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10-29-21 10:58 #21936
Posts: 34Everything was better 15 years ago
Originally Posted by YummyPL [View Original Post]
Everything was better 15 years ago. Your dick worked better, you had more energy, you could party till morning without heavy hangover that makes you want to die.
Kyiv is still number one or maybe 2 in Europe for quality / price ratio.
As one of my Ukrainian Ex's told.
"There are no girls who do not suck dick. There are men who never get their dick sucked. ".
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10-29-21 08:06 #21935
Posts: 1953Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
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10-29-21 07:34 #21934
Posts: 499Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
I have done a lot of P4P in Germany, and other than the ease of convenience, the girls in Kiev are just as attractive (maybe only 6's will fuck you but I get better), most I have been with provide far better GFE, and most I have been with are a lot less expensive for what I want. I have mongered less often in the UK, Spain, Italy, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Greece, Russia, and other places in Europe and find the quality/price ratio for P4P for what I want to be better in Kiev. If I had a choice, I'd probably choose Russia over Ukraine to live but not necessarily for P4P. For P4P I would choose Kiev over any other place I have been in western Europe.
P4P in Philippines and Thailand has declined just as sharply as Kiev. And I am not particularly interested in these girls. I don't have experience in Africa. I have done a lot of reading and the only destination that looks really appealing to me right now is Colombia. From what friends tell me, the quality/value ratio for what I like is excellent.
My normal thing is to do 5000 UAH for 3 hours for very deep GFE including everything. The girls I see repeatedly are certainly better than 6's. 5000 may be expensive to some, but I can't get this price/service ratio in Western Europe, and I have been challenged to find it in other countries in Central and Eastern Europe. I Kiev I have some good experiences for less than $100 and some exceptional experiences for less than $200. I am old and not very attractive, but I do well here. Maybe you should look at yourself to determine why girls won't fuck you. Maybe it is your consistently shitty attitude.
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10-28-21 21:13 #21933
Posts: 2821Originally Posted by YummyPL [View Original Post]
As others mentioned you could find a party every night of the week, now not even Fridays.
You can find cheap girls in Ukraine, but this will take, a lot of work, time and money. Under $100, even $200, you will probably be very disappointed. I am banging way better looking girls then I was in Kiev, not even close, so there are still beautiful girls all over the world. You probably will not find hot girls in Kiev, unless you are working there or living there full time, even then you will probably top out at a 6.
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10-28-21 20:37 #21932
Posts: 499Originally Posted by Jahan [View Original Post]
You know in a place like Frankfurt, Germany, if you go to an erotic massage place they will charge you 120 Euros an hour for a mediocre massage and a hand job. They are not prostitutes. Why would you go to such a place to find a girl to fuck?
Two weeks before this post you said you had not been to Kiev since before COVID and would be going soon and in this post you said you were there last month. Hmmmm.
Agency girls can be expensive for anything but the most basic services. That is a fact in Kiev. But if all you care about is fucking, there are plenty of girls that you can get for 2000 for an hourthey will be hit or miss for attractiveness. But really, everybody's taste is different so who is to say that I wouldn't think your taste was bad and you wouldn't think my taste is bad? But $75 an hour is far cheaper than almost any escort service in Europe. Cheaper than RLD in Germany. Far cheaper than FKK. Some guys like agencies or apartments. It is not my thing. And to lament that Kiev is not like the 80's, or 90's, or 2000's is not very constructive. There are very few mongering destinations in the world that are anywhere near as good as they were 15 years ago. Times move on. Kiev is a good value if you know how to look.
I don't know what website you are describing, but I get a free membership at Mamba and never pay for any services. Yes, you are right, you can't contact a girl if you are not in their preferred age range. But maybe 19 year old Sveta doesn't want to fuck 50 year old Bob. Mamba takes work, but you can find very good girls there for a very good value compared to the rest of Europe. You are never required to spend money on Mamba and I doubt any of the paid services are worth it.
Kiev is not what it was 15 years ago. But nowhere else is either. Ukraine is not stuck in time. The girls have opportunities. The internet has both opened up possibilities and ruined many things. Kiev is a known sex destination with very loose rule-of-law. Of course there are people that will take advantage of stupid people that can't think.
Kiev is also full of very good opportunities. Lots of very good girls that give absolutely awesome GFE for very affordable prices compared to the rest of Europe. Would I prefer to be somewhere else? Maybe. Do I think Kiev is still an above average destination for P4 P? Absolutely!
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10-21-21 17:54 #21931
Posts: 2821Originally Posted by Jahan [View Original Post]
Now I here guys talk about scams as a normal event. It is not, and definitely not normal, but some guys in Ukraine think it is, "Okay".
The only way to be successful in Kiev is the Ground Game and good luck with that. Now if you work there and have local contacts, then it is different story.
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10-21-21 11:06 #21930
Posts: 13Kiev. Past and Now
Dear fellow Hunters,
First of all I would like to thank Jimbo5 for his excellent report. Very helpful indeed shedding the light on the actual situation.
Me personally, I have been to Kiev many times, started visits probably 8 years ago. Before Covid I went every second month.
I had good and bad experiences in Kiev (met cute girls and had great sex, girls came and used fake photos, wasted my time.)
Bottom line: I haven't been back to Kiev since Covid and was longing to go back badly. Feel the city vibe, see my favourite places (Bars, Restaurants, Strip clubs.).
Luckily I still have some contacts and hope they will still provide the the known services.
Like everything and everywhere in the world, Prices are not what they used to be. So why should the GFE in Kiev still cost the same as it did 15-20 years ago?
Why should the people in Ukraine accept to be stuck on their status quo and not try to improve their quality of life?
It's just how the world turns.
I was in Dubai last week and many beautiful girls from all over the world go there:
1) Expo.
2) Weather.
3) Money (1 h is easily $ 200-300).
In Germany, if you want a true GFE, your best chance IMHO is Escort Service where girls charge 200-300 EUR / hour.
Sure, you can find girls for 130-150/ hour in a brothel or club, but bear in mind you're just one of the guys that day / week. I wouldn't expect a true GFE from them.
In summary: I am looking forward to my trip to Kiev because I missed it. I am ready to accept the changes that have become the normality and I am not going just for the hobby, but also to experience the city.
And if you don't, you are free to choose to go somewhere else. To treasure memories of the past is good, but we all need to realize and accept the facts of what's happening today.
I'll be in Kiev in the last week of Nov. Will report afterwards.
If someone wants to meet up for a drink or hunting, just get in touch.
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10-21-21 08:23 #21929
Posts: 3Finally some words of truth.
Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
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10-20-21 19:24 #21928
Posts: 74Originally Posted by Misterxxx [View Original Post]
P.S.- I was in touch with 2 scam girls previously mentioned by member here that operate out of the scam restaurant in Pechersk district. Watch out guys! Thanks for the heads up dude.
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10-20-21 14:33 #21927
Posts: 2821Originally Posted by Misterxxx [View Original Post]
You and I are living in the future. Some of the other guys are portraying a Kiev that does not exist. Sorry it just does not. There are girls, but most are very young and have little to no interest in older Foreign Guys.
Too travel long distances to not have girlfriend experience makes no sense.
You are correct there is zero nightlife. I remember most nights, with the exception of Friday the city would be empty at 10 pm. Even Friday nights the clubs would be horrible. I remember many nights were there would be a ratio of 15 guys to one girl. Those are impossible odds.
Sumner is a little different, but many leave the city for the beaches and villages. Sorry, Guys claiming see. Club is option are wrong. If you do not believe go check it out, you will be really disappointed.
Again, the guys that post now, do a great job of describing the real Kiev. The truth is slowly coming out about Ukraine.
Girls, yes. Very average and not cheap. Girlfriend experience does not exist now. Zero nightlife and that is being kind. Scams everywhere.
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10-20-21 14:09 #21926
Posts: 220Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
If this were not the case, Kiev would have long been on the list of "bad" cities like Riga, Tallin or Vilnius.
The myth of Kiev is not made up of greedy girls. Girls to trade with. Filing every dollar. Like in the bazaar. And who want extra money for every little extra.
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10-20-21 02:22 #21925
Posts: 625Another October Trip
I'm back in Kyiv for a couple weeks. If anyone is in town and wants to join me on the hunt or just for a beer please PM.
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10-19-21 23:59 #21924
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Jimbo5 [View Original Post]
The most useful report in a few months. I would even say since the pandemy changed the world, and the way girls of Kiev were forced to operate in new reality. And please don't tell me "Nobody cares about COVID in Kiev!" The change is obvious and it is not coincidental, but some things stayed the same. Beautiful young Ukrainian females keep selling their treasures.
Jimbo5, thank you so much for explaining how find goodies of great quality for a fair price.
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10-19-21 23:58 #21923
Posts: 718Originally Posted by Misterxxx [View Original Post]
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10-19-21 12:40 #21922
Posts: 220Originally Posted by Jimbo5 [View Original Post]
Before, you could go to a party in Kiev any day of the week. Disco every evening. And willing girls in every disco. Free or for little money. As a foreigner, you got into every club. There weren't any problems.
There's no party anywhere during the week today. The good locations for the weekend have become few. Many locations only let familiar faces in. As a foreigner, you can usually not get into the top clubs. You need good friends who live in Kiev and have been known there for a long time.
When I read that you received offers for 5000 UAh (almost $ 200). Then only for two hours and without extras, then for most people in this world there is no reason to go to Kiev for sex. For this money you can find women in every city in Europe. In the same class as in Kiev.
Many years ago, Kiev was known for girlfriend sex. You may have paid, but you didn't need to negotiate extras. 9 out of 10 girls fucked without a condom. What you call extras today was always included and completely normal. Mamba was also full of amateur girls. Not professionals.
What you describe and found on Mamba are professional hookers. Or brothels. That's the problem. There are now tons of brothel advertisements. Hiding behind some fake photos. The demands are excessive. And the few amateurs on Mamba are not as beautiful as they were in the old days. Quantity down. Quality down. Prices up. Extreme. Because even girls with a 5 on the 10th scale have their noses way up. And describe themselves as a top shot.
Such price lists with extras are real disruptive factors. If you don't agree everything beforehand and suddenly want to cum in your mouth during sex, how do you do that. ? I also had a girl who said 10 seconds before the final shot: "That costs 1000 UAH extra". And she wanted me to jump up 10 seconds before orgasm, get money out of my suitcase and pay for CIM.
Not to be forgotten: The basic price of these professional hookers only includes the pure act today. Blowing on with a condom. Sex with a condom. Each additional service is charged additionally. Kissing +1000 UAH, licking +1000 UAH, blowing without a condom +1500 UAH. Cumshot in the mouth and face +2000 UAH. No joke. I have often received such a price list from Viber, Telegram and Wup.
"That" is not the Kiev that everyone raved about years ago. And what you are describing is not "the" Kiev that I know from before. If you're from a country where hookers cost $ 500 an hour. Or where there are no hookers at all, then I agree with you. Then Kiev appears like paradise on earth. But $ 200 for 2 hours with a "5"? And not even girlfriend sex? No man has to travel to Kiev to do this. You can find it everywhere in Europe.