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[BbqMushrooms]

Well, they're trying to pass a law (today) which will make advertising escort services illegal in print and online.

Will totally crumble the industry here in Spain, let's see what happens today.

Thanks for sharing. This article goes in depth on the politics behind the move - https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/08...ghts-psoe-vox/.

Very surprising to see a social Democrat do something so stupid. And sad to hear that Spain might be moving backwards on this front even though they are so progressive otherwise.

[Jon32]

Well, they're trying to pass a law (today) which will make advertising escort services illegal in print and online.

Will totally crumble the industry here in Spain, let's see what happens today.

[Kabs3714]

Hi all,

I'm going to be coming into Spain for nine days and traveling the country a bunch for work, in a new city nearly every day. I've been doing some digging and see that my time in Madrid and Barcelona should make for easy work to reach out to agencies the day of (when I'm ready for company in my hotel). I'm trying to get an idea if I should prepare for challenging days to find service while in:

Vigo.

Segovia (looks like it's in the general Madrid area? Will providers make that trip?

Almansa (looks to be outside of Alicante, same thing will providers travel out that far?

Zaragoza.

Ideally I'm looking for outcall to my hotel but as I'll be with coworkers I may just want to venture out if our rooms are nearby. Is it possible to book in advance so I can have my nights locked in? Or is it more of a day of events with these agencies? Also, can I expect some of these girls (with tip of course) to really expand the menu, anal and pornstar action? Or is it pretty straight and to the point? Hoping to tip for extra services and the women to allow me to record. I know it can be a huge no but figure extra cash might help me succeed.

Thanks for all the clarity! I've been using Mileroticos and a couple others as I browse. Any more input would be helpful.

[GuyBrusg1957]

Has anyone moved to Spain temporarily to work as a digital nomad or study remotely? How was it? What's the day-to-day life like?

[Andalus Expat]

https://www.politico.eu/article/sanc...business-psoe/

If I had to guess it won't pass, I hope it doesn't, as this article says the PP, Popular Party would have to support it for that to happen.

I wouldn't be so optimistic. To quote from the article you linked to:

"Eighty percent of women who work in prostitution in Spain do so under coercion after being tricked in their countries of origin by criminal gangs who are dedicated to trafficking human beings," the national police estimate."

That's a downright lie. I know dozens of girls from outside Spain & there's not one of them isn't working here because she wants to. It's why they came here. They fly home & return after their holidays. I've no doubt many others post on the Spain boards could say the same. But it is part of the political priming for the proposed legislation.

And this is all about politics & not common sense. I've been talking with one of our local Vox politicians & the politics aren't good. The problem's the optics. Opposing the legislation puts any politician up for being accused of being in favour of trafficking, coerced prostitution, child prostitution, violence against women & anything else you can think of. So, though you may get a lot of debate in favour of the legislation you may get even more silence against it. Vox are opposed & don't mind saying so & taking the flak. The PP have so far come out as undecided, which basically means sitting on the fence. Podemos are split in favour / opposed. So PSOE could get it through on their 120 votes alone against Vox opposed & other parties either for or abstaining. They don't necessarily need an overall majority.

Doesn't mean Spain won't be worth punting in. But it would be worth learning a little more about the Spanish puta scene other than the location of the nearest puti club, now, if you're intending visiting after the proposed legislation may come into effect. It won't be nearly so easy after.

[Delta Indigo]

https://www.politico.eu/article/sanc...business-psoe/

If I had to guess it won't pass, I hope it doesn't, as this article says the PP, Popular Party would have to support it for that to happen.

[BaltiX]

I did some phoning around, so I can answer some of my own question.

There's half a dozen girls live near me on the CDS have worked in France in the past year. Two of them are up there now. Brazilians, Colombian, Venezuelan. Worked in Paris, Rennes, Nantes, Lyon & Metz (One unfortunate lass. Ghastly place) Two I've asked weren't aware they'd been any change in the law. But they've all been working in houses. Brothels have been illegal in France since the '50's, so all houses have been illicit. Wouldn't make any difference. That they've been working in France indicates they've been earning more than they would here. Considerably more I gather & they seem to be content with the conditions they worked in. I rang a house in Lille I know. (Very discrete. Very luxurious. Not cheap.) Same mobile number working. Obviously I kept the phone conversation away from specifics but sounds like business as usual.

There were the usual street girls offering their services at 8 AM near the market in Toulouse when I passed through in '17. African. Horrible. Viva Street, the internet resource for the desperate, no longer runs pute ads but www.6annonce.com lists quality woman flesh in all the major cities with current ads. French mobile numbers. Interestingly the web domain's registered in Reykjavik, Iceland of all places. Servers probably in the US.

So it looks like it's still possible to punt in France. But France was never tourist punter friendly. I know (or knew) houses in several cities. Several night clubs & bars it was easy to score. But that's from knowing people who knew things. Specific to their lifestyle. If I'd wanted a lead to a good cheap pute I'd have needed to be drinking with the mecs in a backstreet bar..

There is lot of escorts advertising online in France. The best websites are Sexemodel, LadyXenia, and wannonce. French authorities are leaving escorts alone last time I checked, and chance of getting fined by police is very low. I would stay away from streetwalkers.

[Andalus Expat]

I did some phoning around, so I can answer some of my own question.

There's half a dozen girls live near me on the CDS have worked in France in the past year. Two of them are up there now. Brazilians, Colombian, Venezuelan. Worked in Paris, Rennes, Nantes, Lyon & Metz (One unfortunate lass. Ghastly place) Two I've asked weren't aware they'd been any change in the law. But they've all been working in houses. Brothels have been illegal in France since the '50's, so all houses have been illicit. Wouldn't make any difference. That they've been working in France indicates they've been earning more than they would here. Considerably more I gather & they seem to be content with the conditions they worked in. I rang a house in Lille I know. (Very discrete. Very luxurious. Not cheap.) Same mobile number working. Obviously I kept the phone conversation away from specifics but sounds like business as usual.

There were the usual street girls offering their services at 8 AM near the market in Toulouse when I passed through in '17. African. Horrible. Viva Street, the internet resource for the desperate, no longer runs pute ads but www.6annonce.com lists quality woman flesh in all the major cities with current ads. French mobile numbers. Interestingly the web domain's registered in Reykjavik, Iceland of all places. Servers probably in the US.

So it looks like it's still possible to punt in France. But France was never tourist punter friendly. I know (or knew) houses in several cities. Several night clubs & bars it was easy to score. But that's from knowing people who knew things. Specific to their lifestyle. If I'd wanted a lead to a good cheap pute I'd have needed to be drinking with the mecs in a backstreet bar.

So maybe that's what'll happen if the Spanish legislation gets on the books. Those in the know will prosper. Those don't will be locked out.

*Like Spain, French mobile numbers require registration of ID particulars. But again like Spain, it's easy to buy unattributable SIM's if you have the connections.

[Andalus Expat]

Well that's embarrassing. I should have known this. But I sold my French house back in '13 & visits, since, haven't necessitated any searching for prossies. Prostitution was made illegal in the law of 2016 in France. Or rather the same deal as they've been proposing here. They've criminalized the hiring of a prostitute or facilitating prostitution.

So how's that worked out for them?

[The Cane]

Can't see it making a great deal of difference to the girls & clients. The industry will drop below the radar horizon. The cubs will go because they're high profile. Not only the big ones but the small places you'll find in or near any town inland Spain down to village size. That's going to really piss off the Spanish working class because they're an institution that they're big users of. That could cost Sanchez votes. The internet advertising platforms could eventually cross the Atlantic to shelter under the 1st Amendment. Pasion's already Paris based. Can't see the police pursuing enforcement particularly assiduously once the first flurry's out the way. Too many police are punters themselves. Went to a villa a few years back & the head of the local Guardia was sitting in the salon with his arm round a puta & lines of charlie on the table. Prostitution doesn't gather the opprobrium in Spain it does in other countries. The coppers expected to do the enforcing may have a relative is or has been on the game. Know prossies socially.

Something more worrying is financial interdiction. This site itself has had its revenue stream cut off. That's pressure on the banking system by the socially "liberal" authoritarians mentioned in my previous post. It's impossible to run any sort of above the horizon business without access to the payments transmission systems. Clubs, advertising, utility service accounts. And that doesn't require legislation. Just the banks caving in to pressure.

Well one thing's for sure. It will make the clubs versus the independents debate moot. Won't it?

[Andalus Expat]

Can't see it making a great deal of difference to the girls & clients. The industry will drop below the radar horizon. The cubs will go because they're high profile. Not only the big ones but the small places you'll find in or near any town inland Spain down to village size. That's going to really piss off the Spanish working class because they're an institution that they're big users of. That could cost Sanchez votes. The internet advertising platforms could eventually cross the Atlantic to shelter under the 1st Amendment. Pasion's already Paris based. Can't see the police pursuing enforcement particularly assiduously once the first flurry's out the way. Too many police are punters themselves. Went to a villa a few years back & the head of the local Guardia was sitting in the salon with his arm round a puta & lines of charlie on the table. Prostitution doesn't gather the opprobrium in Spain it does in other countries. The coppers expected to do the enforcing may have a relative is or has been on the game. Know prossies socially.

Something more worrying is financial interdiction. This site itself has had its revenue stream cut off. That's pressure on the banking system by the socially "liberal" authoritarians mentioned in my previous post. It's impossible to run any sort of above the horizon business without access to the payments transmission systems. Clubs, advertising, utility service accounts. And that doesn't require legislation. Just the banks caving in to pressure.

[Andalus Expat]

Certainly a subject worth discussing.

Spain's not the only country. It's Europe wide. Already happened in Sweden. Pressure by the socially "liberal" authoritarians. The "you must conform with us & anything we don't like we'll ban" mob. It's not about common sense. It's not about whether this would be better for women or women who are prostitutes. Mostly it's about virtue signaling. The politics of it are tricky. There's votes in being for the legislation. There are no votes in being against the ban, because any politician who sticks his head up to oppose it will be branded in favour of sex slavery, under-age prostitution, rape & anything else you can think of. The best anyone can do is keep their mouth shut & hope it'll go away. Maybe commission a "study" into the matter takes a few years to report. Kick the can down the road & trust the government gets to receive the result of the "study" won't be so beholden to the socially "liberal" authoritarians. If we're not being required to address fat geezers with beards in frocks as senorita, by then. Oh shit! We already are.

[Jon32]

This piece of news has been translated and published almost simultaneously around the globe with the same lack of substance. Nothing about plan or process. But the headline sells.

But yes, it's absolutely cause for concern. Anyone informed about Spanish politics who could comment? Is this just a populist stunt? They have support in parliament to achieve this? Spain is absolutely on top of my list for punter destinations in Europe so I hope not.

From what I understand from browsing the Spain forums and who controls the government (and I most definitely could be wrong because my Spanish is not native), there could possibly be some middle ground achieved.

The government is controlled by the party who wants it, and then you have the femnazis who obviously support it also. The conservative party (PP) and right wing (Vox) is completely against it.

The 'middle' ground we're hoping for is an end to clubs controlled by pimps, Chinese apartments, and trafficking, but they let the independents keep selling (posting classifieds, renting rooms, etc) and us clients won't get fined.

Worst case scenario is what the femnazis want. Outlaw it completely by everyone, everywhere and fine the clients 1000+ euro everytime we get caught with a hooker.

[Henrik83]

Is this the beginning of the end in Spain?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ves-women.html

This piece of news has been translated and published almost simultaneously around the globe with the same lack of substance. Nothing about plan or process. But the headline sells.

But yes, it's absolutely cause for concern. Anyone informed about Spanish politics who could comment? Is this just a populist stunt? They have support in parliament to achieve this? Spain is absolutely on top of my list for punter destinations in Europe so I hope not.

[The Cane]

Is this the beginning of the end in Spain?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ves-women.html