

Well what do you know. There are swingers clubs in Florida and frankly they look pretty great. Kayla has been snd going to introduce me when we meet up. It looks super fun and classy (like they separate couples and single ladies from the single dudes and have some nights where no extra dudes allowed period). Looks amazing and she recommends it. Can't wait.

I'm fairly experienced in the swing scene and Trapeze in Ft. Lauderdale is probably the best I've been to. Bear in mind, the social dynamic is pretty much the same everywhere. Couples are mostly older (like 40's), while the younger, better looking couples tend to be cliquish and stand-offish. That said, the magical charm is always the unicorn (pretty young girl), so if you bring that with you, you have your opening. But, you still must be sociable, dress well, and be attractive to the ladies of the other couples. Even then, you might just wind up playing with your own partner in the back rooms, which still can be fun, especially if you like voyeurism and exhibitionism, or just enjoy being surrounded by sexual energy (as I do). These events are not free-for-all, random-swapping orgies like you see in porn. Furthermore, the best events are private house or hotel parties, not the clubs in my opinion, but when you go to a club in a new town, ask around and find out who runs the best events and get into the inner circle. It's not that hard (again, if you have that unicorn).

Some events allow single men, and I avoid those like the plague. Trapeze allows them on Friday nights and I made the mistake of going earlier this year with a very sexy girl. I was fighting off packs of hyenas all night long, and eventually had to have one relentless stalker removed from the club. Saturday nights (at most clubs around the country) are usually reserved for couples and single women only, so that's when I'd choose to go.

[Akibono]

I kinda like that I can treat my girls to experiences they might not get in their regular lives. And rarely but sometimes it's reciprocated. Like Valentina took me to the swingers club in Buenos Aires and wow was that fun. Doesn't suck to have the prettiest girl in the club either.

Well what do you know. There are swingers clubs in Florida and frankly they look pretty great. Kayla has been snd going to introduce me when we meet up. It looks super fun and classy (like they separate couples and single ladies from the single dudes and have some nights where no extra dudes allowed period). Looks amazing and she recommends it. Can't wait.

My fondest memories are from my younger years at swingers clubs. The visuals vary, but the sex, if it can be found is mind blowing. Help her find that kink you have been missing.

[Steve 9696]

I kinda like that I can treat my girls to experiences they might not get in their regular lives. And rarely but sometimes it's reciprocated. Like Valentina took me to the swingers club in Buenos Aires and wow was that fun. Doesn't suck to have the prettiest girl in the club either.

Well what do you know. There are swingers clubs in Florida and frankly they look pretty great. Kayla has been snd going to introduce me when we meet up. It looks super fun and classy (like they separate couples and single ladies from the single dudes and have some nights where no extra dudes allowed period). Looks amazing and she recommends it. Can't wait.

[Jack Miami]

It sounds that you are doing a log of symantics without noticing that you replaced "some"with "most" yourselves.

What do you use as arguments for determing SBs as "worse"?

I would suggest that you have limited if any insight in the SD / SB scene.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

My experience is that both SBs and SDs can find relationships they couldn't dream about. ThaT said, there is for sure some individuals in these sites who should be elsewhere. Maybe you are talking about them?

It's really funny how upset some of you guys are getting.

I said the women on these sites are worse than prostitutes because prostitutes are at least honest about who they are and what's happening.

If guys want to fool themselves into believing that they're seducing incredible women and that they're really only giving "gifts" instead of a fee, that's their (unfortunate and sad) business. But the rest of us are free to laugh at the absurdity of it.

As I said earlier, stop paying and see how long any of these "relationships" last.

[Blue Swede]

Of course. Most of the women would be thrilled to provide a paid "relationship" with their old shlubby clients than have sex with them. My point was just that no one should pretend that the women on these sites are anything other than prostitutes. In a lot of ways, these women are worse than prostitutes.

It sounds that you are doing a log of symantics without noticing that you replaced "some"with "most" yourselves.

What do you use as arguments for determing SBs as "worse"?

I would suggest that you have limited if any insight in the SD / SB scene.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

My experience is that both SBs and SDs can find relationships they couldn't dream about. ThaT said, there is for sure some individuals in these sites who should be elsewhere. Maybe you are talking about them?