German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Sirioja]

Being a point guard doesn't make one a team leader in basketball. Undisputed team leaders in Charlotte at the time were Alonzo Mourning (Hall of Fame, 7 times All Star and twice defensive player of the year) and Larry Johnson (2 times All Star). Muggsy Bogues didn't get selected in any All Star game, never mind to make it in the NBA Hall of Fame. He was a decent player, he was a starter for a while, but he was never the best player on any team in the NBA. Bringing up Messi or Giresse is completely irrelevant, different sport and different people. I agree that short people are normally better at gymnastics.

Bogues passed balls to tall. Maradona never said he was impressed by Messi when he was impressed by Giresse when both played in 80's, but I agree not same business for football in 80's and Bordeaux is not Barcelona. I didn't write Giresse was better player than Messi, but 163 and stronger kick than Messi, stronger than Platini, Zidane, not meaning better. Same like on bicycle, Champs Elysees or Poggio or Huy, or extreme steep are very different sport, even for best professionals.

[Mr Ho]

Where is the best city to go to fuck Swedish or Danish escort top stunner beauty girl? London?

Definitely not Stockholm as I met a lot of Swedish guys at Artemis LOL.

[Mursenary]

I wrote while dream team, not in dream team. Bogues Charlotte 160 and famous Jordan didn't like him. 15 NBA players with not more than 175. Internet talk, even less than real field.

You're right. We all have heroes.

[PaulInZurich]

Watch on your internet: not told he was leading his team game? Going between tall, giving good balls to others? How many passes? Maybe why not so many points for him, when Jordan wanted all Bulls play only for him and didn't like Scotti Pippen talent. You don't seem to understand much about sports, for sure easier when you are used to sports rather than only watching on TV or internet. I think he was shortest, but other less than 170 played NBA. Messi would be very short, not much more than 160 if Barcelona didn't give him pills. Not sure he would be not so good when we had great player in France, 163 Alain Giresse with stronger kick than Messi. Look on internet RFA vs France in Sevilla 1982, best ever French football team, better than 1998 and 2018.

Being a point guard doesn't make one a team leader in basketball. Undisputed team leaders in Charlotte at the time were Alonzo Mourning (Hall of Fame, 7 times All Star and twice defensive player of the year) and Larry Johnson (2 times All Star). Muggsy Bogues didn't get selected in any All Star game, never mind to make it in the NBA Hall of Fame. He was a decent player, he was a starter for a while, but he was never the best player on any team in the NBA. Bringing up Messi or Giresse is completely irrelevant, different sport and different people. I agree that short people are normally better at gymnastics.

[Deleted by Admin]

[Sirioja]

Clearly just making it in the NBA was an achievement for somebody his size, but he wasn't a "team leader". Career high season was 11 points per game. He was popular because of his size.

Watch on your internet: not told he was leading his team game? Going between tall, giving good balls to others? How many passes? Maybe why not so many points for him, when Jordan wanted all Bulls play only for him and didn't like Scotti Pippen talent. You don't seem to understand much about sports, for sure easier when you are used to sports rather than only watching on TV or internet. I think he was shortest, but other less than 170 played NBA. Messi would be very short, not much more than 160 if Barcelona didn't give him pills. Not sure he would be not so good when we had great player in France, 163 Alain Giresse with stronger kick than Messi. Look on internet RFA vs France in Sevilla 1982, best ever French football team, better than 1998 and 2018.

[PaulInZurich]

Muggsy Bogues was 5'3" inches and played in the NBA.

Clearly just making it in the NBA was an achievement for somebody his size, but he wasn't a "team leader". Career high season was 11 points per game. He was popular because of his size.

[BigBuddy69]

Not a single Dream Teamer was even less than 180 cm.

You're omitting the Shire all stars team, with the Baggins guys, Merry, Pippin and Sam.

They're idolized by vertically challenged delusional people.

[Sirioja]

Not a single Dream Teamer was even less than 180 cm.

I wrote while dream team, not in dream team. Bogues Charlotte 160 and famous Jordan didn't like him. 15 NBA players with not more than 175. Internet talk, even less than real field.

[BobNSuzy]

Damn, I guess I must have mixed him up with another guy. Just googled him, and Abdul-Jabbar is a giant in size.

Muggsy Bogues was 5'3" inches and played in the NBA.

[Mursenary]

I remember on 90's when Barcelona dream team with Jordan Bulls, Magic Johnson Lakers, Charles Barkley Suns, Larry Bird Celtics, there was a NBA team leader who was I think less than 160.

Not a single Dream Teamer was even less than 180 cm.

[McAdonis]

In 2017 17 million people identified as Italian American, 5.5-6%. That's about the same as non Hispanic Asian Americans. Add the 15+% Hispanic, 6% Asian, all the various middle easterners and eastern Europeans and you have at least 1/3 non Anglo and non black Americans. Add that black Americans are about an inch shorter than the average Caucasian American, add all those other non Dutch-Nordic-areas and it would be expected that average American heights would be less than the average Dutch or surrounding nations.

Using 2017 figures, the number of Hispanics and Asians becomes slightly more significant. Again if we say that 180 cm is the average height of White / Black American. I will even round up the combined Latino and Asian Americans to be 35 percent. In order for 35 percent of the population to bring down the population average a full 5 cm down to say 175 cm:

(180*65)+ 35 x = 175*100.

The 35 percent would need to average about 165 cm. I believe the average for Latino and Asian Americans males is about 169 cm. But as I said the 5 cm gap first appeared based on 1960 births, so possibly mid-1980's population as you acknowledge. I would guess that the combined Latino and Asian populations in the mid-1980's was almost certainly under 15 percent at that time.

As late as 1990, USA's immigrant population was a little under 8 percent. Coincidentally, NL's immigrant population in 1990 was also a little less than 8 percent.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...ion-statistics

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/prog...tion-over-time

I would love to see the average height of American born Dutch-Americans. I bet it's within half a centimeter of native Dutch.

I would guess that there are not many Americans of pure Dutch ancestry. There are however South-Africans of almost pure or at least predominantly Dutch ancestry. If you compare White-Afrikaners to White Americans, I would guess that there is significantly more Dutch ancestry in the former. The average height of a White South African male is 176 cm, which is several cm shorter than the White American who probably has very little Dutch ancestry, but more German, Anglo, or Irish ancestry: https://www.medicalbrief.co.za/black...past-30-years/.

[Pistons]

Damn, I guess I must have mixed him up with another guy. Just googled him, and Abdul-Jabbar is a giant in size.

[Pistons]

I remember on 90's when Barcelona dream team with Jordan Bulls, Magic Johnson Lakers, Charles Barkley Suns, Larry Bird Celtics, there was a NBA team leader who was I think less than 160.

Given I remember all those names from when I was very young (NBA today sucks in comparison), I am quite sure the guy you are thinking of was active in the 80's and not in the 90's. And I'm guessing his name was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Since I played with him in some old silly basketball video game back in the days when he had 2 x the speed of all the other players. Completely silly overpowered.

[Sirioja]

I remember on 90's when Barcelona dream team with Jordan Bulls, Magic Johnson Lakers, Charles Barkley Suns, Larry Bird Celtics, there was a NBA team leader who was I think less than 160.

[Mursenary]

Latinos-Asians are not numeric enough to bring down the average much. Despite being 7-10 cm shorter, my guess is that they only bring down the average 1-2 cm. And in the mid-1970's when the NL-to-USA height gap first reached 5 cm, their ability to bring down the average would have been even less.

USA closed the gap by 1.2 cm at roughly the same time the Latino population went from 6 to 18 percent and the Asian population went from 2 to 6 percent. Given the explosive growth of Latinos and Asians, we would have expected the opposite to happen. In other words, the height gap to grow from 4. 9 cm to 5. 9 cm. Dutch have seen non-White immigration over the last few decades, but I would be surprised if it is anywhere near the levels of the USA over the last 30 years. I do not believe "Great Replacement Theory" is anywhere near a concern in NL as it is in the USA. Moreover many of NL's immigrants are from EU or Middle East, or colonies, Black Surinamese for instance, so one would expect that NL would have been more easily been able to hold on or increase their 4. 9 cm height gap..

-Height gap by birth year peaked in 1960 so I think actual height gap peak would manifest closer to 1980's. During the recent US migration wave, Western Euros saw even more immigration proportionally. In the case of the Dutch, 5-10 x more. That's significant.

-Yes Asian-Latino immigration took off a bit after the 1965 repeals. It was heavier in the 80's, and 90's. Then that would be referenced on your birth year graph as men born around 1960, the peak gap in birth year. What happened to the gap in men born in between 1960 and 1970? It narrowed. So these men born in the 1960's would have been the same immigrants who came in the 1980's and 1990's, Asian-Latino surge years.

-Equally important is what happened in NL. Reference previous post regarding lack of immigration into NL in the decades prior to the 1960's. The height gap peaked in men born before 1960, actual manifestation of average height gap probably around 1980. After 1960 was when immigration surplus returned to NL. In short, Dutch Baby Boomers without immigration heavily correlates with the height gap jump.

Let's discuss peak potential considering gene pool:

- NL has been an emigrate nation for the centuries up until second half of the 20th. More homogenous Dutch gene pool until after the 1970's. Therefore baseline of Dutch height shouldn't be considered established until around that time. Americans however saw continuous immigration through the 19th century. Perhaps in 1920 when "undesirable" immigration was reduced should be what we take as the American baseline.

In 2017 17 million people identified as Italian American, 5.5-6%. That's about the same as non Hispanic Asian Americans. Add the 15+% Hispanic, 6% Asian, all the various middle easterners and eastern Europeans and you have at least 1/3 non Anglo and non black Americans. Add that black Americans are about an inch shorter than the average Caucasian American, add all those other non Dutch-Nordic-areas and it would be expected that average American heights would be less than the average Dutch or surrounding nations.

I would love to see the average height of American born Dutch-Americans. I bet it's within half a centimeter of native Dutch.