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10-21-21 20:56 #1891
Posts: 14Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
But to answer your question: I am not aware of a definitive answer either. There are a bunch of lab studies reporting what happens on the molecular level, but that doesn't necessarily translate into real life outcomes, and I imagine it will be tricky to get an accurate estimate from epidemiological studies because of the survivor bias, for one. The vaccine doesn't kill you, but the virus may well do so. If you had a virus that would kill people unless they were Superman, then comparing outcomes between vaccinated and previously infected would likely show much better outcomes for the previously infected, because they are all like Superman. You don't have to be Superman to survive a SARS-CoV-2 infection, but it tends to kill the most vulnerable, so the survivors on average are younger, fitter, etc.
There is of course the infamous study from Israel our buddy Elvis was peddling, where the authors found that vaccinated people had a 13-fold increase in infection risk compared to people with a previous natural infection, and the odds of hospitalization were eight times higher (no joke). However, anyone who knows a bit about the field and looks at it for five minutes sees more red flags in this short pre-print than you see in Havana on May Day. There mere fact that the levels of a factor they matched on showed odds ratios of 161 (with upper confidence interval bound of 1300!) did not stop them at all ploughing forward. The study design and approach were so deeply flawed it would have been funny, except for all the nonsense being propagated.
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10-21-21 01:43 #1890
Posts: 1770Originally Posted by Ptrbrgr [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Ptrbrgr [View Original Post]
Polio –99% effective, 18+ years.
Measles –96% effective, lifelong.
COVID – 39-47%, 5 minutes. Whoops! . 5 months.
No case of polio has originated in USA since the 1970's bcos the virus HAS been eliminated in the USA bcos the vas was so highly effective! 99% compared to 40%-ish. The virus WAS prevented from circulating, whereas COVID will not. COVID will always find new hosts unless pharma can get the long term effectiveness much higher. It is not the case right now. Note also: that WHO refuses vaccine licenses if the efficacy is below 50% . I wonder what the future holds for the current Pfizer vaccine.
Originally Posted by Ptrbrgr [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Ptrbrgr [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Ptrbrgr [View Original Post]
It also ignores other things that people can do in being effective against infection. I have seen studies that show vegans and vegetarians have 70% better COVID outcomes. So can I claim that everyone that eats meat is selfish bcos they present a higher risk to the non-vaxd? No. That road is a very complicated one to travel with many on and off ramps. But I don't see a rational difference between claiming non-vaxd are immoral whereas meat eaters are not.
Originally Posted by Ptrbrgr [View Original Post]
And I am sick of hearing this "shaming" attitude by pro-vaxers that think they are saving the world, when there is clearly a whole lot missing from that line of thinking.
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10-20-21 23:09 #1889
Posts: 749Originally Posted by JjBee62 [View Original Post]
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10-20-21 13:02 #1888
Posts: 749Originally Posted by Villainy [View Original Post]
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10-20-21 07:42 #1887
Posts: 5446Originally Posted by Villainy [View Original Post]
First, who hands out business cards to people who they don't want to contact them through the information on the card? You give them your WhatsApp and that's all they need. That's like giving your home address to a streetwalker.
The other head scratcher is how mentioning you met someone compromises their anonymity. I'd I post that I met you for lunch, we're both still just anonymous posters. Even if I name the restaurant it's no help for anyone to identify either of us.
"A couple of days ago 2 gringos ate here. One was Jjbee62 and the other was Villainy. Can you give me their full names, addresses, phone numbers and passport numbers? Did they at least leave business cards?
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10-20-21 02:42 #1886
Posts: 14Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
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10-20-21 02:36 #1885
Posts: 14Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
You say the purpose of your post was to convey that the vaccine will not prevent the continued circulation of the virus, and I do not have an issue with that statement. We do not know this for sure, but I agree the evidence points that way. But I also think this is not the right dichotomy to look at. With the exception of smallpox, no virus affecting humans has ever been eradicated. All others, including highly contagious ones such as polio and measles, are still with us and circulating. But we don't worry much about polio and measles in our day to day lives. Why? Because there are effective vaccines, almost everybody is vaccinated, the virus has a terrible time finding a new host, and that led to a very low prevalence in the population.
For SARS-CoV-2 to keep circulating it needs to find new hosts, and the new hosts have to be pass it on to the next person. We agree that vaccinated people are less likely to get infected than the unvaccinated (that was the effectiveness piece you cited). We also know that vaccinated people with breakthrough infections are less likely to transmit the virus to other people (that was one of the pieces missing in the story). We don't see a big difference in maximum viral load between those groups, but viral load declines much faster in vaccinated people, and they are contagious for a shorter time. Taken together, this means it is much less likely that a vaccinated person becomes part of the infection chain than an unvaccinated person. If everybody got vaccinated, the virus most likely would still be circulating as you say, but it would do so at much lower levels.
Nobody will be able to tell you exactly how big that difference is, and things are changing all the time anyways. Antibodies waning is a concern, as you noted. The results of another study in Puerto Rico were posted yesterday, and those numbers corroborate what you saw in the Lancet paper. On the other hand, the data that came out a few days ago about switching vaccines for the booster shot look fantastic. Pfizer / BioNTech have already developed a vaccine that targets the full spike protein of the more contagious delta variant. And the paper you cited shows that in contrast to infection, there has not been a noticeable decrease in effectiveness as far as people getting clinically ill is concerned. The Puerto Rico paper also compared death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated. Instead of 2,096 deaths they would have expected if the rates were the same in both groups, they only saw 167 deaths in the vaccinated. So it is not a stretch at all to say we could push the numbers in the US to well under 100 deaths a day if everybody went with the program. You might say this still sounds like a lot, and it is. But for perspective, there are about 100 deaths in car crashes every day in the US. And people usually don't fret when they drive, because we have accepted this rate as an acceptable risk of daily life.
So in my opinion, the target is not 'no virus circulating', but being able to put a lid on the numbers and get back to something that resembles normal life. And the evidence is strong that this is possible (and might require annual booster shots, as you say).
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10-20-21 00:53 #1884
Posts: 649Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
So let's round it to 20 million. We'll meet at an arranged place. We'll pick a board member not connected to me. He will be the arbiter. All you have to do to take my 20 million pesos is show up with your passport and demonstrate that you've been to the places you've claimed. If your passport doesn't show those trips you lose. If it does, I lose. Pretty easy bet for you to win, kiddo.
Oh and you're right you can tell a lot about people by who they hang with. In your case no one spends any time with you on all your make-believe travels so I guess that makes you a loner who has no friends or perhaps even more likely a teenager want to-be who hasn't be outside his momma's house. C'mon. Big boy. Easy money waiting for you. Prove to everyone on the board that you are not just a bag of hot wind like everyone thinks.
Now I'll wait for the ass-licking comments that seem to be your go-to response.
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10-19-21 20:01 #1883
Posts: 2579My sincerest apologies
Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
No offense was intended, again I offer my global apology to them all.
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10-19-21 19:16 #1882
Posts: 2579Stop projecting scumbag
Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
You on the other hand were IMing me to warn me about visiting MDE and getting kidnapped for ransom and / or forced to make indefinite daily ATM runs jajajajaaaaaa.
You are the biggest loser on ISG to do shit like that, I would think that would get someone banned? So tell us scumbag how many members have you steered away from MDE doing that?
I guess the admin could read your PMs and find out?
Caught posting a gringas fotos? WTF are you talking about, are you another alcoholic?
What I did do is googled images for Pargue Arvi gondolla to show scumbag JJquasimodo that you can see thru the windows on them and that there are cams atop the.
Poles you lame little turd, you have nothing to attack me with so just make shit up just like JJscumbag virus spreader his butt buddy V, and scaryselfharmingthoughts.
The 4 of you scumbags have nothing to attack except making shit up like a grade schooler!! LMAO how pathetic.
You do the same thing with Elvis, how lame.
You sound like that retarded Blk atty from Seinfeld.
There was a saying whilst I was growing up in Chicago in the 1970's.
If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance then at least baffle them with BULLSHIT.
You must copy JJ the scumbag virus super spreader.
He does the same lame shit just makes up shit people didn't even say or post like he did with Elvis and try to.
Tangle them up with nonsense you are a total piece of shit.
I don't know who is worse you or him.
I can't believe the admin hasn't banned you for writing what you did to me.
This website is meant to encourage the sharing of info to strengthen the hobby.
You are the antithesis of that purpose.
You are fighting against the reason the website exists.
Anyone reading needs to know you are a vile scumbag and not to trust a fucking word he tells you in PM or in person!
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10-19-21 18:56 #1881
Posts: 3202Originally Posted by Ptrbrgr [View Original Post]
Looking at the vaccine data is like looking at the lockdown data in Colombia and Peru. Those countries locked down hard core, and Peru in particular had the highest death rate per capita, and it looked to me that all these hard core lockdowns did was lead to misery, death, and economic destructiveness, a finding confirmed by a Stanford study. The irony is the Stanford study could not find a developed nation that did nothing. Sweden came the closest to doing nothing and had similar outcomes to other nations studied and so the Stanford study showed that minimal Covid intervention was as good as full lockdowns.
And so here we go again. Israel had the highest vaccinated rate in the world and the highest per capita number with Covid. Two other countries, the USA and UK, are heavily vaccinated and have huge numbers of cases. The only thing that makes sense to me is the vaccine is causing disease.
But this goes against what was happening in Peru. Lockdowns work I was told and when I mentioned Peru, a paper was written by a bunch of Yale yahoos who said Peru sucks. Okay, I said but wasn't that known before Covid? And how about Colombia? There was never a good explanation given for the data Colombia and Peru had outside of the fact that lockdowns do not work.
So you are saying that we need context, we need to understand that % effectiveness is not the only way to go, and I see this is the same crap being spewed all over again. It is just now that the unvaxxed suck versus the Peruvians suck because people want to hold onto the notion that being vaxxed, like wearing a mask, like covering the hands with antibacterial goo makes them virtuous, and they care about Covid, their fellow man, and are superior even if they are not. You are not going to tell those people that such interventions are fruitless.
Time and again I see people go to other countries and see people masked outside and say "This country takes Covid way more seriously than the USA" when in fact "taking things seriously" and spreading disease IMO has never been shown to correlate. Show me a study that outdoor masking works.
Yeah, the vaccines worked great early on, and their fall from grace was completely predictable and maybe just maybe the notion that "I am vaxxed and therefore am safe" may be driving this latest wave of Covid infections.
Hey, I got making the vaccines mandatory early on. They were that great but now? Can you prove to me they even work given the latest data? Because I sure as hell do not see it.
All I see is the same bullshit I saw about lockdowns and Colombia and Peru. Lockdowns work. The vaccine works, and Elvis, you can take the data that shows it does not and go fuck yourself.
That is fine, but you do not dare call ignoring the data "science". It is politics. And this notion that "jobs come back while lives never do" is looking dumber and dumber every day now. All I see is a whole lot of lives lost and completely unnecessary economic carnage.
Paying people not to work, going into massive debt, stay home and stay safe, closing down gyms, is anyone going to own this stupidity now? Or are we just going to listen to the same fools as spouted off this other crap before?
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10-19-21 18:47 #1880
Posts: 1770Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8209444/
It says that death rate of people with conditions is 4 times higher than that without. Interestingly it also show the risk of men is almost twice as high as for women. This is based on confirmed cases only.
Gupta. Yeah I saw that. It was an amazing interview. Another dishonest and lying prominent health expert. That's all we need.
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10-19-21 17:49 #1879
Posts: 15905Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
This info is not put out the same as Mr. Carlson did not put out that particular info on Mr. Powell. So there appears to be more than one fuckface that is holding information back that would otherwise help people make an educated or informed decision for themselves.
Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
Reminds me when I was in the Navy and we would enjoy a refreshing beverage called bug juice. It was the same thing that was used as a brass cleaner. Ships full of sailors drinking brass cleaner. The Navy must be full of stupid fuckfaces.
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10-19-21 17:13 #1878
Posts: 39I said this a month or so again. Updates
First, I began my journey in the land of eternal spring in 2009-2010. I have been here longer than most people. I do not post much but I can tell you newbies, to please not read or trust the writings of the person mentioned below. This is not how you should act in Medellin, not back then and not now.
I love Medellin for so many reasons. The women here are superficial, for sure. It becomes worse each year. But the weather, infrastructure, beauty of the women, mountains, short distance to so many natural areas, makes this one of the best places to visit. Not to mention its a short distance from Washington, DC. Now, I been to Brazil, I been to Germany, and all of EU. I been to Asia. I been all over. Is Medellin perfect, of course not. But each year we are complaining about something else.
Are you looking for love in Medellin? Chances are you won't find it unless you get outside the monger scene totally. Even then you will have to deal with paisa innate nature. It can be done, I've seen it first hand many of times. If you are mongering, there are so many options here, there is no reason to feel bad. Are prices going up. Yes. Why? Because there is actual inflation, there is a shortage of money, these women need money, and certain mongers who are willing to pay a bit more for good service. I have been here since August now, and I have no one flake on me yet from Facebook or otherwise. I have flaked because I didn't feel like meeting up sometime.
OK on to my report, La Isla has been trash to me. I don't know how people find these amazing women there. Don't go on Monday or Saturday is my advice. I have found in a previous trip, an amazing beautiful Colombiana, I am talking about Sofia Vegara (younger) level. She was brand new, wearing a red dress, I was standing at the bar and took her right away. Since then, I have had little to no luck finding anything worthy at La Isla. Fase Dos is much better for me. The guys there all know me and treat me well. The women there are more chill and you can find something if you want. I did notice they are starting to not like you getting their numbers, you have to be more discrete. The Vennies especially don't want to give their # in front of any bartender.
I went to that casa a lot of people talk about with the bar in Centro (Zandalay I believe). That did not disappoint. There were only 4 or 5 girls, but 3 were bangable. One was stunning, but she was taken by the guy at the bar. When me and my boy walked in, he quickly finished his beer and went out and grabbed her. Good idea cause we def would have taken her. Andrea a Vennie is very good.
Seeking Arrangements is great, and can lead to some amazing women + lays. I am talking to a girl who has visited USA right now, speaks English and its much more GFE than anything else.
If you want some regular girls, go to the malls. Some women working can be straight up bitchy but others are amazing and very easy to get #s from.
Bumble is working well here too. More and more Medellin women are joining. Of course with that, prepagos are joining as well but nothing near the level of Tinder. Speaking of Tinder, there is a 20 year old ring going on around Sabaneta, with girls forming a chica network. You will notice them with small amount of IG pictures (just enough) and also they all take pics at the same locales ie their one trip to Cartagena. I am unsure how innocent this network is. I am hoping its just a network of 20 year olds just trying to get some money for school. I have run into these networks before through various means, and it was finding a goldmine. One chick I regularly see (not a prepago or at least not the traditional type), has joined a webcam company. She has become too busy and w / my work schedule it doesn't work out but she is extremely hot. I am hoping to get the new version of her with this new network.
I'll keep you update but remember, mongering doesn't mean exploration. Mongering does not mean you have to brag and think you are better than others. Mongering doesn't mean if you didn't write about it, it didn't happen. Mongering doesn't mean you have to try to 1 up someone else. Those types of mongers are the ones you do not want to be, and I have never seen any of those actually happy. They think they're happy, but they are not. They mask their sadness and loneliness with a lot of sex that for most people would get boring and non-fufilling. It becomes an addiction to them. Don't be like these people. Learn to live in balance. Have fun and be safe.
Originally Posted by Culture [View Original Post]
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10-19-21 16:58 #1877
Posts: 1770Originally Posted by Ptrbrgr [View Original Post]
I understand well what effectiveness means. In this context it is describiing the effectiveness of the vaccine against infection. The Pfizer vax is only 47% effective against infection after 5 months. This is clearly greater than zero, but a lot less than the 88% that it started at. It says nothing about the long term ability of the vax to prevent serious illness or death.
My purpose in posting that link was to show that the vax will not prevent the spread and continued circulation of the virus, even in fully vaccinated regions. We hear every day on the news "Get vaccinated bcos this is the only way we can prevent the spread of the virus and prevent new variants from appearring". And "if you do not get vaccinated, you are causing the virus the mutate". These claims are simply false. The vax gives some protection to the vaccinated. And will help avoid short term emergency overloads at hospitals. The vax will not prevent new variants from appearring and further vaccines being required (should you choose to follow that route).