Seeking Arrangements

[Midwestern]

Tell us how you did!

Just a quick up on the swingers club thing I mentioned a few weeks back. Damn it is much bigger and better than I expected. The one I went to in BA had maybe 10 couples and a few more in the bar area. This one in FL we pull up and there is a line down the block. At least 50 in line. We get in and there are 200 people in the main club area dancing and drinking and another 75 or 100 in the back in various states of sucking and fucking. It's totally classy and well run. Amazing. Who the fuck knew this was possible in pussy prison USA!

[Steve 9696]

Just a quick up on the swingers club thing I mentioned a few weeks back. Damn it is much bigger and better than I expected. The one I went to in BA had maybe 10 couples and a few more in the bar area. This one in FL we pull up and there is a line down the block. At least 50 in line. We get in and there are 200 people in the main club area dancing and drinking and another 75 or 100 in the back in various states of sucking and fucking. It's totally classy and well run. Amazing. Who the fuck knew this was possible in pussy prison USA!

[CgSingh]

Hi,

I'll give it a try; the Japanese condoms and the sexual position Steve suggested.

No, I do not watch porn at all and neither do I masturbate. But, yes, sometimes to have a release I am into DFK and a HJ; I love that if done slowly, sexily and right way. Some girls love this too. Had a couple of nice experiences on this.

Thank you for sharing information on the Vitamin E oils. I will read and see how it could be of use and help to me.

Thanks again.

Steve's Japanese condoms suggestion is a very good idea. I suspect the women will make a high pitch squeal when you enter them like the Japanese porn girls. (That's a joke.) Steve's recommendation to try different sexual position angles is spot on. Some positions increase the friction applied to your penis.

There are a variety of other things than can help.

Cut down on watching porn. Men are highly visually stimulated. Porn can cause overstimulation in the male brain. Less stimulation from porn can help your stimulation with a woman.

Stop masturbating for a week or two before going on a sex trip or SA binge. Try less aggressive ways to masturbate.

Topical Vitamin E oils and other ointments are also believed to help penile sensitivity. These should be applied daily for several weeks before you will see benefits.

I would start reading information on the internet from reputable medical sites. There is a lot out there.

[CgSingh]

Yes, MW, I do wear a condom and I have no issue cuming in it. A few years ago, I did not but once had an infection; so 100% it's always with condom on it. It was a mind issue with me as far as condom was concerned as lost my erection immediately with it but not anymore. It's a sorted issue with me.

Thanks MW for sharing your experience and Wow, 13 times in 8 days; is like he came, he saw and he conquered. Great.

Thanks.

Are you wearing a condom? If so, then this is a common problem. I also have problems cumming in pussy when I am wearing a condom.

But if you're looking for a solution, then I do not know what to tell you.

I actually do not need to cum, since I can do that by myself. I like fucking, which I cannot do by myself, and so fucking someone for a couple of hours without cumming is no problem for me.

I just got back from a business trip. Fucked 13 times in 8 days with 9 different gals. I think I only came once, or maybe it was twice. For the girls, it totally confuses them when I just leave without cumming. They apologize profusely, but I tell them that I'm quite content and very happy. Especially watching them and caressing them as they are blowing me is just so satisfying.

[CgSingh]

Hey Steve,

Many thanks for replying. My apologies for late response to you and others too as had been busy working. I use a Durex condom and yes, I have tried Durex ultra thin; same, it's as good as no rubber on your dick. It's recently launched here and is a massive hit with men. With regards to your suggestion about Okamotos, I'll order and get them too but with Durex ultra thin, It's like man I am fucking bareback. It really is as if nothing on cock.

I am a big big big fan of missionary with tones of DFK and tongue action. If a girl is not into DFK, either my johnny doesn't sing or I lose interest because for me that is the most intimate thing in the entire experience. I will certainly try the position you suggested.

And yeah, Steve, you are right about me focusing on my orgasm.

I do love CIM. Girls have asked me how can I make you cum and then I did release in their mouths. No complaints on that front. I have a couple of them who like giving BJs and can really go long on it in spite of their neck paining but they still persist with it.

Thank you for suggestions and replies.

I have several thoughts here (is anyone surprised? First let me dispel the myth that I can cum many times from fucking. Yes I've had occasion to cum with 5 different girls in 24 hours (twice) but only one of those usually the first or secondbis in pussy. That's because in pussy is usually condoms and condoms suck. Oh and your doctor is full of shit.

So the place to start is get condoms that suck less. In fact if you aren't girthy you can get condoms that are almost not there. Get the Okamoto 01's. These are amazing. You hardly feel they are there. And you can feel her pussy heat if a girl is into you. Only problem is they are super small. Even the large is too tight on me but I am girthy. If you are more regular size get the large and you will be in heaven. You can get them from Allfromjapan if you are outside Japan. Barring the Okamotos I've found Skyn to be good and thin and the girls like the non latex.

[LshRoomer]

Def a ton of work on the front end but the flake rate on the backend should not be as high as LShroomer experienced. Maybe it was just bad luck but I wonder if the girls were the right type and he invested enough. When I travel I invest heavily in chatting with 1-3 girls and make them feel like my girlfriend chatting every night (and part of it is they are willing to invest at this level also). Seems like having 10 girls on the hook and scheduling four for the same date time might send an unintentional signal they are disposable.

I have had 3 local girls flake or try to scam me but literally 20 for 20 in US where I fly in and the meetup happens as planned. Could be pure luck but I'm inclined to believe it's that we are both already "in a mini relationship" when I land. And only clear non-pros are willing to engage at this level, so that is a filter also.

PS maybe its just me but I never schedule two girls for the same time. My approach is to schedule my fave for night 1 and second fave for night 2 and 3rd place for night three (if there is deep enough bench like Vegas). Then repeat with my fave(s) nights 4 and 5.

PPS To be full disclosure I have had an additional 3 where the meetup happened so not a flake but the sex did not. Only one was a true fail where we had mad chemistry and she balked in the room. The other two were early in my journey. One the wrong age range snd a breakfast meet and one that I woulda closed without batting an eye if it was today.

My formula from the school of hard knocks is simple Age 22-26, heavy girlfriend level texting, meetup for dinner and close with sex same night. Never lunch or breakfast. Never just a meet and greet. Always dinner and sex after.

I did notice something very odd in Phoenix. The girls that I landed had a decent sized age spread. They went from 19 - 45 with the average age about 28. I actually assumed that dealing with an older SB might make the dealings more solid (less flaky). I intentionally didn't text them too hard during the time that I was away in order not to seem like a bullshitter. That may have backfired a bit, as it took away that boyfriend prep feeling that Steve talked about. I agree that the heavy texting works to get them accustomed to the idea of you and at that point, a date feels a bit more normal.

Phoenix was bad, but screw it, it's all part of it. Some you bang, some you don't. My flake rate was abnormally high, but maybe the stars just didn't align or something. I used a different tactic this time as well, which I think probably put too much time between pulling them off of SA and actually meeting them in person. Usually that process takes about 10 days. You are fresh, they like you, and they are willing to meet. In this case, it was more than 30 days and even with texting, things probably just got stale. Lessons learned.

I don't mind scheduling 2 girls on the same night. I did 4 in this case because I saw the flake happening before I even landed. LOL.

Two girls at different times in one night gives me options to potentially call an audible if things are just not going well. The good thing is that I haven't had many girls that I didn't' click with once we hung out. I'm prepping to hit Madrid again in 2 weeks and I have one super solid SB that I've already banged, so I'll cement the relationship a bit more. The italian girl has been very responsive, so I need to officially meet her (I'm surprised she kept in contact this long). She told me that she moved to Madrid (instead of the outskirts), so she has more time now. I'm looking forward to adding her to my list, seriously. The heavy texting will begin in about a week or so and we'll see what happens.

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[Midwestern]

For the first meet, the flake rate is very high indeed. For me, maybe it was about 80%, with most of them being last minute cancellations. Sometimes they just did not show up, but that was kind of rare. Some would cancel well in advance, but that was also rare.

I won't go into all the reasons why the flaking happens, but just expect it.

Therefore, (1) don't book a hotel room in advance on a first date, and (2) have a backup plan.

I don't know how many times I drove over an hour for a first date, only to be flaked on and then stuck with a paid-for hotel room.

Eventually, I chose meeting places that I wanted to check out anyway. So, when the date flaked, I at least got to check out a new bar or new neighborhood.

Also, for the first date, I stopped doing dinners. For me, they were hit or miss, and when they were a miss, then I was stuck on a boring date for two painful hours. That said, when the dinner date was going well, it went very well. So, totally hit or miss, and given the misses, I stopped doing dinner dates as a first date.

For the second dates, the flake rate was almost zero for me, and I assume similar for you guys.

As for flying SA girls to meet me somewhere, I only did it twice, and both times they showed up. However, this was only after we were seeing each other. I would never fly a girl into town for a first date. Many girls say they are willing to do that, but I never took the chance.

Anyway, my attitude for first dates with an SA gal was to not have high expectations. You might then ask why I bothered. That is because there were the occassional pleasant surprises, and that made all the time and work worthwhile.

[IndianDom]

Laredo is the best.

Great advice as always. I have adopted many of the same strategies. In the states I would never meet a girl during the day, it will be a total waste of time. Either they will be on the phone all the time or I will be. Now in Russia and Mexico I do meet girls all the time during the day and no issues.

[DramaFree11]

I know u know all this DF but for the Newbies and experimenters

There are lots of pluses for doing dinner and pushing for the SNL (single night lay). Even tho I do it because I've found it most effective I think there are clear reasons it's more effective.

1. Dinner is more relaxed and intimate and romantic.

2. You are both drinking. Beer goggles work both directions.

3. If you let her think overnight then in the light of day this old guy idea might not seem too good. But once you have fucked and she enjoys it and is comfortable w you then you are in for good.

Yep, this is the only way. Once you both relax you can enjoy a great night, who know what might happen.

I had a couple of girls say I have 2 your, for example 1-3 pm. I would reply politely, no. I can only meet for dinner or drinks because of my work schedule.

[Steve 9696]

Great advice as always. I have adopted many of the same strategies. In the states I would never meet a girl during the day, it will be a total waste of time. Either they will be on the phone all the time or I will be. Now in Russia and Mexico I do meet girls all the time during the day and no issues.

I know u know all this DF but for the Newbies and experimenters…

There are lots of pluses for doing dinner and pushing for the SNL (single night lay). Even tho I do it because I've found it most effective I think there are clear reasons it's more effective.

1. Dinner is more relaxed and intimate and romantic.

2. You are both drinking. Beer goggles work both directions.

3. If you let her think overnight then in the light of day this old guy idea might not seem too good. But once you have fucked and she enjoys it and is comfortable w you then you are in for good.

[DramaFree11]

Def a ton of work on the front end but the flake rate on the backend should not be as high as LShroomer experienced. Maybe it was just bad luck but I wonder if the girls were the right type and he invested enough. When I travel I invest heavily in chatting with 1-3 girls and make them feel like my girlfriend chatting every night (and part of it is they are willing to invest at this level also). Seems like having 10 girls on the hook and scheduling four for the same date time might send an unintentional signal they are disposable.

I have had 3 local girls flake or try to scam me but literally 20 for 20 in US where I fly in and the meetup happens as planned. Could be pure luck but I'm inclined to believe it's that we are both already "in a mini relationship" when I land. And only clear non-pros are willing to engage at this level, so that is a filter also.

PS maybe its just me but I never schedule two girls for the same time. My approach is to schedule my fave for night 1 and second fave for night 2 and 3rd place for night three (if there is deep enough bench like Vegas). Then repeat with my fave(s) nights 4 and 5..

Great advice as always. I have adopted many of the same strategies. In the states I would never meet a girl during the day, it will be a total waste of time. Either they will be on the phone all the time or I will be. Now in Russia and Mexico I do meet girls all the time during the day and no issues.

[Steve 9696]

Yes, I agree. M. Boy tends to leave out details and complains a lot. I have talked about my failures many times, so have most of the guys. I do not think anyone says it is easy in the states.

Def a ton of work on the front end but the flake rate on the backend should not be as high as LShroomer experienced. Maybe it was just bad luck but I wonder if the girls were the right type and he invested enough. When I travel I invest heavily in chatting with 1-3 girls and make them feel like my girlfriend chatting every night (and part of it is they are willing to invest at this level also). Seems like having 10 girls on the hook and scheduling four for the same date time might send an unintentional signal they are disposable.

I have had 3 local girls flake or try to scam me but literally 20 for 20 in US where I fly in and the meetup happens as planned. Could be pure luck but I'm inclined to believe it's that we are both already "in a mini relationship" when I land. And only clear non-pros are willing to engage at this level, so that is a filter also.

PS maybe its just me but I never schedule two girls for the same time. My approach is to schedule my fave for night 1 and second fave for night 2 and 3rd place for night three (if there is deep enough bench like Vegas). Then repeat with my fave(s) nights 4 and 5.

PPS To be full disclosure I have had an additional 3 where the meetup happened so not a flake but the sex did not. Only one was a true fail where we had mad chemistry and she balked in the room. The other two were early in my journey. One the wrong age range snd a breakfast meet and one that I woulda closed without batting an eye if it was today.

My formula from the school of hard knocks is simple — Age 22-26, heavy girlfriend level texting, meetup for dinner and close with sex same night. Never lunch or breakfast. Never just a meet and greet. Always dinner and sex after.

[DramaFree11]

I think everyone on here has been honest about how DIFFICULT it is to get a good SA date, especially in the USA. I recently stated this in an earlier report:

"When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exagerration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand, and met about a hundred. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs. ".

So, I averaged about one good SB per month. If you are scoring two dates per week, then you are doing better than most of us.

Yes, I agree. M. Boy tends to leave out details and complains a lot. I have talked about my failures many times, so have most of the guys. I do not think anyone says it is easy in the states.

[Midwestern]

I have been flaked on countless number of times, in Medellin, Bogota, Rio, CDMX. I was always wondering how other guys manage to fuck so many girls in a short period of time. I simply can't, even if I wanted to. I consider myself lucky if I score 2 dates per week (even with repeat girls). I rarely see negative reports here, most of them are indeed rainbows and unicorns. Thanks for sharing!

I think everyone on here has been honest about how DIFFICULT it is to get a good SA date, especially in the USA. I recently stated this in an earlier report:

"When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent at least 20 hours each week on the website. No exagerration. During a 20 month period, I probably contacted five to ten thousand gals, conversed with one or two thousand, and met about a hundred. I eventually had relations with about two dozen SBs. ".

So, I averaged about one good SB per month. If you are scoring two dates per week, then you are doing better than most of us.

[Steve 9696]

Damn that is a nice solution. My SB is pushing for earlier times. A cheaper day rate is nice. The problem I have faced is that hotels lack cleaning staff. Thus the room may be available but not cleaned. I guess you have to put up with the looks of the staff since they probably know exactly what is going on. I text my SB the room number and we try not to be seen together.

Oh absolutely the hotel staff have seen it all before. And yes day use rooms kinda have one purpose. LOL. But def get used to some of the side eye particularly in restaurants. Harder for the girl than me because I couldn't give two fucks what some repressed geezer lady thinks. But I'm amazed at how some of the girls just totally ignore it.

Like Kayla wears nearly see thru dresses and no bra with her DCups. And damn Uma was wearing a short leather skirt and some fuck me boots and showing a ton of her double DDs and here she is sitting across from me chatting amiably as some matron looks on. They are both black and the way they are dressed there is no mistaking it for the daddy daughter dance. But they just rock on and don't give a fuck either. I think Uma in particular has complete confidence. Sexy black woman soon to be a doctor. She knows she stands out in a crowd.