Stupid shit in Medellin

[Elvis 2008]

Point being: when you want to communicate something about effectiveness, there is always a ton of context. It doesn't help at all to just knock out a number and amplify stuff you read somewhere without understanding the meaning of it. Be better. And dare to think for yourself.

Well, yeah. The 39% number is just laughable in the sense that a vaccine being 95% effective against a cold virus was never going to hold up because of the mutations. Fauci is off saying being vaccinated means you are 5 X less likely to be hospitalized and 11 X less likely to die, however that is comparing not what is going on recently but from the start. Yes, the vaccine worked great early on, but the latest data showed that you had to vaccinate 50 people to prevent one hospitalization and the risk of hospitalization with Covid vaccination went from 4% to 2% and doubtless it is lower now as that data is a month old now.

Looking at the vaccine data is like looking at the lockdown data in Colombia and Peru. Those countries locked down hard core, and Peru in particular had the highest death rate per capita, and it looked to me that all these hard core lockdowns did was lead to misery, death, and economic destructiveness, a finding confirmed by a Stanford study. The irony is the Stanford study could not find a developed nation that did nothing. Sweden came the closest to doing nothing and had similar outcomes to other nations studied and so the Stanford study showed that minimal Covid intervention was as good as full lockdowns.

And so here we go again. Israel had the highest vaccinated rate in the world and the highest per capita number with Covid. Two other countries, the USA and UK, are heavily vaccinated and have huge numbers of cases. The only thing that makes sense to me is the vaccine is causing disease.

But this goes against what was happening in Peru. Lockdowns work I was told and when I mentioned Peru, a paper was written by a bunch of Yale yahoos who said Peru sucks. Okay, I said but wasn't that known before Covid? And how about Colombia? There was never a good explanation given for the data Colombia and Peru had outside of the fact that lockdowns do not work.

So you are saying that we need context, we need to understand that % effectiveness is not the only way to go, and I see this is the same crap being spewed all over again. It is just now that the unvaxxed suck versus the Peruvians suck because people want to hold onto the notion that being vaxxed, like wearing a mask, like covering the hands with antibacterial goo makes them virtuous, and they care about Covid, their fellow man, and are superior even if they are not. You are not going to tell those people that such interventions are fruitless.

Time and again I see people go to other countries and see people masked outside and say "This country takes Covid way more seriously than the USA" when in fact "taking things seriously" and spreading disease IMO has never been shown to correlate. Show me a study that outdoor masking works.

Yeah, the vaccines worked great early on, and their fall from grace was completely predictable and maybe just maybe the notion that "I am vaxxed and therefore am safe" may be driving this latest wave of Covid infections.

Hey, I got making the vaccines mandatory early on. They were that great but now? Can you prove to me they even work given the latest data? Because I sure as hell do not see it.

All I see is the same bullshit I saw about lockdowns and Colombia and Peru. Lockdowns work. The vaccine works, and Elvis, you can take the data that shows it does not and go fuck yourself.

That is fine, but you do not dare call ignoring the data "science". It is politics. And this notion that "jobs come back while lives never do" is looking dumber and dumber every day now. All I see is a whole lot of lives lost and completely unnecessary economic carnage.

Paying people not to work, going into massive debt, stay home and stay safe, closing down gyms, is anyone going to own this stupidity now? Or are we just going to listen to the same fools as spouted off this other crap before?

[JustTK]

On this same hand, is there not a need to know how many unvaccinated people that died of covid were afflicted by other illnesses (or obesity) that would hinder an immune response?
CNN's own Dr Gupta did not think they were being a legit news source by saying Joe Rogan was taking animal drugs.

Those stats were circulating a lot when COVID first came out. The death rate was very low for persons under 65 and with no underlying med conditions. I just had a quick look and found this paper:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8209444/

It says that death rate of people with conditions is 4 times higher than that without. Interestingly it also show the risk of men is almost twice as high as for women. This is based on confirmed cases only.

Gupta. Yeah I saw that. It was an amazing interview. Another dishonest and lying prominent health expert. That's all we need.

[Mr Enternational]

Tucker Carlson, a fuckface who refuses to reveal his vaccination status, seized the day to use the death of Colin Powell to cast doubt on vaccines. Yet he left out of his monologue the fact that Powell had cancer which greatly hinders an immune response, in spite of vaccination, all while being 84 years old. So Carlson is dishonest by omission

On this same hand, is there not a need to know how many unvaccinated people that died of covid were afflicted by other illnesses (or obesity) that would hinder an immune response? Maybe an unvaccinated "healthy" person stands an even better chance than a vaccinated person with some kind of health condition as Colin Powell, and being vaccinated will give them no advantage at all over the virus.

This info is not put out the same as Mr. Carlson did not put out that particular info on Mr. Powell. So there appears to be more than one fuckface that is holding information back that would otherwise help people make an educated or informed decision for themselves.

CNN, though left leaning is at least a legit news source

CNN's own Dr Gupta did not think they were being a legit news source by saying Joe Rogan was taking animal drugs.

Reminds me when I was in the Navy and we would enjoy a refreshing beverage called bug juice. It was the same thing that was used as a brass cleaner. Ships full of sailors drinking brass cleaner. The Navy must be full of stupid fuckfaces.

[Culture]

First, I began my journey in the land of eternal spring in 2009-2010. I have been here longer than most people. I do not post much but I can tell you newbies, to please not read or trust the writings of the person mentioned below. This is not how you should act in Medellin, not back then and not now.

I love Medellin for so many reasons. The women here are superficial, for sure. It becomes worse each year. But the weather, infrastructure, beauty of the women, mountains, short distance to so many natural areas, makes this one of the best places to visit. Not to mention its a short distance from Washington, DC. Now, I been to Brazil, I been to Germany, and all of EU. I been to Asia. I been all over. Is Medellin perfect, of course not. But each year we are complaining about something else.

Are you looking for love in Medellin? Chances are you won't find it unless you get outside the monger scene totally. Even then you will have to deal with paisa innate nature. It can be done, I've seen it first hand many of times. If you are mongering, there are so many options here, there is no reason to feel bad. Are prices going up. Yes. Why? Because there is actual inflation, there is a shortage of money, these women need money, and certain mongers who are willing to pay a bit more for good service. I have been here since August now, and I have no one flake on me yet from Facebook or otherwise. I have flaked because I didn't feel like meeting up sometime.

OK on to my report, La Isla has been trash to me. I don't know how people find these amazing women there. Don't go on Monday or Saturday is my advice. I have found in a previous trip, an amazing beautiful Colombiana, I am talking about Sofia Vegara (younger) level. She was brand new, wearing a red dress, I was standing at the bar and took her right away. Since then, I have had little to no luck finding anything worthy at La Isla. Fase Dos is much better for me. The guys there all know me and treat me well. The women there are more chill and you can find something if you want. I did notice they are starting to not like you getting their numbers, you have to be more discrete. The Vennies especially don't want to give their # in front of any bartender.

I went to that casa a lot of people talk about with the bar in Centro (Zandalay I believe). That did not disappoint. There were only 4 or 5 girls, but 3 were bangable. One was stunning, but she was taken by the guy at the bar. When me and my boy walked in, he quickly finished his beer and went out and grabbed her. Good idea cause we def would have taken her. Andrea a Vennie is very good.

Seeking Arrangements is great, and can lead to some amazing women + lays. I am talking to a girl who has visited USA right now, speaks English and its much more GFE than anything else.

If you want some regular girls, go to the malls. Some women working can be straight up bitchy but others are amazing and very easy to get #s from.

Bumble is working well here too. More and more Medellin women are joining. Of course with that, prepagos are joining as well but nothing near the level of Tinder. Speaking of Tinder, there is a 20 year old ring going on around Sabaneta, with girls forming a chica network. You will notice them with small amount of IG pictures (just enough) and also they all take pics at the same locales ie their one trip to Cartagena. I am unsure how innocent this network is. I am hoping its just a network of 20 year olds just trying to get some money for school. I have run into these networks before through various means, and it was finding a goldmine. One chick I regularly see (not a prepago or at least not the traditional type), has joined a webcam company. She has become too busy and w / my work schedule it doesn't work out but she is extremely hot. I am hoping to get the new version of her with this new network.

I'll keep you update but remember, mongering doesn't mean exploration. Mongering does not mean you have to brag and think you are better than others. Mongering doesn't mean if you didn't write about it, it didn't happen. Mongering doesn't mean you have to try to 1 up someone else. Those types of mongers are the ones you do not want to be, and I have never seen any of those actually happy. They think they're happy, but they are not. They mask their sadness and loneliness with a lot of sex that for most people would get boring and non-fufilling. It becomes an addiction to them. Don't be like these people. Learn to live in balance. Have fun and be safe.

Honestly, anything with Osteoknot I automatically skip.

Been in MDE since Aug. 23rd or so. Staying in Laureles. Most things are the same as before. Went to Gustos (meh), the other spot Lleras Park (I believe) is packed. Much more girls there so it seems to have a head to head competition. Went to La Isla on a Monday and it was slow, then went to Paradise. Energy talent is lacking. It used to be so much better. I have a regular stable of girls I talk to and they are working out well so far. One of my regulars who doesn't do this normally (or at least not in the same circles for mongers) found some job as a webcam chick. She goes to a studio in Laureles where they do shows. It is just a single show but they pay her well. Met a 23 year old from Seeking and it went well. Have a lot of other dates lined up from Seeking. I will hit up some centro casas soon. I have not been to Fase Dos since I been back but will check it out soon. Really love Repeat for brunch, the whole Provenza area has really grown. They shut down the streets and made it so there are now places to sit etc. Vintrash is a cool spot for regular girls or to take a girl. I like the 3rd floor with house. Some friends are djing at a place called Mad Radio which is near the Medellin Beer company thing. Was at Envy today, a few groups of all chicks sitting around but I was with a girl. Seen mostly American tourists.

[JustTK]

In the paper you cite the authors conclude (p1413) "Our results reiterate in a real-world US setting that vaccination with BNT162 b2 remains an essential tool for preventing COVID-19", which sounds a bit different than your conclusion (rubber gloves and such). What gives? Judging from your comments and how you interpret those numbers, I think you do not fully understand what effectiveness is (same goes for your buddy Elvis and his 39%) and how it informs policy. Not trying to ridicule you, but since you asked for comments, here are a few.
The point is that a) there is a ton more that informs policy than a vaccine's effectiveness against infections, and b) you can't use effectiveness alone to push against vaccine recommendations, that would indeed be a fallacious argument.
Point being: when you want to communicate something about effectiveness, there is always a ton of context. It doesn't help at all to just knock out a number and amplify stuff you read somewhere without understanding the meaning of it.

Thanks for your reply. And great to meet someone here that can disagree without resorting to insult.

I understand well what effectiveness means. In this context it is describiing the effectiveness of the vaccine against infection. The Pfizer vax is only 47% effective against infection after 5 months. This is clearly greater than zero, but a lot less than the 88% that it started at. It says nothing about the long term ability of the vax to prevent serious illness or death.

My purpose in posting that link was to show that the vax will not prevent the spread and continued circulation of the virus, even in fully vaccinated regions. We hear every day on the news "Get vaccinated bcos this is the only way we can prevent the spread of the virus and prevent new variants from appearring". And "if you do not get vaccinated, you are causing the virus the mutate". These claims are simply false. The vax gives some protection to the vaccinated. And will help avoid short term emergency overloads at hospitals. The vax will not prevent new variants from appearring and further vaccines being required (should you choose to follow that route).

[Paulie97]

Seriously dude you need to get a grip on reality. Who are the ISGers who can confirm your presence in Colombia? Or anywhere else for that matter? I've never seen your name mentioned in someone elses post as someone they met with or hung out with. How can that me with your extensive world travelling and mongering experience? .

Go back to doing your homework and maybe after you get out of high school, you can get a job and save some money (or maybe mommy will give you a graduation present) and then instead of writing fantasy posts you can actually go someplace and get laid for the first time.

So, I'll wait for your brilliant retort about ass-licking. It seems to be your go to move. Jajajajaja.

He hasn't traveled any further than the length of his momma's umbilical cord. This was confirmed beyond doubt when he was caught posting a gringa's 2012 travel photos as his own.

[Paulie97]

Point being: when you want to communicate something about effectiveness, there is always a ton of context. It doesn't help at all to just knock out a number and amplify stuff you read somewhere without understanding the meaning of it. Be better. And dare to think for yourself.

Your whole post was excellent, but this concluding advice may be the best we have ever seen here on this subject. For example Tucker Carlson, a fuckface who refuses to reveal his vaccination status, seized the day to use the death of Colin Powell to cast doubt on vaccines. Yet he left out of his monologue the fact that Powell had cancer which greatly hinders an immune response, in spite of vaccination, all while being 84 years old. So Carlson is dishonest by omission, and his Joe six pack, angry white male fanboys allow him to do their thinking for them. This while 90% of Fox employees are vaccinated.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/18/media...dia/index.html

P.S. CNN, though left leaning is at least a legit news source that has raked Biden and other Democrats over the coals on many occasions. Fox though is tabloid, and guys like Carlson have plenty of blood on the hands.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Seriously dude you need to get a grip on reality. Who are the ISGers who can confirm your presence in Colombia? Or anywhere else for that matter? I've never seen your name mentioned in someone elses post as someone they met with or hung out with. How can that me with your extensive world travelling and mongering experience? .

Go back to doing your homework and maybe after you get out of high school, you can get a job and save some money (or maybe mommy will give you a graduation present) and then instead of writing fantasy posts you can actually go someplace and get laid for the first time.

So, I'll wait for your brilliant retort about ass-licking. It seems to be your go to move. Jajajajaja.

I will bother to respond to you, since I haven't kicked your teeth in lately, you really want to run with the childish tactic of accusing someone of something no one believes is true because you are so weak, lame and desperate you have nothing else, OMG you even used bolder italics OMG (what ISG wouldn't let you use RED)? Jajajaaaaaaaaa.

Only a fool tells someone like you who they are, I gave a monger a business card in Mexico once and he was sending me emails on an acct I didn't give him and stalking my Linkedin page, never again.

We can place a large wager, ok pussy? Lets do it, how much can you afford? I'm guessing not much, hanging around with that scumbag pedophile in Laureles, did you know you can tell a lot about someone by the company they choose to keep jajajajaa scumbags are attracted to scumbags, you're such a classless monger, the bottom of the barrel variety!

You sound like a low rent govt worker of some type? Not sure what, but I'm guessing bus driver or garbage collector.

I have met mongers from all over the world, I respect their anonymity and they respect mine. This is, an anonymous website and I do have a real life (I'm guessing unlike your lame ass).

We can place a large wager that I can back up what I say and prove it, maybe you can steal some money from your grandmother?

I don't have to prove anything (but I will take your money if you want) to a worthless asslicking scumbag like you, evidenced by your choice of BMs you meet up with ala scumbag JJquasimodo spreading the Chinese virus all over MDE, and the latest scumbag pedophile to appear on ISG, that tells us everything we need to know about dirtbag V.

I suggest we find a way to place the money for a large wager in an escrow account, if not move along and get back to licking Xis and the rest of the CCPs diarrhea drenched assholes.

You worthless China loving POS.

Post-script, for starters.

The admin has access to all IP addresses when posts are made.

I can provide that as prima facie evidence of where I post from you low IQ scumbag.

Don't be a pussy your whole life, put up or STFU and stick with what you love most.

[Villainy]

Jajajaaaaa are you referencing me?? Yes I've been there a couple times since then, and I'm pretty sure it was you that pmed me to meet up, do you seriously think I would ever meet up with a complete whackjob like you? I have met up with ISGers all over the world, but not.

Ones like you, you must be one of the goofiest members on all of ISG along with that made in China defective POS veryscaryselfharmingthoughts which I'm guessing is about 12-13 yo by the content of her posts.

If anyone reads your posts and agrees to meet up with you they belong in a damn psych ward also!!

Seriously dude you need to get a grip on reality. Who are the ISGers who can confirm your presence in Colombia? Or anywhere else for that matter? I've never seen your name mentioned in someone elses post as someone they met with or hung out with. How can that me with your extensive world travelling and mongering experience? .

Go back to doing your homework and maybe after you get out of high school, you can get a job and save some money (or maybe mommy will give you a graduation present) and then instead of writing fantasy posts you can actually go someplace and get laid for the first time.

So, I'll wait for your brilliant retort about ass-licking. It seems to be your go to move. Jajajajaja.

[Ptrbrgr]

Yeah your probably right. Couldn't possibly be this websites autocorrect function during posting. Must just be me who is stupid.

Try this one. www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02183-8/fulltext

I look fwd to your non stupid comments.

In the paper you cite the authors conclude (p1413) "Our results reiterate in a real-world US setting that vaccination with BNT162 b2 remains an essential tool for preventing COVID-19", which sounds a bit different than your conclusion (rubber gloves and such). What gives? Judging from your comments and how you interpret those numbers, I think you do not fully understand what effectiveness is (same goes for your buddy Elvis and his 39%) and how it informs policy. Not trying to ridicule you, but since you asked for comments, here are a few.

A vaccine with 0% effectiveness against infections (and imagine the headlines, the outrage, Fauci to the gallows!) could hypothetically still be one of the best vaccines ever. For example, if it kept you out of the hospital and completely prevented transmission (incl variants) from you to other people. Ethical concerns aside, Darwinism could then run its course among those who choose to remain unvaccinated, and that would be that. The point is that a) there is a ton more that informs policy than a vaccine's effectiveness against infections, and b) you can't use effectiveness alone to push against vaccine recommendations, that would indeed be a fallacious argument.

Also, effectiveness per se is not super helpful in policy decisions, since it is a relative risk (in the paper you cite, the calculations are based on hazard ratios). What you ideally want to have are absolute risks, which are much harder to come by because they depend on many things such as the time frame we are talking about, what variants we are looking at and how transmittable they are, your environment, the prevalence of the virus, etc. So the effectiveness doesn't tell you how likely or unlikely you are to get infected, it tells you how much less likely you are to get infected relative to some comparison group over the course of the study (and that can also get dicey, more on that below). You also need some sense of absolute risk to estimate the basic reproduction number R0, which is what you really want to know for public health recommendations (if R0 is less than 1, the virus is not finding enough hosts to infect, and the incidence goes down).

I think it is reasonable to conclude from Figure 2 a in the paper you cite that it appears to get progressively harder to protect the upper respiratory tract, due to waning of antibodies (and this is where the booster shots come in). But you also have to be extremely careful with soft endpoints such as viral infections, especially when you use electronic health records. A fairly sizeable fraction of infected people are completely asymptomatic and might enter the records as never infected. That can especially change the composition of you comparison group over time, and lead to a decrease in the estimates of effectiveness (just like in Figure 2 a) even if there was no waning of antibodies and your protection didn't change. This is not trivial stuff.

Point being: when you want to communicate something about effectiveness, there is always a ton of context. It doesn't help at all to just knock out a number and amplify stuff you read somewhere without understanding the meaning of it. Be better. And dare to think for yourself.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Another guy PM'ed me was coming in October of last year and still not here. In fact, he has never been to Colombia and posts all the time. We all know who that is..

Jajajaaaaa are you referencing me?? Yes I've been there a couple times since then, and I'm pretty sure it was you that pmed me to meet up, do you seriously think I would ever meet up with a complete whackjob like you? I have met up with ISGers all over the world, but not.

Ones like you, you must be one of the goofiest members on all of ISG along with that made in China defective POS veryscaryselfharmingthoughts which I'm guessing is about 12-13 yo by the content of her posts.

If anyone reads your posts and agrees to meet up with you they belong in a damn psych ward also!!

[BlackThought]

Another guy PM'ed me was coming in October of last year and still not here. In fact, he has never been to Colombia and posts all the time. We all know who that is.

Oh you didn't know? He was busy spending 180 nights in the Philippines jajajaj.

[JustTK]

This is from the above article: A July report from the Israel Ministry of Health found that Pfizer / BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel, where the
39% LOL. Better get busy and mandate that!
All this economic destructiveness that went on because we had to do something, and the USA is still #1 in Covid. All the money that was spent, all the hand wringing, all the preaching, all the lecturing, and it is estimated that 100 million Americans have had Covid by now.
Have you all noticed that since Colombia ended the lockdown cases in Colombia went from 30,000 a day to less than 2000? Amazing huh?

Hehe. In the link I posted, if you managed to figure out the url that ISG keeps altering, Pfizer themselves funded a study that shows their own vaccine is 47% effective after 5 months. Really? Is that a vaccine or a pair of rubber gloves? Vegan diet does 73% better on COVID outcomes. That's a better long term result than Pfizer. Maybe that's why India has such low deaths (other than understating their deaths).

Yes, I agree on Colombia. Amazing that COVID is last year's news here now. Its not even mentioned anymore. They have obviously reached a level of natural immunity where the virus no longer poses a national emergency. Plus they don't have an obesity rate of 42.4%, and all the other confounding factors of a generally low health country.

But anyway, on with the insults and ad hominems.

[JustTK]

trolling around,.

Really? Making posts is trolling? So your trolling now, right?

pushing fallacious arguments against Covid restrictions and vaccines.

Name one, name one fallacious argument. Or are you just making fallacious claims?

disassociates himself from his own words and backpeddles off into the sunset.

You mean refuses to be strawmanned. Hehe.

May be a sock puppet for someone else that has never set foot in Colombia.

Not sure what a sock puppet is. But has met Mr E in Centro, would have met Osteo last week too if it wasnt plssing it down!

Seems its your words that can be ignored.

[Elvis 2008]

I find a little on this out there, but more related to recent times. Feel free to elaborate further.

P.S. Even in the tougher situations, such as the summer surge in Israel which is currently waning, the vaccines are still highly effective against severe cases that lead to hospitalizations and death.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/william...h=52f6f09c5b6e

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/israel/

This is from the above article: A July report from the Israel Ministry of Health found that Pfizer / BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel, where the Delta variant is the dominant strain but still provides strong protection against severe illness and hospitalization.

39% LOL. Better get busy and mandate that!

It gets worse: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.

Look at total number of active cases: 17.8 million. Now where are they? USA has 9.7 million or 54% of cases. UK, another country with a huge number of vaccinated is #2 with 1.3 million or 8% of cases. Now how can two of the most vaccinated countries in the world be home to roughly 2 in 3 cases of active Covid?

Is it possible that giving the vaccine causes disease? WTF other explanation is there?

All this economic destructiveness that went on because we had to do something, and the USA is still #1 in Covid. All the money that was spent, all the hand wringing, all the preaching, all the lecturing, and it is estimated that 100 million Americans have had Covid by now.

Isn't it time to ask if we did any fucking good at all?

India should have been destroyed by Covid, and I read a report that a free medicine packet that contained $2. 65 worth of medications saved that nation. India may be the only nation on earth that actually really did something about Covid.

Have you all noticed that since Colombia ended the lockdown cases in Colombia went from 30,000 a day to less than 2000? Amazing huh?