Costa del Sol (Southern Coast) / Malaga

[MagicSheep74]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...chez-kg5k8hnj2

Discuss.

If it ever came into effect, which would take a century in Spain.

Move to Dubai. If no good.

Then Thailand. Simple.

It an massive undertaken in Spain, and I fully believe the Spaniards are crafty enough to get around it.

Not worried, but love my hookers.

MS.

[Delta Indigo]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...chez-kg5k8hnj2

Discuss.

I think the socialists tried this already and Podemos stopped them. Hopefully this is just empty internal socialist party politics and has no chance of being enacted.

[Andalus Expat]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...chez-kg5k8hnj2

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[PayForIt]

While not seeing what you're buying can be a disaster, carrying out a conversation is not fool proof either. I took a woman in Dubai, Vietnamese, who promised me she was going to do all kinds of nasty things including allowing me to record it. We got to the room and she did none of it. Luckily the women after her were far better but it was another lesson that you just never know what type of service you're going to get.

At the end of the day, you have to hope you made a good but it isn't exactly a science. Some women are far worse at their job than others.

All totally true and of course I have had the same where I've been promised the earth in the bar only to discover that the service in the room is poor. This is why, with someone new, I always say I'll start with short time and if it is going well I will extend. I normally do long rooms, tell them that, but only if the service is good and we have hit it off. But I've still had disappointments. Its part of the sport!

But yet again this is another reason to go to clubs instead of using independents (unless you know them). If I've picked someone from a line up face to face, then even if the service is bad I'm likely to enjoy fucking a pretty girl who I chose because I like how she looks. Even if for only a short while but still in the knowledge that I can go back downstairs and choose another pretty girl and start again. No disaster for me.

Now think of the same nightmare with someone from an advert in an apartment…if you are on the wrong receiving end of bait and switch in some grotty apartment, eager for fun, only to discover some overage fatty who posted fake pictures and then you have to leave, balls aching for release, and get on your mobile to find another one, who is also 50/50 to be another scammer who also looks awful because you have not met her to test it before and she’s use fake pictures to lure you in. She doesn’t work in a cub probably because she ain’t pretty enough to get selected. That's more than a disaster to me. I accept fully that this is not true of every independent and I have 3 who work privately in Spain who did work in clubs but have left for three different reasons. They are all excellent, very pretty and good. But I know what they look like before I start.

Selecting off slumi or something like that is sadly, trial and error which I am highly unlikely to repeat again in future.

So verbal promises might not always be honoured, as you rightly say, but in a club you chalk it down to a bad one, return downstairs and select again and can be back in the room in only 10 minutes ready to enjoy. It's very rare to get two bad apples in a row in a club in my experience and even if you did, you've had two good looking girls and knew that your eyes didn't deceive you even if her mouth did! But better that that to have had x2 bait and switch ugly women, and still have to get back on your phone, back in your car, find another flat etc….zzzzzzz….just kills the whole mood. My guess is that in 5 years time this will all change - you’ll FaceTime everyone before you meet them, so you won’t see just photoshopped pics. As Qaz says - he does video calls first - good idea - and if they won’t do that, ask why not.

I don’t disagree with your main point - promises face to face are sometimes not honoured at all and you mention Dubai. Well, if you are staying at Meridien (Jules club), Karama (Ratasky), Capitol (Czar), or York hotel (York bar) or even Moscow Hotel (Red square club), then again, you can end a session and go back to the club in the hotel and choose again. But not so easy if you are staying at another hotel and have to take a girl back only to find you are then disappointed. Your post got me remembering my sessions in all of those places (and Hyatt/Premium) over the years. Whilst the others are bigger, or have other live entertainment, I have a soft spot for York (despite it being old) and Jules (small but quality). Hope you had better experiences than your disappointment with the girl you mention.

[CairoMilito]

I am going to visit Marbella this weekend and I found this princess in Slumi and I have fallen in love. Has anyone enjoyed any experience with Nikol? What can you tell me about her?

https://www.slumi.com/escorts/marbel...arita-id-6rrz4

[Rocko20]

Nothing compares with being able to look at what you are buying, and carrying out a pleasant Q&A to find out if you have some compatibility and chemistry. Nothing will ever persuade me otherwise and for many years in London I risked this same bait and switch nonsense and was more often than not disappointed. As Qaz says. Do a video interview first and if they refuse it tells you everything. Or. Just rock up at a club and make your own decisions based upon what your eyes can see and ears can hear.

While not seeing what you're buying can be a disaster, carrying out a conversation is not fool proof either. I took a woman in Dubai, Vietnamese, who promised me she was going to do all kinds of nasty things including allowing me to record it. We got to the room and she did none of it. Luckily the women after her were far better but it was another lesson that you just never know what type of service you're going to get.

At the end of the day, you have to hope you made a good but it isn't exactly a science. Some women are far worse at their job than others.

[Qazwsx5]

Alessia, slumi marbella is highly recommended.

[PayForIt]

When I arrived, an older and rounder woman showed me in to a room where I could wait for the available women to present themselves. Two women presented themselves. One could possibly be one of the women in the photos, 15 years and 10 kg later, but not sure. The other one looked nothing at all like the photo. Woman #3 from the photos was nowhere to be seen. Asked the "mamasan" about that, but she just gave me a half sad / half apologising look of "I know, the women look nothing at all like the photos, but you'd never come here if I showed you the real photos. " I could see from her demeanour that many must have complained about the same before me, but since keeps doing it I guess there must be some suckers who go for it. Total bait 'n switch scam that I recommend to stay far away from.

Thanks for the honest report. You have my sympathies. Another fine example of why using independents is such a lottery. Clubs have their downsides but you don't end up in a room with some fat old granny because your balls are busting in anticipation. Nothing compares with being able to look at what you are buying, and carrying out a pleasant Q&A to find out if you have some compatibility and chemistry. Nothing will ever persuade me otherwise and for many years in London I risked this same bait and switch nonsense and was more often than not disappointed. As Qaz says. Do a video interview first and if they refuse it tells you everything. Or. Just rock up at a club and make your own decisions based upon what your eyes can see and ears can hear.

[Qazwsx5]

You had much better luck than me then. I happened to be in the area and sent them a message, asking for photos of who was available *now*. Received photos of three women in return and I said I'd be there in 5 minutes, which I was.

When I arrived, an older and rounder woman showed me in to a room where I could wait for the available women to present themselves. Two women presented themselves. One could possibly be one of the women in the photos, 15 years and 10 kg later, but not sure. The other one looked nothing at all like the photo. Woman #3 from the photos was nowhere to be seen. Asked the "mamasan" about that, but she just gave me a half sad / half apologising look of "I know, the women look nothing at all like the photos, but you'd never come here if I showed you the real photos. " I could see from her demeanour that many must have complained about the same before me, but since keeps doing it I guess there must be some suckers who go for it.

The number is https://www.pasion.com/contactos/602893896.htm. Total bait 'n switch scam that I recommend to stay far away from.

Thanks for the warning. I always try to do a video call. Just to make sure if they are real or not. But that's not possible with the villas or apartments.

[Werqweq]

Qazwsx5. I started coming down here again in around 2010. (Before that the other side of Marbella, in the 80's. Roundabout girls days!) I've had a home here since 2011. There's very little PayForIt mentions I haven't been to. I had an apartment a short walk from Estark's ever convenient fag machine for 2 years. I've got the T-shirts & gone on to other things. It was tedious enough chauffeuring Pepe around some of them, a few weeks back.

Teresa- Peru. Saw her at an apartment in Calle Heroes Dos de Mayo, Fueng. Had a very full day & fancied a bit of fun to unwind. She wasn't actually the girl I'd intended seeing but she wasn't working. So I suppose sthis one was filling in. She wasn't advertised but she's been around for several months. Maybe late 20's, small naturals on a delightfully slim suntanned bod. Strikingly pretty. Real high cheekboned S. Americana with lots of dark hair. Whole thing didn't turn out as I'd expected. Amusing company, very willing. More like making love than screwing a prossie. It wasn't exactly a GFE I'd been intending but left me thinking she'd be nice to wake up with. Normal BBBJ etc hour 100 euros. Went home & gave the chica's been staying in the spare room a thorough seeing to for dessert. Total contrast. No limits ball of fire, take no prisoners puta. Wrung another two orgasms out of me before I hoisted the white flag.

https://www.pasion.com/contactos-muj...-542684493.htm

You had much better luck than me then. I happened to be in the area and sent them a message, asking for photos of who was available *now*. Received photos of three women in return and I said I'd be there in 5 minutes, which I was.

When I arrived, an older and rounder woman showed me in to a room where I could wait for the available women to present themselves. Two women presented themselves. One could possibly be one of the women in the photos, 15 years and 10 kg later, but not sure. The other one looked nothing at all like the photo. Woman #3 from the photos was nowhere to be seen. Asked the "mamasan" about that, but she just gave me a half sad / half apologising look of "I know, the women look nothing at all like the photos, but you'd never come here if I showed you the real photos. " I could see from her demeanour that many must have complained about the same before me, but since keeps doing it I guess there must be some suckers who go for it.

The number is https://www.pasion.com/contactos/602893896.htm. Total bait 'n switch scam that I recommend to stay far away from.

[Andalus Expat]

Have you ever had any problems with girls coming to your home? I mean they then know where you live, what you have and etc.

Very little. Usual precautions. Don't leave tempting things lying about. I had a dozen or more here at the same time during Covid lockdown. They had little money & the places they were living in weren't suitable for long term occupation. If they even had somewhere to stay. They will tend to drink you out of booze if you let them. And the consumption of toilet paper, tissues & mouthwash is astronomical.

I think it depends on what lifestyle you live. I've always had homes with a lot of visitors, parties etc. So it's just more of the same. Putas are no more thieves than lawyers. Just not as adroit.

[Qazwsx5]

No sign of it. I don't think market economics is something the latin mind can understand. There's been discussion about this here before. Their reaction to reduced turnover is to increase prices to make up the shortfall. There's a sense of entitlement. They think offering a service X euros less than a competitor is giving the buyer X euros. Where I would say getting PRICE less X, is getting PRICE less X that you wouldn't have otherwise got. Less is better than nothing. But they don't think like that.

That's not to say one can't benefit from the situation. Actually the situation hasn't changed that much. There's always been an oversupply of girls for the number of potential clients. It's just worse these days. I've been leveraging that for years before Covid struck. It's just easier now. It's a matter of understanding how this business works & the incentives of the people in it. Who's making the decisions. Dealing with girls working independently is different from girls working for an apartment. One you're negotiating with the girl herself, the other, you're negotiating with the encargada. Most of the girls I see are on outcalls, which makes it easier. It's on my turf & I'm in control. With independents, say the girl's offering incalls 100 outcalls 150. I'll pay her 150 for the first hour but offer 100 for the second because the 50's for her travelling time. Now it's 02:30 in the morning, she's been having a good time, there's little chance she'll get another client, she wants to hang around, she can. If she gets a call & a booking she can have a shower & go off on it from here. So often they end up staying the night. Maybe they get another hundred. I've ended up paying 350 for 9 hours of her company, although I may be another hundred down on "consumables". We've had a good time. She's had a good time. But I do have a lot of advantages. There's usually another puta already here. She very quickly twigs that I know as much about this game as she does & I'll only pay what I want to pay. None of "the usual tactics" are going to work. We never pay extra for being a couple, she gets the same as one half of a duo. Normal rate. The girl already here I have a separate arrangement with. Often based on mutual benefits. So I may not be paying her at all if she gets involved. Girls like to have fun as well!

Negotiating with an encargada in an apartment is a bit different because maybe half of the trick money's going to her. But incentives. Half of the battle of running an apartment is getting the girls earning enough money to keep them. She may be content to take less than normal. She may even be happy to have the girl out where she's making nothing. The girl can be available in 15 minutes if she gets a client & she hasn't got her cluttering up the apartment moaning about not earning enough. The important thing is, she keeps the girl for another day. And with encargadas, the girl herself may be doing half of the negotiating. The thing to remember with negotiating is that you're the one with the money. You call the shots. If you're not getting what you want, you don't have to accept the deal. The other side's in a much weaker position. They need the money. You'll also get their respect because you're not the dumb fuck most clients are. Being led around by their dicks. Makes it easier next time.

You see why I have so little interest in puticlubs? I'd have to be mad to pay 600 euros plus drinks for two hours of a disinterested duo in Estark The opportunities for negotiating are trivial. Hardly worth the bother.

Have you ever had any problems with girls coming to your home? I mean they then know where you live, what you have and etc.

[Andalus Expat]

Good to hear that.

Do you think the prices will come down now that summer is over?

No sign of it. I don't think market economics is something the latin mind can understand. There's been discussion about this here before. Their reaction to reduced turnover is to increase prices to make up the shortfall. There's a sense of entitlement. They think offering a service X euros less than a competitor is giving the buyer X euros. Where I would say getting PRICE less X, is getting PRICE less X that you wouldn't have otherwise got. Less is better than nothing. But they don't think like that.

That's not to say one can't benefit from the situation. Actually the situation hasn't changed that much. There's always been an oversupply of girls for the number of potential clients. It's just worse these days. I've been leveraging that for years before Covid struck. It's just easier now. It's a matter of understanding how this business works & the incentives of the people in it. Who's making the decisions. Dealing with girls working independently is different from girls working for an apartment. One you're negotiating with the girl herself, the other, you're negotiating with the encargada. Most of the girls I see are on outcalls, which makes it easier. It's on my turf & I'm in control. With independents, say the girl's offering incalls 100 outcalls 150. I'll pay her 150 for the first hour but offer 100 for the second because the 50's for her travelling time. Now it's 02:30 in the morning, she's been having a good time, there's little chance she'll get another client, she wants to hang around, she can. If she gets a call & a booking she can have a shower & go off on it from here. So often they end up staying the night. Maybe they get another hundred. I've ended up paying 350 for 9 hours of her company, although I may be another hundred down on "consumables". We've had a good time. She's had a good time. But I do have a lot of advantages. There's usually another puta already here. She very quickly twigs that I know as much about this game as she does & I'll only pay what I want to pay. None of "the usual tactics" are going to work. We never pay extra for being a couple, she gets the same as one half of a duo. Normal rate. The girl already here I have a separate arrangement with. Often based on mutual benefits. So I may not be paying her at all if she gets involved. Girls like to have fun as well!

Negotiating with an encargada in an apartment is a bit different because maybe half of the trick money's going to her. But incentives. Half of the battle of running an apartment is getting the girls earning enough money to keep them. She may be content to take less than normal. She may even be happy to have the girl out where she's making nothing. The girl can be available in 15 minutes if she gets a client & she hasn't got her cluttering up the apartment moaning about not earning enough. The important thing is, she keeps the girl for another day. And with encargadas, the girl herself may be doing half of the negotiating. The thing to remember with negotiating is that you're the one with the money. You call the shots. If you're not getting what you want, you don't have to accept the deal. The other side's in a much weaker position. They need the money. You'll also get their respect because you're not the dumb fuck most clients are. Being led around by their dicks. Makes it easier next time.

You see why I have so little interest in puticlubs? I'd have to be mad to pay 600 euros plus drinks for two hours of a disinterested duo in Estark The opportunities for negotiating are trivial. Hardly worth the bother.

[Qazwsx5]

Indeed. I visited the house again last week. Nuria was having a couple of days off so tried one of the others. Colombian, Daniela, around 30. Same services provided professionally & willingly. Prices the same. Can't say I clicked quite as well as with Nuria but that could be down to me.

All in all it's looking a promising house. Photos are genuine, no porkies in the adverts. The encargada's Lorena, says they've been there for three months. It'll go on my other list of recommendations. For girls I know looking for somewhere to work. It looks to be a happy house. Some of them aren't.

Good to hear that.

Do you think the prices will come down now that summer is over?

[Andalus Expat]

Thanks for the report.

It looks mighty promising.

Indeed. I visited the house again last week. Nuria was having a couple of days off so tried one of the others. Colombian, Daniela, around 30. Same services provided professionally & willingly. Prices the same. Can't say I clicked quite as well as with Nuria but that could be down to me.

All in all it's looking a promising house. Photos are genuine, no porkies in the adverts. The encargada's Lorena, says they've been there for three months. It'll go on my other list of recommendations. For girls I know looking for somewhere to work. It looks to be a happy house. Some of them aren't.